KInd Attn All and Mr Jforney36

[Monto P2]

Look i have paid u i am not asking for damages.just my money.i have a verified paypal address.I can show my identity to everyone.i can show my drivers license,the pic in my avtaar is with roberto gomez.i play in many tournaments around asia.you will not find a single pool player in india and thailand who dont know me.i have played and represnted india in tokyo 9ball in japan in 2001.
I am not a scamster.I am a pool player and i love pool.

Anything else u want to know i will happy to tell u.

This is a public forum. I am publicaly telling u that once i get my money thru western union i will lift the claim.I think if u pay me back ur reputation willl grow and from ur past record everyone will trust u again.

i am new to this forum but not new to pool.This is a game we all love and treausre

 

[pharaoh68]

I will send money as soon as the claim is lifted from my account and I can do so.. Until then I can't do anything with my account transfers. Your all right this all smells fishy with alot of new monto p2 here lately and this happens. I've happen here for years and I have a great rep and will take care of this but I will not send funds via western union because this doesn't settle the paypal claim.. Sorry I have 2 paypal accounts for problems like this. I will just use my other account and you won't get paid. We can do it the simple way. You lift the claim and I will pay you in 3-4 business days as this is how long it'll take to transfer funds from my bank account to paypal. If you don't want to do it this way when I beleive there is a scam here.

Thanks

Let me see if I got this right. You were selling a cue. You "sold" the cue to two people at the same time and accepted money from both again, at the same time. One person offered you more and Monto said:

"Hey! Why should I deny him the right to get more money for his cue?" rather than saying "We had a deal buddy! Honor it!"

Now, he's out money and you're saying that you refuse to refund the money to him unless he does it on YOUR terms??? How could he be scamming you??? What's he trying to rob you of... HIS money?!?!

I got news for you pal... all the itrader points, rep, and length of membership means nothing to me. You've proved to me here that you are no one I will ever deal with. I've been a member here for 3 years now. I have almost 3,000 posts. I've got rep. upwards for 7,000+ points. And I have bought, sold, and traded MANY cues and cases here, before and after the introduction of itrader.

As someone who has been here a while, you can rest assured I would never deal with you and would urge others to do the same.

 

[our_auctionguy]

I don't normally get involved with these disputes, but after reading all of this, I have to side with JFORNEY36 because he is right not to send western union for the amount being held up by Paypal. That would leave him open to a double hit because Paypal is notorious for withdrawing from the seller's account in a dispute and refunding the buyers payment. If he sends you the money via Western Union, he is wide open to getting zapped by Paypal for the same disputed amount. Also, his crediblity here on AZBilliards is much stronger than yours, regardless of who you are. You have NO history here with sales or contacts of note. I for one would not send a Western Union payment to you or anyone else for a Prior Paypal transaction. That would be STUPID. Drop your demand for Western Union payment, because you are not going to get it. You are wasting valuable time to get paid. It appears that the refund is only going to come to you through Paypal. As for the $270 you say you Western Unioned to JFRONEY36, he says he didn't receive it. That you can track through Western Union and should get documented proof of your claim that he signed for such funds. He disputes receiving it so you need to get your proof together that you sent it and he received it. You are beating a dead horse insisting on payment through Western Union for the total of $1050. Paypal has customer support, so you can email them and ask if JFORNEY36 account is frozen and to release it so you can get paid. Not much else you can do here. I repeat .. you are wasting time demanding Western Union payment. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[snowmon34]

Monto in post # 1 you claim you sent JFORNEY36 paypal funds before Via....In post # 6 JFORNEY36 has openly admitted transfering Monto's paypal funds to his bank acct ( in my opinion once JFORNEY36 transfers Monto's funds to his bank acct...Monto owns the cue). The part that is confusing is Via paid more money for the cue after Monto had already sent JFORNEY36 funds by paypal (of course a case was included). I'm not assuming anything here, but could this be the reason Via got the cue, and Monto didn't?

 

[hangemhigh]

I don't mind reading about this here, but I was checking another, completely unrelated F/S thread and dude posted a link here, saying check this thred out. Now, the thread did not involve either of the two parties here, it seems he just randomly picked a thread to hi-jack and post a link to this one. Strange, to say the least.

 

[traa89]

Say Forney does send the 1000 via western union, all Monto has to do is claim that he never got the cue and he paid through paypal. If Paypal takes Monto's side in that he didnt get the cue that he paid for, he gets his money back. Its a decent scam. Dont send via western union.

 

[Bigjohn]

I'm done with this too. If I can't transfer money to my account becasue he has a claim then he can't get paid. I don't know what part of I"LL TRANSFER THE MONEY TO HIM AS SOON AS THE MONEY HITS MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT WHICH TAKES 3-4 Business days. I have never once said didn't owe him the money.. All he has to do is lift the claim and wait a few days and he'll have the money. End of issue. Ya'll know that if I send him money via mail or western union that still don't satisfiy paypal's claim.

You have to trust him... like he trusted you.

 

[subdude1974]

I don't normally get involved with these disputes, but after reading all of this, I have to side with JFORNEY36 because he is right not to send western union for the amount being held up by Paypal. That would leave him open to a double hit because Paypal is notorious for withdrawing from the seller's account in a dispute and refunding the buyers payment. If he sends you the money via Western Union, he is wide open to getting zapped by Paypal for the same disputed amount. Also, his crediblity here on AZBilliards is much stronger than yours, regardless of who you are. You have NO history here with sales or contacts of note. I for one would not send a Western Union payment to you or anyone else for a Prior Paypal transaction. That would be STUPID. Drop your demand for Western Union payment, because you are not going to get it. You are wasting valuable time to get paid. It appears that the refund is only going to come to you through Paypal. As for the $270 you say you Western Unioned to JFRONEY36, he says he didn't receive it. That you can track through Western Union and should get documented proof of your claim that he signed for such funds. He disputes receiving it so you need to get your proof together that you sent it and he received it. You are beating a dead horse insisting on payment through Western Union for the total of $1050. Paypal has customer support, so you can email them and ask if JFORNEY36 account is frozen and to release it so you can get paid. Not much else you can do here. I repeat .. you are wasting time demanding Western Union payment. Ain't gonna happen.

Exactly. That is why I wouldnt send money order either. And the fact that all monto has to do is lift the claim and he will have his money in 3-4 days. I know I would do it the same way. No offense Monto or Via, but the fact that you are friends and bought the same cue at the same time sounds a little too coincidental. I wouldnt take the chance and if you dont lift the claim, then oh well. Protecting oneself from being out cue and cash, I cant say that I blame JFourney for handling it the way he is.

 

[subdude1974]

You have to trust him... like he trusted you.

And no he doesnt have to trust him. You are just a DUMASS if you set yourself up to be double-dipped on cash. And no Big John I am not calling you personally a dumass. I am saying anyone who would do it that way would be a dumass.

 

[our_auctionguy]

Never trust refunding via Western Union

You have to trust him... like he trusted you.

Sorry, Big John. Got to disagree. The refund should only go the way the payment came. A lot of people have been burned using Paypal when they refunded via Western Union and the claimant forced a Paypal refund as well. I don't trust anyone who demands payment through Western Union.

 

[Monto P2]

Is anyone willing to stand as gaurantee for Mr Forney.

May be u people have forgotten that i am a victim here.I know via because we are both members of another forum called poolfanatic.com.secondly i was in negotiation with via on for a bcm he was selling for many days.but as i find this capone i told him i dont want his cue as i bought a capone on that day.So he told me he also bought a capone he asked me from where did i buy.i told him that i bought from jforney.he said he also bought from same guy.thats how we got to knnow that we had bought same cue.
He is friend to an extent that we are memeber for same forum for long and put a lot of posts on poolfanatic.though we have never met.still they know me as i am quite active member of that forum.
I have no intention of scamming anyone nor i am scammer.

As told earlier.
sooner or later i willl get my money back.

If any member with good record wants be in middle and forney can pay him and the other person can stand gaurantee that he will pay me.i am ready to lift the paypal claim

 

[Monto P2]

Like the way i have he also have an option to send mail to paypal and ask them to pay me back and settle the matter.
I only want western union because if i lift the claim once i will be proved that i am wrong and they would not entertain a second claim.

I do not have any special prefernce for western union.i just want my money back.either ways.i am not ready to lift the claim

 

[gforces1911]

I agree

I don't normally get involved with these disputes, but after reading all of this, I have to side with JFORNEY36 because he is right not to send western union for the amount being held up by Paypal. That would leave him open to a double hit because Paypal is notorious for withdrawing from the seller's account in a dispute and refunding the buyers payment. If he sends you the money via Western Union, he is wide open to getting zapped by Paypal for the same disputed amount. Also, his crediblity here on AZBilliards is much stronger than yours, regardless of who you are. You have NO history here with sales or contacts of note. I for one would not send a Western Union payment to you or anyone else for a Prior Paypal transaction. That would be STUPID. Drop your demand for Western Union payment, because you are not going to get it. You are wasting valuable time to get paid. It appears that the refund is only going to come to you through Paypal. As for the $270 you say you Western Unioned to JFRONEY36, he says he didn't receive it. That you can track through Western Union and should get documented proof of your claim that he signed for such funds. He disputes receiving it so you need to get your proof together that you sent it and he received it. You are beating a dead horse insisting on payment through Western Union for the total of $1050. Paypal has customer support, so you can email them and ask if JFORNEY36 account is frozen and to release it so you can get paid. Not much else you can do here. I repeat .. you are wasting time demanding Western Union payment. Ain't gonna happen.

I agree this in principle. If seller sends money Western Union there is the risk that Buyer will collect that money and money from Paypal. Buyer put the paypal dispute in motion and he must now ride it out. Or he can lift the claim- and seller can transfer money back to him.

I find it odd that the buyer has a paypal claim and is demanding Western Union immediately.

 

[AngryPanda]

My side of the story is: I had 2 people paypal me money for a cue. I told one azer I'd told the cue but didnt know if he'd pay so I was setting up a second to purchase the cue. Well in the mean time both had paypaled me the money. The funds got transfered from my account to my bank account. I told monto that it'll take 3-4 days like paypal says to transfer funds back from my bank account to paypal. Well the same day Monto files a claim with paypal and they stop the transfer for some reason. now with the claim I can't transfer the money to my account to pay him. as you all can see I have an excellent I trader with some great people on here. I just refunded an azer's funds for my lathe he paid me for that I couldn't get shipped to him because I am stuck on the road with business. Like I said monto you need to stop the claim to get paid.

End of story

Period...

SUBDUDE, I dont know why you think you can start posting inflamatory comments and calling people out like this. JFORNEY started this mess. He is the one that accepted 2 offers for the cue and accepted payment from both. JFORNEY also admitted that he sought out the second offer in case the first one fell thru.
He has the cue and $2500 from both buyers. Monto generously stepped aside, and is asking for the money back, without asking about the fees involved or demanding him to honor their deal. And you have the gall to accuse Via who has a higher itrading rating than JFORNEY of being in cahoots with Monto. You have no right to be accusing anyone! You need to butt out and let them settle this because you are not helping this situation

 

[Jamesu]

SUBDUDE, I dont know why you think you can start posting inflamatory comments and calling people out like this. JFORNEY started this mess. He is the one that accepted 2 offers for the cue and accepted payment from both. JFORNEY also admitted that he sought out the second offer in case the first one fell thru.
He has the cue and $2500 from both buyers. Monto generously stepped aside, and is asking for the money back, without asking about the fees involved or demanding him to honor their deal. And you have the gall to accuse Via who has a higher itrading rating than JFORNEY of being in cahoots with Monto. You have no right to be accusing anyone! You need to butt out and let them settle this because you are not helping this situation

I agree, we should stop flaming both parties.

We have heard both sides of the story and make our own conclusions. We can argue till the cow comes home and we won't have an common solution.

I hope both of you can settle this in a calm way, which is beneficial for both of you.

 

[Monto P2]

All i want is my money.send it whatever way u want.i dont mind.

i am not looking for western union only.

i am also scared like the way u r. it is my money we are talking about by the way.

It is my mistake to trust somene and pay money

 

[JFORNEY36]

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Monto P2: You can see my concern's and sending funds not though paypal the way the funds came to me. I WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY... All you have to do is lift the claim so I can transfer funds to my account and you will have the funds with 4-5 days. All this *****ing all your doing is wasting time. this is a simple fix...

 

[JFORNEY36]

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MONTO: Do me a favor and PM Azer DCristal on here and ask about me. He sent me funds for my cue repait lathe I had F/S on here and I was to return to my home and ship it to him on last Friday. I didn't get to return home do to business and I Pm'd he and told him I was refunding him his money via Paypal because I didn't want to hold his funds because I couln't return home and get the package shipped. I was suppose to ship on friday and didn't he got a refund I believe on Saturday evening. That amount was $1100. I DON'T need your $780.

 

[Monto P2]

i am not going to do that.if i dont get my money by tommorow than i will escalate this matter further.
I am not a liar or cheat. so will go till any extent to get my money back.
all i want is my money.western union,paypal or any other way u wanna give.Thats all i ask for what i paid u.nothing more nothing less.

why dont u tell them to pay me from ur account as u have settled the matter the claim will automatically finish.

i want my money.thats it.just my money.nothing more nothing less

 

[Irish634]

I told monto that it'll take 3-4 days like paypal says to transfer funds back from my bank account to paypal.

Just a question on this. Is there a different setup in paypal that it takes that long to transfer from a verified bank account? I ask because when I buy something via paypal, the funds are withdrawn from my account the same day, usually within the hour.

Now it does take 3-4 days for me to transfer from Paypal --> my bank, so I am going out on a limb here to say this is really what the hold up is (or was prior to the account being frozen).

Please correct me if I am wrong. Just trying to decipher this thread.

I paid 78ousd thru paypal 270 thru western union and same night he took 1500usd for same cue from via which he sold me for 1050usd without the case.

Monto: As for your $270 Western Union payment I ever got that payment sorry.. Money owed to you is $780.00..

There seems to be a discrepancy here.

Monto: If you sent it the $270 through WU, as another poster said, you'll have to get a receipt of your WU transaction that shows he signed for it. I also think (maybe wrong) that if the money has not been picked up as Jforney claims, then you can recall it. However if you sent it and it was picked up and signed for, that should be on the transaction log/receipt and would be proof enough.

Second thing that seems odd to me is why not pay the whole $1050 out of the paypal? I can see if there was only $780 in the paypal account, but if it's tied to a bank or a card, Paypal would just tap the other source.

I'm not pointing fingers, just seems odd to me.

On the flip side: Jforney - if you got the $270, I hope you give it back with the rest.

Another thing that seems odd to me is the withdrawal of paypal funds. Even if buyer 1 pays, then the funds are withdrawn, the money from buyer 2 should be there to payback the individual that did not get the cue. Something weird there too. Again, not pointing fingers, just seems odd to me.

If I were to transfer funds from paypal to my bank, I think I'd notice an extra $1000 to $1500 in the account and before I transferred anything would try to find out what was happening.

I hope there isn't a scam trying to be had by either party, but I'll be wary of either until/if the issue is resolved. From reading, I kind of doubt there was any ill intention on either part and I may very well be naive in thinking that. But I think there were two deals being lined up (the second in case one fell through) and there was some serious miscommunication that led to both buyers paying for the cue. But it does seem odd to me that two payments would be made for the same cue.

I don't know either party but I truly hope it's the case of miscommunication and it will be remedied soon. Good luck to everyone involved.