Don't forget the Barton vs Justis thread!!! Damn Mahna, you're slipping.
Kinda miss PocketPoint
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Don't forget the Barton vs Justis thread!!! Damn Mahna, you're slipping.
If you are in the woods and say something to your wife and she is not around to hear it...are you still wrong?
Of course.
Damn, you are my hero! First the hurricane and tidal wave comment and now this, I bow to your superior intellect sir. Please continue.
Hell, why don't we go ahead and mention some "aiming" threads :sorry:??? :grin:
Maniac
Let's recap PP's threads over the past two weeks.
PP has trashed leagues, berated the importance of good instruction and fundamentals, and extolled the virtues of gambling. With his controversial threads and his new manifesto, the mods have had to spend a inordinate amount of time trying to keep up with his silly postings, let alone his multiple accounts.
Yup! I miss him too. NOT!!! :wink:
well, the problem is, he had some good points. and didn't seem to lack passion.... and we banned him? haha, maybe this is all part of the philosophy that has gotten us where we are today.
look.... leagues do need to be trashed. is there another side of the story with respect to leagues. sure, a lot of people have a great time playing pool in those leagues. but as far as well played, "hardcore" pool the
truth does need to be told about the leagues effects on the game. the instruction aspect.... many instructors around here kinda make me kringe. i have seen spmebody work on foot placement for an hour with somebody. did i personally care. no. but i do see hos point. that isn't a path to top pool-- i know that much for a fact. as far as the mods spending time..... maybe they should look into what they need to spend time on, and if they come to the same conlusion (that that need to oversee his every word), then perhaps they need to realize that they jusy have a job to do, and not complain that he gives them more work. i just dont like it when people use this "oh my god they make me work harder" argument.
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EXACTLY, if you don't like opening your box to complaints then don't do the job. Pretty simple isn't it.
To mostly quote Billy Madison "Mr. Enzo what you just typed is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your incoherent rambling response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all now dumber for having had read it. I award you no rep points and may God have mercy on your soul."
What is wrong with you people saying leagues need to be trashed? Really, please enlighten me why people can't play a game socially for fun in a competitive atmosphere for cheap without having to gamble for hundreds of dollars or whatever crap pocketpool was promoting?
And I'm lucky. Shmenzo, put me on his ignore list.
You can find who ignore you? How?
One of the central problems with those threads, from a purely argumentative standpoint, is one of correlation.
The implication being that since pool leagues exist at a casual level and pool's top end isn't growing as many would like that pool leagues are somehow a cause.
That problem of correlation/causation has plagued mankind throughout history. It doesn't rain, therefore you angered the gods.
Really? How do you know?
That's what rubbed some the wrong way and immediately took the potential arguments from debates to an attack on an institution.
These things must be examined properly to see if there is any merit. Maybe there is, and maybe there isn't. Implications are not examinations, however, and members and moderators must respect that difference in order to have a productive environment.
Many moderators do not, especially larger boards where one or more competing products are commonly pitted against one another. Instead of bothering to change the environment, they feel the instant labeling of 'troll' (a term with an ambiguous meaning) and instant banning is the best course of action. The problem, of course, is that they have done nothing to change the environment, nor the cause of their perceived problems. They are therefore left with only a few pedestrian 'safe' topics and a lackluster user base that is afraid to engage in anything potentially meaningful for fear of being banned.
no no no no... the suicidal one is over on the TVMike thread..
Pocketpoint was just an asshole
:barf: :bow-down:
If I remember pp said he sucked at pool?
Allright pp hated leagues hated barboxes hated coaching hated instructors!!!
But he said gambling, & 9'ers were the shit &'pool was his life.
So maybe his job was cleaning out a pool hall filled with barboxes hoping he would find $$$ on the floor from people gambling.
And the leagues he was in he always got his ass smoked in.
And everytime an instructor wanted to coach him he had to go in the back room & wash balls.
Just a thought.
Allright pp hated leagues hated barboxes hated coaching hated instructors!!!
But he said gambling, & 9'ers were the shit &'pool was his life.
So maybe his job was cleaning out a pool hall filled with barboxes hoping he would find $$$ on the floor from people gambling.
And the leagues he was in he always got his ass smoked in.
And everytime an instructor wanted to coach him he had to go in the back room & wash balls.
Just a thought.
This is another great post, i've been seeing more and more lately. The truth is, I don't know (for a fact). I can only give you one data point, good enough for me.... yet not for you im sure. Here it is.
What you are about to read, all took place in my "area" of California. It was the early 90's, and we all thought pool was kinda so-so. We had all heard about amazing stories of keith and others playing for thousands perhaps 5 or ten years previous, yet nothing was really happening at the time. BUT, the truth is, there was a great atmosphere. It was on a smaller scale, but people came into the local rooms and practiced hard everyday and there was a lot to watch. Race to 3 for 20, 5 dollars a game one pocket-- then everybody would wait for the very good weekly tournament, and inbetween all this, we'd practice. i am personally convinced that this is how pool "rallies" in an area. That is, there are one or two good players, they gamble and play tournaments, everybody wants to be like them.... so they all work hard and try their hardest to improve. I loved.... relative to today, i absolutely loved it.
Then.... and I wont try to put a date in this.... but then.... something happened. There is not ONE sinlge player to be seen in any local hall around here hitting balls and working on their games. How can I correlate this to leagues. Like i said, truth is I can't definitively.... but I do have a brain, and I can tell you what ive seen and think. That atmosphere that I saw around here has just totally disappeard. People still like pool, so thats not the problem, but they aren't following the same behaviors as they did in the past. For me it is a problem, yet live and let live.... really, im just telling you how i feel.
And to address one other poster..... when i say leagues need to be trashed, I just mean they need to be exposed for what they really are so people can make up their own mind on how to get the "itch" that they have to play this game out of their system. Leagues seem almost automatic theses days for an up and comer.... I wish this wasn't the case, and I think if you have understood this post, you already know why. But I honestly want people to have a great time and get out there and have fun is the truth. But if your goal is to play well, i'm here to tell you to please think twice about joining a league, and the reason is that leagues are simply not the way to get better in this game. There are 3 things you need to do if you want to get better:
1) practice-- the more the better
2) good tournaments and perhaps some gambling to fill in the time between good tournaments
3) watch good players, accustats is perfect for this... pause and rewind are priceless
so i guess you could say the above 3 things would be my manifesto to wanna-be players. and if i could put a negative in my list, it would be stay away from leagues as you know.
You guys all suck, leagues suck, none of you really know how to play, of course speed changes angles of every shot you morons, nobody knows what I know.
Oh, and yeah, cause and effect? Pro pool isn't growing, therefore you must of angered the gods! Either that or it doesn't rain because pro pool isn't growing! One of those, I'm sure is the problem. Or maybe it's just leagues are the problem. Yeah, it doesn't rain cause there are pool leagues ... and pool leagues anger the gods!!!! That must be it! Change the scoring system of all leagues and the gods will love you.
For those of you who miss Pocketpoint, I hope I just provided your daily dose of idiocy he used to offer.
Oh, and yeah, cause and effect? Pro pool isn't growing, therefore you must of angered the gods! Either that or it doesn't rain because pro pool isn't growing! One of those, I'm sure is the problem. Or maybe it's just leagues are the problem. Yeah, it doesn't rain cause there are pool leagues ... and pool leagues anger the gods!!!! That must be it! Change the scoring system of all leagues and the gods will love you.
For those of you who miss Pocketpoint, I hope I just provided your daily dose of idiocy he used to offer.
I think you got most of it right, I also suspect that he had a job at a pool hall, however, I think his main occupation was cleaning the toilets.
As far as washing balls I agree he most likely did wash balls in the back room, but I think it is more of a question of who's balls he was washing.
I think that is why he hated league players so much, I suspect that the room he worked in was mainly comprised of leagues and league players and after cleaning the toilets and washing all those balls he kinda lost his mind!!!!:thumbup:
But, I could certainly be wrong only pocketpoint knows for certain and I doubt he will be telling anyone the rest of the story anytime soon.
JIMO
Let's recap PP's threads over the past two weeks.
PP has trashed leagues, berated the importance of good instruction and fundamentals, and extolled the virtues of gambling. With his controversial threads and his new manifesto, the mods have had to spend a inordinate amount of time trying to keep up with his silly postings, let alone his multiple accounts.
Yup! I miss him too. NOT!!! :wink:
To describe his posts more accurately he was dismissive of bad instruction and simply recognized that the general public is surely more interested in a couple of players playing for significant money than they are in joining a pool league that is really not much more than a drinking club that keeps a pool table handy.