KOH Television Ratings on OLN

shanesinnott

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Just wondering if anyone knew how well the KOH show on OLN has done (ratings wise) or if there is a way to find out?

I know in the past that I have heard a day or two after a particular TV show aired that an announcement was made that X millions tuned in to watch _____

I for one have tuned in every Sunday and hope that many others have too. Like I said, just curious on the actual ratings....anyone?
 
shanesinnott said:
Just wondering if anyone knew how well the KOH show on OLN has done (ratings wise) or if there is a way to find out?

I know in the past that I have heard a day or two after a particular TV show aired that an announcement was made that X millions tuned in to watch _____

I for one have tuned in every Sunday and hope that many others have too. Like I said, just curious on the actual ratings....anyone?

X millions means 0 millions.....OLN is not a mayor network.....
 
Dr. Dissent said:
X millions means 0 millions.....OLN is not a mayor network.....
OK, but is it a maJor network???

They air the PBR, NHL, and now the Tour de France. I would consider them major.

Ive tuned in every Sunday, regardless of the commentating. I like the show for the most part.
 
No Lance, no ratings coattails

Originally Posted by Dr. Dissent:

X millions means 0 millions.....OLN is not a major network.....



Icon of Sin said:
OK, but is it a major network???

They air the PBR, NHL, and now the Tour de France. I would consider them major.

I read somewhere that OLN has less than one-tenth the $$ value of major-sports contracts compared to ESPN & other major sports broadcastors.

And no one would mistake the incoming corporate owner of OLN, Versus Broadcasting, with Fox Sports in the early '90s and the way it bought its way in with $$billions in securing the NFL rights.

Since the OLN made its name and built the network around the Tour de France platform, the following article from the NYT may give you some pause.

Their evening TDF recap serves as the lead-in for their prime-time lineup. A 47% drop in ratings of the TDF coverage compared to years past does not bode well for steering casual, non-pool players to watch KT's productions.

I am more sad for the state of cycling in general with its huge doping scandal and no obvious dominant rider as Lance had been in the last seven years.

Without Lance Armstrong there are no coattails for the rest of the OLN sports lineup to ride on.

Here is the article in today's NYT:


July 7, 2006
Sports Media and Business

OLN Sizing Up Impact of the Post-Lance Era
By RICHARD SANDOMIR


When OLN acquired the rights to the Tour de France in 2001, Lance Armstrong had already won two in a row. As he won each of the next five, OLN built its coverage increasingly around him. He was the "cyclysm," the star of "The Lance Chronicles," the face of a channel emerging from its hunting and fishing roots, the star of a network without any others.

• Because of cycling's low profile in the United States, he dominated his sport more than Michael Jordan did pro basketball and Tiger Woods does golf. For casual viewers, there was no other face of cycling than Lance.

Now that Armstrong is in retirement, his impact on OLN is even clearer now that the network must rely on possible American successors whose first names don't resonate like Lance: Levi, George and Floyd.

Through the first four stages, viewership of OLN's live Tour coverage has tumbled 49 percent to 207,544 people. Combined viewership of the live show and its daily repeats has plunged by 47 percent to 749,472. At the same time, online traffic at olntv.com has spiked with the addition of more video.

A further look at past trends shows that viewership for the first four days swelled by 135 percent, from 171,975 in 2002 to 403,802 last year.

If the downward pattern continues through the Tour's end, Armstrong's impact will exceed what happened to the N.B.A. finals after Jordan's first two retirements. In 1994, viewership of the Knicks-Houston series tumbled 37 percent to 17.3 million. In 1999, the Knicks-Spurs finals slumped by 45 percent to 16 million. The league has not approached the Jordan peaks, leading to the obvious conclusion that the Airness Era was a great statistical aberration as, almost certainly, the Armstrong years were

Gavin Harvey, the president of OLN, said the Tour's decline in viewership through Stage 4 "is within the range of where we thought it would be."

"We've talked about this for two years, both the Lance effect and the post-Lance era," he said.

Armstrong's absence is compounded by the Spanish investigation into a drug ring that forced the withdrawals from the Tour of several competitors, including the cyclists who finished second (Ivan Basso), third (Jan Ullrich), fourth (Francisco Mancebo) and fifth (Alexander Vinokourov) to Armstrong last year. Vinokourov was not implicated in the investigation, but the ouster of five of his teammates left him with too small a team to continue.

"As a business executive, we all have to deal with doping in sports," Harvey said. "You can't wish for clean competition and push for clean athletes, then all be dramatically disappointed when certain athletes are pushed out of these races. We have to move on and focus on what we have."

Watching the Tour now is a peculiar experience, with no Lance in the pack. Even if he was not leading, he was the center of attention with the OLN crew. Where was he? How would he do in the mountains? How fast would he be in the sprints? Yet, at the same time, there is normalcy, the leveling of a field that had been skewed so long that it obscured the larger Tour universe.

Bob Roll, an OLN commentator, agreed that having Armstrong win every Tour since the seventh year of the Clinton administration was a wonderful albatross for a network that reaches just under 70 million homes. "It was a windfall, like winning the lottery," he said by phone from Vitré, France, where today's Stage 6 will end. "There's no way to overcalculate his impact on the American audience. Without Lance, we wouldn't be where we are."

But, he added: "From a competitive, tactical standpoint, it will perhaps be more exciting without him, because you can't identify an unequivocal favorite. Rather than chase one story, there are 5 to 10 stories to tell."

OLN took heat from hard-core fans, said Harvey, for morphing into the Only Lance Network. (Soon it will change, simply, into Versus.)

In its first post-Lance Tour, OLN appears to have improved and balanced its coverage. By being less focused on Armstrong, it has moved beyond its yellow jersey fixation to enhanced interest in the green one (for best sprinter), the white (best young rider) and polka dot (best mountain climber).

The graphics have also improved to keep better track of the riders' standings and to provide enhanced readings of several cyclists' heartbeats, power output and stress caused by the race.

• Armstrong has not disappeared from OLN. He is still there in reruns of "The Lance Chronicles" and in segments from a recent interview that will be inserted into each day's coverage. And Armstrong is a major part of a sweepstakes created by the Discovery Channel, which sponsors the team he raced for and partly owns, which will culminate in a contestant joining the Discovery team for the U.S. Pro Championship in September.

Meanwhile, the absent Lance did not keep CBS Sports away from the Tour; its Sunday coverage will return, with Bob Neumeier as the host.

"The race keeps rolling," Roll said, "and Lance would be the first to say that time waits for no one."


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One of the top BCA 9-ball championship finals on ESPN got around a .50, which is like 450,000 viewers, the reruns on ESPN all average around a .20 which is less the 200,000 viewers and they are in 22 million more households than OLN.

I would guess the IPT might have a few .30 ratings which will be good, and the same as ESPN's ratings. If they get anywhere close to a million viewers it will be a ratings BOOM for pool! and I will be shocked. If we do hear the ratings, don't expect anything near millions, even if it was broadcast on NBC it might not get a million viewers. Even some of the top rated Poker shows during the hype got less than a million viewers and ESPN only averaged a .60 for Regular season hockey ratings before the strike.

I'll tell you one thing, OLN is really giving the IPT a nice showing, good time slots and advertisements. OLN, (soon to be Versus) is going to be much better for Pool than ESPN and will draw more viewers for pool. I have not seen pool on any espn front page, or advertised during other shows. If you go to OLN's front page they do, and they even have a poll about pool, just click on action sports at the bottom. http://www.olntv.com/ They are clearly not just taking this on just because KT pushed it to them, they want pool to be bigger, and want to take whatever they can from ESPN.

So as far as ratings go, a series average of 250,000 viewers would be an great start! and anything even near a 1 would be truly amazing.

With taht said, Nielsen ratings suck, and really have a hard time showing ratings for a small genre, after all who do you know that plays pool that is a Nielsen family?

No new incoming corporate owner, just a name change, it's still Comcast, and they are not that far off from a Fox or Disney. They have plenty of cash to throw around, and they were first in line for the NFL cable deal, but the NFL opted to use it's own NFL channel. They will most likely get some MLB games away from Fox, as Fox's contract is up this year, but you don't really need all those top properties to be a viable sports network, I see them having a great lineup (hopefully with pool), and a strong competitor in a few years.
 
Dr. Dissent said:
X millions means 0 millions.....OLN is not a mayor network.....

I am guessing you meant major network?

I was just wondering how you came to this conclusion and what exactly is the definition of a major network?
 
OLN is a really small network. I believe they currently have about 65 million subscribers and very little recognition in the US market. Considering the fact that the NHL playoffs bounced between 0.4 and 0.7, I'd guess that their primetime ratings for KOH will come in under a 0.1. They're not doing anything at all to publicize this programming, as their primary focus right now is on the Tour de France and Survivor reruns.
 
I missed the two hour final. These previous episodes played two or three each Sunday, so I thought I'd catch a rerun, but there weren't any.
 
JohnnyP said:
I missed the two hour final. These previous episodes played two or three each Sunday, so I thought I'd catch a rerun, but there weren't any.

I did too. We were out Sunday night, and I had thought it began at 7:00 p.m., like the other Sunday nights. Well, I was wrong. It started at 6:00 p.m. Then I look at the OLN programming and see that there will not be another IPT KOTH show until July 25th.

I think you will be able to view it on July 25th or thereabouts, JohnnyP. I will miss it again as I will be out of town that week. :(

JAM
 
JAM said:
I think you will be able to view it on July 25th
According to the TV schedule, on the IPT web site, OLN is repeating all 7 hours, beginning at 6pm.
If anyone missed it, this would be an excellent time to catch up.
 
I have learned with my DVR that you don't have to worry about missing shows. Most channels, except for first run episodes on the big 3, will have repeats of first run shows throughout the following week.

John
 
billiardsblogge said:
They're not doing anything at all to publicize this programming, as their primary focus right now is on the Tour de France and Survivor reruns.

Actually, I have been happy to see that OLN is promoting the IPT show during their Tour de France programming. They are having the announcers talk about it at least two or three times during the three hours of coverage. I don't know how many bicycle fans are going to watch a pool show but it is still a good sign that OLN is taking it somewhat seriously.
 
Keith Buck said:
Actually, I have been happy to see that OLN is promoting the IPT show during their Tour de France programming. They are having the announcers talk about it at least two or three times during the three hours of coverage. I don't know how many bicycle fans are going to watch a pool show but it is still a good sign that OLN is taking it somewhat seriously.

My cable company "Comcast" is playing the OLN commercials on the dead spots between programming on the other channels. I have seen it on Lifetime at least a few times as well as some others channels. :D
 
IPT on OLN

I watched my first IPT show the other night, and you know, it wasn't all that bad. Sigel is a good commentator in my opinion. He knows the game and has a good voice for TV (that is so important). His co-commetators are only okay. Kevin and the other guy usually allow Mike to carry the ball, as well they should. Kevin is actually better than some other people I have seen on pool telecasts. He does have a few useful insights.

Moving around from match to match is not all bad either. Kind of like PGA golf telecasts. They are showing key games at important intervals in the match. They could use a little help with camera direction, as it is disconcerting not to see the path of the Cue Ball on shots. After all, that is as important as making the ball.

All in all, it is probably as good or better than what ESPN puts on, and they have a 20 year head start. Accu-Stats still make the best shows, without question. One thing I won't miss on TV, is the day they get rid of the overhead camera. It is a one dimensional look at a three dimensional game. Absolutely unnecessary! Rarely used on Snooker telecasts (or Accu-Stats), and not needed at all to make a good show.

IMHO
 
jay helfert said:
I watched my first IPT show the other night, and you know, it wasn't all that bad. Sigel is a good commentator in my opinion. He knows the game and has a good voice for TV (that is so important). His co-commetators are only okay. Kevin and the other guy usually allow Mike to carry the ball, as well they should. Kevin is actually better than some other people I have seen on pool telecasts. He does have a few useful insights.

Moving around from match to match is not all bad either. Kind of like PGA golf telecasts. They are showing key games at important intervals in the match. They could use a little help with camera direction, as it is disconcerting not to see the path of the Cue Ball on shots. After all, that is as important as making the ball.

All in all, it is probably as good or better than what ESPN puts on, and they have a 20 year head start. Accu-Stats still make the best shows, without question. One thing I won't miss on TV, is the day they get rid of the overhead camera. It is a one dimensional look at a three dimensional game. Absolutely unnecessary! Rarely used on Snooker telecasts (or Accu-Stats), and not needed at all to make a good show.

IMHO
No wonder I didn't enjoy watching it all that much. My three dimensional television set was recieving single dimensional signals. Just kidding, Jay!!
 
jay helfert said:
They could use a little help with camera direction, as it is disconcerting not to see the path of the Cue Ball on shots. After all, that is as important as making the ball.

IMHO


I spoke with one cameraman at the KOTH and was surprised to find out that he was a free lance cameraman - an independent contractor, and was hired, as were many other cameramen there, to film the matches. he had never filmed a pool match before. So I really think they did an excellent job.

I think it would be interesting to see how they put these KOTH, edited for TV, matches together. How they combined the various cameras into one string. Then put in the voice of the commentators. What kind of a studio were they in because they sure were not doing the commentary live at the KOTH.

Someone sure did spend a lot of time going over all the films and deciding which ones to show and maintain continuity.

Jake
 
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