Lagging for the break question

Kevin Lindstrom

Kevin Lindstrom

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Is it legal to use a 2 rail shot when lagging for the break. Meaning if I hit the head rail first and then the long rail on the side of the table from which I am lagging?

Anyone with knowlege know if this is a legal lag shot????

Thanks

Kevin
 
My guess would be illegal. Ball interference, but I'm also guess that this would only really be a factor if you won the lag
 
Kevin Lindstrom said:
Is it legal to use a 2 rail shot when lagging for the break. Meaning if I hit the head rail first and then the long rail on the side of the table from which I am lagging?

Anyone with knowlege know if this is a legal lag shot????

Thanks

Kevin
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Lags aren't allowed to hit the side rail; your shot would result in automatic loss of lag.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
Lags aren't allowed to hit the side rail; your shot would result in automatic loss of lag.

-Andrew
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Correct (unless both lags are bad). Here are the lag requirements from the WPA (world-standardized) rules:

1.2 Lagging to Determine Order of Play
The lag is the first shot of the match and determines order of play. The player who wins the lag chooses who will shoot first.
The referee will place a ball on each side of the table behind the head string and near the head string. The players will shoot at about the same time to make each ball contact the foot cushion with the goal of returning the ball closer to the head cushion than the opponent.
A lag shot is bad and cannot win if the shooter’s ball:
(a) crosses the long string;
(b) contacts the foot cushion other than once;
(c) is pocketed or driven off the table;
(d) touches the side cushion; or
(e) the ball rests within the corner pocket and past the nose of the head cushion.
In addition, a lag will be bad if any non-object-ball foul occurs other than 6.9 Balls Still Moving.
The players will lag again if:
(a) a player’s ball is struck after the other ball has touched the foot cushion;
(b) the referee cannot determine which ball has stopped closer to the head cushion; or
(c) both lags are bad.
 
Kevin Lindstrom said:
Andrew

Is this documented somewhere that I can reference i.e. BCA rules or other.

Thanks

Kevin
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AZB posters > BCA rules!

It's a loss of lag by whoever hit the side rail. Also if the balls contact each other on the way it's a re-lag. Same thing if the ball falls into the pocket, you lose the lag. Although that almost happened to me on a lag due to table roll LOL ball veered off 3 inches almost to the pocket.
 
hang-the-9 said:
It's a loss of lag by whoever hit the side rail. Also if the balls contact each other on the way it's a re-lag. Same thing if the ball falls into the pocket, you lose the lag. Although that almost happened to me on a lag due to table roll LOL ball veered off 3 inches almost to the pocket.
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When that happens, surrender the break to your opponent and wait until the roll off causes him to miss and hang up the 9 ball 3 inches from the pocket :P

Table roll is the teacher.
 
I have always wondered if I am obligated to start from the headstring.

I see I am not. now about this 'near' requirement...
 
Black-Balled said:
I have always wondered if I am obligated to start from the headstring.

I see I am not. now about this 'near' requirement...
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At carom billiards with a referee the ref usually places both balls for the lag and the players are not supposed to touch them.
 
Just straight up and back

Darn...was thinking about a 3 rail lag, long, to the bottom cushion.

May do it anyway:eek:...probably lose the lag anyway.
 
mbvl said:
At carom billiards it is legal for the ball to touch the side cushion.
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I believe that the official rule was otherwise 30 years ago, but I see that the current UMB rules are silent on touching the side cushion on the lag.
 
Practice lagging?

Is it considered bad form to practice lagging a few times before a league match, while your opponent is getting his cue together, going to the bathroom, etc?
 
Good thing there was no ref present when I was on acid and 2 railed a lag that head froze during the 1983 World 11 Ball Championship. That 6 inch trophy on the mantle is my crown achievement.
 
Nine ... corner said:
What does that mean? I guess I'm dense but I don't get that requirement.
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The long string is an imaginary line from the center diamond on the head rail to the center diamond on the foot rail. It splits the table in half longways. Basically, it's a foul for your ball to cross over into the other shooter's side of the table.
 
mbvl said:
At carom billiards it is legal for the ball to touch the side cushion.
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This is exactly the type of situation where I would like to see a reference to the the rules that you are referring to, instead of an answer of the form "this is how it is, trust me, I know". In fact, I don't even know which are the world rules of Carambole (if such exist), and I would like to know.

Regarding American pool billiards, the answer was very nicely given with a reference to the WPA rules. Well done.

It really bothers me when people answer to these rule question threads with only intuition, with no references.

Like "when I was young there was this guy whom I trust with my life and he told me that when you pot the eight without bending and praying towards the spittoon, you lose. So you lose. Deal with it."

References, please.
 
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