Last Nights TAR Match..Best Yet
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Exactly. Its like punishing people for their hard work and success. Like taxes in California.
Johnny thank you for the kind words. I speak for everyone who worked on the match when I say they are much appreciated. The second set was one of the best sets we have ever had in the studio. Both guys were great to work with and complete pro's.
Jayson and Ronnie will both be back in the future.
I really enjoyed the last two nights of pool! I love the HD option. Jeremy and Cotton are great in the booth. Jeremy has a way of explaining things where everyone can really understand. I'm a big fan.
Pool's doing so wonderful God forbid anyone try to make any changes.
Hall, Hopkins, Archer, Reyes,
This is no "solution" to anything, it just brings out more of the Game and a hundred times more shots then you'll normally see.
Pool's doing so wonderful God forbid anyone try to make any changes. This would be so.....so.....logical?:groucho:
The definition of insanity is: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein
Change can be good....or not....one thing's for certain, it will be different.
Hall, Hopkins, Archer, Reyes,
This is no "solution" to anything, it just brings out more of the Game and a hundred times more shots then you'll normally see.
Pool's doing so wonderful God forbid anyone try to make any changes. This would be so.....so.....logical?:groucho:
The definition of insanity is: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein
Change can be good....or not....one thing's for certain, it will be different.
Hall, Hopkins, Archer, Reyes,
This is no "solution" to anything, it just brings out more of the Game and a hundred times more shots then you'll normally see.
Pool's doing so wonderful God forbid anyone try to make any changes. This would be so.....so.....logical?:groucho:
The definition of insanity is: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein
Change can be good....or not....one thing's for certain, it will be different.
Except it's not change. It's just going back to something that was done before. I don't know the exact reason pool isn't mainstream, but Texas Express/One Foul isn't it.
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Just my opinion here, but I thought the first night was horrible shooting, so I didn't purchase the second night. Sounds like I missed a good match the second night.
I love the new camera angle, the HD and being able to watch on my iPad. Thank you. Announcing by JJ is awesome.
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I love the new camera angle, the HD and being able to watch on my iPad. Thank you. Announcing by JJ is awesome.
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I really like the "battle for the first shot
You're right, it's not the rules, it's the lack of "other things".
This is more like the snooker break, and snooker is very popular in England and throughout the world. In snooker you can't "break and run out," the first player has to start from a safe break (similar to a roll out) to start his run and they usually have to come with a great first shot.
I really like the "battle for the first shot," however, I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I also understand why people like to see racks run, and these examples are just apples and oranges. It's not an attempt to change the regular rules of 9 Ball, just something different that brings out more of the true nature of the game and MANY more shot options.
You're right, it's not the rules, it's the lack of "other things".
This is more like the snooker break, and snooker is very popular in England and throughout the world. In snooker you can't "break and run out," the first player has to start from a safe break (similar to a roll out) to start his run and they usually have to come with a great first shot.
I really like the "battle for the first shot," however, I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I also understand why people like to see racks run, and these examples are just apples and oranges. It's not an attempt to change the regular rules of 9 Ball, just something different that brings out more of the true nature of the game and MANY more shot options.
Tar
TAR website
http://www.theactionreport.com/home.html
They usually post on Youtube (I think), but I read recently that Youtube is starting a rent to view service, and TAR will use that.
As of now there is no way to download or re-watch a match on their website.
TAR website
http://www.theactionreport.com/home.html
They usually post on Youtube (I think), but I read recently that Youtube is starting a rent to view service, and TAR will use that.
As of now there is no way to download or re-watch a match on their website.
I respectfully disagree with you Mr. Wiley. I don't get your phrase on "a more pure game." To me, breaking and running out in 8ball, 9 ball or 10 ball is as pure as it gets. It is the goal of every amateur and pro player to break and run out. Also, a mandatory push out takes away someone being able to put packages together and mount a great comeback. Plus, a mandatory push out would not be something that would be good for pool on TV. It may work in Europe, but we are not Europe. Snooker is not a big game over here. I respect your opinion because you have done more in and for the game then I have, but I feel you are backing something that is not good for the game.
to reply to Justin, the 2nd match was amazing. I was on the edge of my seat. Can't wait til the next two TAR Matches. Great stuff.
the general public doesn't see pool as a viable entertainment option in their lives
I understand your point and agree, I like the rack running element as well, this was my specialty. For me personally the break is a huge advantage, and I like advantages as well as anyone, however, this won't help pool's popularity, and right now that's all that I consider important.
When we talk about 'not being good for TV" we have to take into account that men's pool is not on TV. I come from an era that made every attempt to keep pool televised and then 14 years later it's not the case. Streaming is great for hard core pool fans, however, it won't draw new potential fans into the game. We were reaching tens of millions of sports fans and that's difference that makes a difference to the whole industry.
I already stated this wan't the "solution" and that should go without saying. The only point is we should be open to trying new things that the general public might enjoy.....the billiard industry is down in sales and it continues to plummet.....I don't see any hope if things continue like they are now. I"m only concerned with the pros and how the game is presented, the amateur side of pool is doing fine.
The problem is the general public doesn't see pool as a viable entertainment option in their daily lives. This can only be changed by mass media, and doing something uniquely different.
My opinions won't be the most popular, and I have a feeling whatever ideas that may suggest change in any way will also not be popular. I'm not here to "fit in," I"m here to figure out what the solutions are and implement them as quickly and efficiently as possible. I only work for the Teacher.
Aloha, and Always Play Well
I understand your point and agree, I like the rack running element as well, this was my specialty. For me personally the break is a huge advantage, and I like advantages as well as anyone, however, this won't help pool's popularity, and right now that's all that I consider important.
When we talk about 'not being good for TV" we have to take into account that men's pool is not on TV. I come from an era that made every attempt to keep pool televised and then 14 years later it's not the case. Streaming is great for hard core pool fans, however, it won't draw new potential fans into the game. We were reaching tens of millions of sports fans and that's difference that makes a difference to the whole industry.
I already stated this wan't the "solution" and that should go without saying. The only point is we should be open to trying new things that the general public might enjoy.....the billiard industry is down in sales and it continues to plummet.....I don't see any hope if things continue like they are now. I"m only concerned with the pros and how the game is presented, the amateur side of pool is doing fine.
The problem is the general public doesn't see pool as a viable entertainment option in their daily lives. This can only be changed by mass media, and doing something uniquely different.
My opinions won't be the most popular, and I have a feeling whatever ideas that may suggest change in any way will also not be popular. I'm not here to "fit in," I"m here to figure out what the solutions are and implement them as quickly and efficiently as possible. I only work for the Teacher.
Aloha, and Always Play Well
Would it be better if the breaking player have the choice of keep shotting or push regardless the outcome of the break(except foul on break)?
Would that preserve their breaking edges?
I agree with a lot of what you said. The average person isn't a huge pool fan and you mentioned streaming only hitting the hardcore fan. I think that having a mandatory push out after the break does exactly that. If pool were to get on to broadcast TV and the general public sees that, they will be confused and wonder why since no one plays like that, at least in their eyes. I personally feel that 8 ball would be a step in the right direction for pool on tv. Anyone who has ever played pool in a bar would understand it. That and not cutting the matches up if possible.
I will say this CJ, you are one of the few pros that are active on this board and engage all the other "non pro" players and fans here so kudos to you.
I was in the studio both nights. I will say thank you to Jayson, Ronnie, Justin, Mark, Sunny and the entire group. The first night was a little slow but the second night more than made up for it. What a great match, great players and great TAR staff. Now I'm waiting for the announcement on the next two TAR's. I will be reserving my seat for the next two matches as soon as Justin takes reservations.
It's about the commentating.
This is what it takes....it's brainstorming and I certainly don't have "all the right ideas" or maybe any of them, who knows? The one thing that's obvious is we have to make some changes in some way, shape or form. Pool, as presented now is drab, and, brutally uninteresting, {and I really like the game}, I can't imagine how it is for the "general public"....of course they never watch it anyway, it's not on TV enough to accumulate an audience.
The reason I like the roll out after the break has nothing to do with the break being an advantage or disadvantage, it's not about the break at all.
It's about the commentating....it gives them something to talk about that means something. It makes the game so much more interesting to talk about than if they player's going to use high/low/left/right/ english and how they're going to play position on the next shot. Often times they commentators are wrong anyway, and even if they guess right, who really cares?
Strategic games are more interesting to commentate. Think about this more a moment and you may see my point. Roll Our rules are more interesting to talk about than just "playing safe and kicking".....these things have no substance....and to get to an intelligent audience we need substance. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I agree with a lot of what you said. The average person isn't a huge pool fan and you mentioned streaming only hitting the hardcore fan. I think that having a mandatory push out after the break does exactly that. If pool were to get on to broadcast TV and the general public sees that, they will be confused and wonder why since no one plays like that, at least in their eyes. I personally feel that 8 ball would be a step in the right direction for pool on tv. Anyone who has ever played pool in a bar would understand it. That and not cutting the matches up if possible.
I will say this CJ, you are one of the few pros that are active on this board and engage all the other "non pro" players and fans here so kudos to you.
This is what it takes....it's brainstorming and I certainly don't have "all the right ideas" or maybe any of them, who knows? The one thing that's obvious is we have to make some changes in some way, shape or form. Pool, as presented now is drab, and, brutally uninteresting, {and I really like the game}, I can't imagine how it is for the "general public"....of course they never watch it anyway, it's not on TV enough to accumulate an audience.
The reason I like the roll out after the break has nothing to do with the break being an advantage or disadvantage, it's not about the break at all.
It's about the commentating....it gives them something to talk about that means something. It makes the game so much more interesting to talk about than if they player's going to use high/low/left/right/ english and how they're going to play position on the next shot. Often times they commentators are wrong anyway, and even if they guess right, who really cares?
Strategic games are more interesting to commentate. Think about this more a moment and you may see my point. Roll Our rules are more interesting to talk about than just "playing safe and kicking".....these things have no substance....and to get to an intelligent audience we need substance. 'The Game is the Teacher'