Latest News from Deno re:Qualifiers

Bill O said:
There simply is no need for this if the tour really is "already profitable" as has been claimed by a certain mr KT!

Kevin trudeau is a snake oil salesman, and I don't believe anything he says.

As for your point of view, I understand what you're saying, don't agree, but that's what makes the world go round.[/QUOTE]

No problem Bill thanks for the reply. Out of curiosity which bit didn't you agree with? :D

Don't you think it would be fairer on the players that missed out to have lots of qualifiers with low entries or a few big ones with large entries? I understand your coments about the tour making a profit but KT can't have it both ways, he says its already making a profit and he hasn't even begun to sell DVD's or to the TV companies, or sponsorship yet? But even if he's telling porky pies, why on one hand invite people for free and on the other charge people a small fortune for the same privilege? :rolleyes:
 
Hey Linda,

It is now less than four months to go before the big event. Get ready to enjoy the limelight. Perhaps I will ride on the shuttle bus with you again like in Orlando.

Then after you and your husband win it all you will have your own limo.

Enjoy.

Jake
 
The One,

Surely you don't believe everything you read here now do you?

Take you for instance. We all know that you really believe that the IPT is the best thing that has happened to pool and you are just upset that you didn't get selected.

As to why KT didn't select some people. It's simple - he doesn't like them. So why should he give someone he doesn't like a lot of money.

Instead, he makes them give him a lot of money. In the qualifiers. Pretty smart on his part, don't you think?

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
The One,

Surely you don't believe everything you read here now do you?

Take you for instance. We all know that you really believe that the IPT is the best thing that has happened to pool and you are just upset that you didn't get selected.

As to why KT didn't select some people. It's simple - he doesn't like them. So why should he give someone he doesn't like a lot of money.

Instead, he makes them give him a lot of money. In the qualifiers. Pretty smart on his part, don't you think?

Jake


No Jake I listen to the players and people like Jay and other backers, yourself you listen to KT without people like you he would still be poor! :D

I've said it many times I didn't deserve to be in a top 150, probably not a top 500, I had worked for 10 years so how could I? But it doesn't stop me wanting a tour that picks players on merit and for every player to be given an EQUAL opportunity to get selected or prove the selectors wrong. Jake we're never going to agree because you worship KT and are looking at the IPT from a different angle from me. I gave up pool a long time ago because there was no prospects in it, the IPT was a chance to get it right. Its so frustrating to see them mess up the selection so badly, there simply was no excuse for it.

PS
Linda you shouldn't feel bad, it wasn't you that created the sytem that resulted in a tour without the double world champion! Good luck

:confused:
 
jay helfert said:
I will have something to say about all this in the near future. I'm glad to see it being discussed on here.

There are valid and legitimate reasons to question any new entity, certainly until it has a proven track record.

Jay, I always respect your opinion. You are one of the few that has given his all to the game. There are those, like me, who love you and those that have less than nince things to say about you. Your track record overall speaks for itself.

When you ran the LA Expo I showed up and supported your venture even though I felt like it had a slim chance to succeed. Instead of listenening to the negativity you tried something and some of us took a chance on it along with you. You probably don't remember telling me that you couldn't figure out why you had more pool players from San Diego than LA show up to yoru event.

This is the same thing on a grander scale. Kevin's track record so far is that he has put out a lot of money to produce two gala events and set the pool world on fire. As a gambler you have to respect the fact that he posted the cash up front.

It's alright to be dissenting as Craig is doing. It's not all right to distort or ignore the facts as he is doing. So what if some players have spent $10,000 trying to get on the IPT? I spent $7,000 going to an event that I could make maybe $10,000 at and where I actually only made $5,000. At least for the 10G investment there is the chance to make a million.

At this point KT has spent far more on the production and the payouts than any promoter to date. That is a good track record so far.

John
 
Timberly said:
I bet if KT said it you would believe it. :rolleyes:

Here's why I know it to be true and you don't.... I know a lot of the players. Some of them more than 15 yrs. Who do you know, how many do you know, how long have you known them, what do you know about them other than what you read on here?

The one thing that people on here can accuse me of is being brutally honest. Do you think I just made up the fact that the majority of hard core pool players that play pool for a living don't have a computer? Think about it Jake, why would they need one? It doesn't help their game. Sheesh, half of them don't really even have a home, let alone a computer and a monthly internet bill.

Maybe since JAM reiterated what I said, you'll believe it. :rolleyes: I had guys calling me right before the open that had just heard about it from other players while at the World Summit in NYC. They wanted to know about it and how to apply. I personally helped some of them apply. But you're right, I'm lying and just making this stuff up. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Timberly,

There is simply no excuse for any serious pool player not to know about the IPT. The UPA, who calls on people in wheelchairs to solicit entry fees, was responsible for their players being informed and helping them to apply. The UPA failed their members miserably. Horribly.

The smae thing applies to the WPBA. While they were debating whether to allow their members to play, some of the players were actually applying. The WPBA and the UPA should have both applied on behalf of all of their roster and let Kevin take the top 32 of the women and the top 64 of the men and fill out the rest with whomever he wnated to. But it's because these two so-called player's organizations failed their members so badly that so many deserving players were left in limbo.

The same can be said for the WPA and all of it's member organizations. Instead of embracing a pro tour and sincerely trying to work with it they tried to use the players as pawns and got crushed. The non-pool playing administrators of these organizations don't suffer, the pool players do.

Put the blame squarely where it belongs - on the players and the organizations they trusted.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
Jay, I always respect your opinion. You are one of the few that has given his all to the game. There are those, like me, who love you and those that have less than nince things to say about you. Your track record overall speaks for itself.

When you ran the LA Expo I showed up and supported your venture even though I felt like it had a slim chance to succeed. Instead of listenening to the negativity you tried something and some of us took a chance on it along with you. You probably don't remember telling me that you couldn't figure out why you had more pool players from San Diego than LA show up to yoru event.

This is the same thing on a grander scale. Kevin's track record so far is that he has put out a lot of money to produce two gala events and set the pool world on fire. As a gambler you have to respect the fact that he posted the cash up front.

It's alright to be dissenting as Craig is doing. It's not all right to distort or ignore the facts as he is doing. So what if some players have spent $10,000 trying to get on the IPT? I spent $7,000 going to an event that I could make maybe $10,000 at and where I actually only made $5,000. At least for the 10G investment there is the chance to make a million.

At this point KT has spent far more on the production and the payouts than any promoter to date. That is a good track record so far.

John


John I really dont think Im distorting any facts, if KT had picked 125 of the best players in the world and made a few mistakes by picking a few A players we would all have forgiven him, he did far from that. If he had said ok so I messed up a bit in the selection but I wanted to reward the people who believed in me (and had computers) but I will hold fair qualifiers at a reasonable cost to give everyone else a chance most people would be happy. I have no reason to distort anything John, the fact is there are many many respectable people in pool who think the same as me, if I didn't know this I wouldnt be beating the drum. Good on Jay for coming out and saying publicly what most are thinking, its not easy because it opens you up for cheap shots. For example Jakes recent comment. But hey if we end up witha better IPT it will be worth it :D
 
onepocketchump said:
There is simply no excuse for any serious pool player not to know about the IPT. The UPA, who calls on people in wheelchairs to solicit entry fees, was responsible for their players being informed and helping them to apply. The UPA failed their members miserably. Horribly.
I agree with you on this account, but.... There are a TON of players that have long been disenchanted with the UPA and have no association whatsoever with them. Even if they had done this, there are a ton of guys that wouldn't have been contacted by them simply because they're not a part of the UPA.

You know how pool is... it's cut throat....to each his own...the only person looking out for you is you. The few players out there that do have computers and did know about it certainly weren't going to run out & shout it from the roof tops so that other players could get in on their action.

For just a sec lets forget about what the UPA & WPBA should've done. Look at the typical pool player.... they're always on the road and very, very few of them can even turn a computer on, let alone own one. (they've never needed it.) IMO, using the internet to try & round up the best players out there was a piss poor decision. Certainly it's a start but you can't just leave it at that alone and expect to get all the real, pro calibur pool players.

The last pool player I dated didn't even have an email account. I set that up for him before he went to the Expo last yr in Vegas. I told him that he can't be shopping around for sponsors in this day & age without an email account. After that, if he happend to room with the one friend of his that owned a computer, he would call me and ask me how to check his yahoo email. He had no clue how pull up the internet, let alone find yahoo & sign into his email. There are more pool players out there right now in that same situation than people realize. The same guys that I helped fill out an application to the IPT back before the US Open... I had to make them an email account on yahoo also.

Those of us that have grown accustomed to life with a computer & can't remember life without one, find it hard to believe that there are still people out there without a computer or any knowledge of them. I've seen it first hand just how few are online... at first I was shocked but once I thought it about it, it made sense. It didn't help their game any so why bother.

I spent a wkend in Dec at a tourney explaining the benefits of owning a computer to Larry Nevel. I told him that it simplifies life by being able to pull up a tournament calendar, find directions, make hotel reservations... I haven't seen him since so I don't know if he ended up getting one or not.

rackmsuckr said:
From reading posts over the last months, I have 'survivor's guilt', where I feel that I should have given my spot up long ago.
Linda I've seen where people on here have said as much and I think it's asinine. You're nicer than I am.... I personally would tell them to F off. Enjoy yourself, have the time of your life, and to hell with anyone that tries to make you feel guilty for a decision that you didn't make. KT picked you, you didn't have the power to place yourself there. Be proud that out of thousands of applications, yours stood out. ;)
 
TheOne said:
I've said it many times I didn't deserve to be in a top 150, probably not a top 500, I had worked for 10 years so how could I? But it doesn't stop me wanting a tour that picks players on merit and for every player to be given an EQUAL opportunity to get selected or prove the selectors wrong. Jake we're never going to agree because you worship KT and are looking at the IPT from a different angle from me. I gave up pool a long time ago because there was no prospects in it, the IPT was a chance to get it right. Its so frustrating to see them mess up the selection so badly, there simply was no excuse for it.

If that is the kind of tour that YOU want then YOU should start one. I just don't think that that was the kind of tour that KT wanted.

Think about it. If KT went out and got just the very best 150 players for his tour. (How he could possibly pick just the top 150 and get everyone to agree that they were the very best is beyond me). And then he says that 50 of the all time best will be dropped at the end of the year. And then he wants another 50 to spend money to qualify and compete against only the very best how many do you think would bother?

With the present selection one would be hard pressed to try and pick the top 100. Or even the top 75. Who would place a $1,000 bet that they could pick the top 50? No one would be that foolish. So what does that mean? It means that there are a whole lot of players out there that know they have a chance to put their hat in the ring and get on the tour and beat a lot of the current members. Otherwise, why are there so many playing in the qualifiers?

Fair? Who says business has to be fair. This isn't a government school where everyone passes and no one competes. This is real life. This is the business world.

As for me worshipping KT - you're nuts. I can't put it any simpler than that. I read his book and most of it is bunk. Magnatism for crying out loud. That's voodoo nonsense. And his infomercials are like all the other infomercials out there trying to get as much money from people as they can. People who have nothing, have no life, trying to get something for nothing, sending him money.

Do I know him? Nope. Do I trust him? I don't trust anyone. And I got in the habit of never trusting someone who looks me in the eye and has a big grin on his face. I immediately look to see where his hands are and they better not be in my pockets. Did you know that every con man will look the sucker in the eye, put a smile on his face, and lie through his teeth?

But so far the IPT seems to be good and I will go along with it until a time comes when I see something wrong with it. I am not going to criticize it if I don't see anything wrong. Nor am I going to compare him to Mackey, who I only know from stories.

But putting up $2,000 to try and qualify doesn't seem so bad when you compare it to the people who put up $10,000 to play poker for a chance at a million dollars.

As far as the selection process I would find it very hard to believe that KT just didn't pick the people he wanted and that was it. He really didn't care about their skill. He picked Earl, Keith, Scotty, and others like them most likely because they are characters, (I don't mean that in a negative way) the type of characters that will be good for TV and the game. And of course they are excellent player to boot.

Do you really believe that the HOF'ers actually turned in an application? I don't. I personally believe KT went to them and told them he wanted them on the Tour in return he will pay them $30,000. You don't believe they didn't jump on that deal? Hell, Ray Martin wouldn't sign a cueball for me unless I paid him $30 so I am sure he would do whatever KT wanted for 30K.

I just think that he picked the players he wanted just like a director picks the actors he wants in his movie. And I don't see anything wrong with that. It's his game, His rules.

But if the IPT lasts through 2008 then you will see nothing but the best players competing, and the weaker ones will have been cut. At that time they may have to change the selection process. They might go to a draft system like they have in sports.

I sure can't wait until the first tournament in July. I want to see a lot of money being paid out and see the smiles on all those faces. And once the tournament is over then we will all know that the IPT is for real and all the doubting Thomas' will have to eat crow. But, if on the other hand, the tournament never does happen, then the rest of us were the fools. And were duped.

My birthday is July 26th and I hope to celebrate it watching the IPT. If I am still alive.

Jake
 
The Wu factor: I wish people would drop the fact that Wu is not in the IPT and stop using it to claim the selection process was deeply flawed. He got beaten several times in the IPT qualifiers by great players who happen to be complete unknowns. He had his fair chance. Do not take it away from the players who dug deep to beat him. ;)

The computer factor: Nothing in life is fair, and not everyone has computers :( . But in any field, you have to maximize your edge and competitiveness. Computers & Internet allow maximum and rapid exchange of information. Having information is an advantage in any field. Those who had information deserve the edge that may have given them.

I've traveled in the most remote places and tiny little towns all over the world. One thing you can always count on is an Internet Cafe, even in places where running water would be a luxury :eek:. I do not give any substance to the argument that pool players were unable to get to a computer. They may be unfamiliar with computers or unwilling to set up email accounts, but that is their choice and choices have consequences. The consequence here is that they lost their edge in a selection process that obviously had to result in a small percentage of pool players (and more specifically, applicants) being selected.
 
beetle said:
I've traveled in the most remote places and tiny little towns all over the world. One thing you can always count on is an Internet Cafe, even in places where running water would be a luxury :eek:. I do not give any substance to the argument that pool players were unable to get to a computer. They may be unfamiliar with computers or unwilling to set up email accounts, but that is their choice and choices have consequences. The consequence here is that they lost their edge in a selection process that obviously had to result in a small percentage of pool players (and more specifically, applicants) being selected.
Those of us with computers know of the many ways & places to get online. I never said that they couldn't get online.

The fact of the matter is that a pool players life is far different than those of us that work a regular job and have a home & monthly bills.

I'm a firm believer in computers and how much easier life is with them and I try to encourage pool players to invest in one.

The point that I'm trying to get across is that the pool world from a real pool players standpoint is pretty much without computer access and/or knowledge. Pool players had no reason to invest in a computer unlike the rest of us. Sure there's a need NOW but up until this point, unless they were shopping around for sponsorship, they had no need for one.

I'm not trying to use this as an excuse, I'm just simply pointing it out. Other than the hall of famers, & top ranked UPA pros, a large part of the IPT is of unknowns or of people who used to play but hung it up yrs ago. A lot of these "unknowns" are people that now live outside of the pool world. They have jobs, homes, & computers. Because of this, they knew about the IPT & were able to submit in a timely manner.

KT is doing this to better pool and give the pool players the respect & money that they've never gotten in the past. That's GREAT. The only problem is a lot of those players that are struggling are not on the IPT and the folks that work & choose not to use pool as their source of income are on the IPT.

If he truly wanted the best players and he wanted to help support those players out there trying to make a living at this, using the internet as the sole source of info & contact, was not the way to go about it. If you're looking for a particular demographic then you have to meet that demographic on their level. You don't advertise your upper class product in a lower class neighborhood and you don't advertise your lower class product in an upper class neighborhood. If you do this, you won't reach your demographic.

That's all I'm trying to say here. Right or wrong, behind the times or not, the simple fact is that most pool players are not online. Period. Is it their fault? Sure it is, but again, they've had no use for a computer and the internet up until recently. Most of their time is spent in a pool hall playing pool. It could be gambling or it could be a tournament. Even with all the places popping up with wireless access, there's still not a lot of pool rooms with internet access. Even if there was, the player is at the table, not the computer. They're going to support themselves by being at the pool table, not sitting at the bar reading AZB & other pool forums.
 
After reading so many great post and points of views by so well informed people, i figured i may as well give my thoughts.

i starting playing pool in the early 60's, im almost 60 now. so this was long before the day of the computer. I wasnt a roadie, but me and a few friends did travel to near by towns to play. How did we know where the games where, Word of Mouth. There was always talk of where the games were going to take place, who was going to be playing and sometimes what the stakes were. It seems back then the informations was well shared.

Its too bad that isnt the way the IPT news went and many that could have made the tour didnt. For all those who were picked its great and even though i cant make 3 friggins balls now-a -days if i would have been picked i wouldnt give up my spot no matter who said what. Go getem Linda and best of luck to you.
 
All well and good....

Timberly said:
Those of us with computers know of the many ways & places to get online. I never said that they couldn't get online.

The fact of the matter is that a pool players life is far different than those of us that work a regular job and have a home & monthly bills.

I'm a firm believer in computers and how much easier life is with them and I try to encourage pool players to invest in one.

The point that I'm trying to get across is that the pool world from a real pool players standpoint is pretty much without computer access and/or knowledge. Pool players had no reason to invest in a computer unlike the rest of us. Sure there's a need NOW but up until this point, unless they were shopping around for sponsorship, they had no need for one.

I'm not trying to use this as an excuse, I'm just simply pointing it out. Other than the hall of famers, & top ranked UPA pros, a large part of the IPT is of unknowns or of people who used to play but hung it up yrs ago. A lot of these "unknowns" are people that now live outside of the pool world. They have jobs, homes, & computers. Because of this, they knew about the IPT & were able to submit in a timely manner.

KT is doing this to better pool and give the pool players the respect & money that they've never gotten in the past. That's GREAT. The only problem is a lot of those players that are struggling are not on the IPT and the folks that work & choose not to use pool as their source of income are on the IPT.

If he truly wanted the best players and he wanted to help support those players out there trying to make a living at this, using the internet as the sole source of info & contact, was not the way to go about it. If you're looking for a particular demographic then you have to meet that demographic on their level. You don't advertise your upper class product in a lower class neighborhood and you don't advertise your lower class product in an upper class neighborhood. If you do this, you won't reach your demographic.

That's all I'm trying to say here. Right or wrong, behind the times or not, the simple fact is that most pool players are not online. Period. Is it their fault? Sure it is, but again, they've had no use for a computer and the internet up until recently. Most of their time is spent in a pool hall playing pool. It could be gambling or it could be a tournament. Even with all the places popping up with wireless access, there's still not a lot of pool rooms with internet access. Even if there was, the player is at the table, not the computer. They're going to support themselves by being at the pool table, not sitting at the bar reading AZB & other pool forums.



Did you ever think that KT might not want the type of person that DOESN"T have or know how to use a computer. KT is trying to do something profound. He's trying to completely change the way professional pool is played AND the types of players that play pro pool.

He's trying to make it possible for pro pool players to play pool legitimately without having to go on the road and hustle and still make a decent living.

Above all he's trying to make money and corner a market that has been relatively untapped compared to other similarly popular sports (not talking about the watching and interested in the pro aspect, talking about the playing aspect, because the watching aspect can be changed through proper marketing)

So in short, it's change with the times or keep that buggy whip company, because everyone knows that the car companies aren't going to make it....
 
ccn7 said:
How did we know where the games where, Word of Mouth. There was always talk of where the games were going to take place, who was going to be playing and sometimes what the stakes were. It seems back then the informations was well shared.
Not too much has changed since then. Back in Dec when I was talking to Larry Nevel about getting a computer.... the conversation came up because he said that he happend upon the tournament by accident.

It was the Tiger Planet Pool season finale & Larry was on his way north. He & Jeff Abernathy were at a pool room in VA (IIRC) and someone mentioned the tournament to them so they stopped by. (Larry won that event).

I explained to Larry that it's much easier with a computer... you can pick out tournaments weeks, months, even yrs ahead of time. With so many regional tours out there these days, it's impossible to keep up with them all.

;)
 
Timberly said:
Not too much has changed since then. Back in Dec when I was talking to Larry Nevel about getting a computer.... the conversation came up because he said that he happend upon the tournament by accident.

It was the Tiger Planet Pool season finale & Larry was on his way north. He & Jeff Abernathy were at a pool room in VA (IIRC) and someone mentioned the tournament to them so they stopped by. (Larry won that event).

I explained to Larry that it's much easier with a computer... you can pick out tournaments weeks, months, even yrs ahead of time. With so many regional tours out there these days, it's impossible to keep up with them all.

;)

Oh your so right about having a computer in this day and age. It does seems strange to us that have had them since the beginning that there are some who dont. I find it funny people still use dial up. Im so thankful for my computer, i mean how else would i know whats going on at all the big tournments. And i wouldnt have ever had the chance to make friends with some great people like yourself.You and JAM do a top notch job of keeping us well informed. Maybe KT could offer Laptops to all players while on tour, and give lesson on how to use them. Keep the players on tour well informed of whats happening around the world.
 
Evolution

Quite frankly, the IPt has put new requiremnts on Pool Players, and in a
way, challenged them to become the Professionals that they all claim they
want to be. What effect does this have? Pool players have to realize
that they have to evolve from 'hustling' into 'businessmen' (or women),
and that they conduct themselves that way.

In order to compete as a businessman, you have to use all the tools available to you in order to reach your goals.

Yes, Most players don't have a computer, and most have just the roll in their pocket, but all of them have friends they have made, many in every city they come across, and THOSE friends have computers. It is not hard to have a friend act as an intermediary for an email account for the player,
and ALL OF THE PLAYERS have cell phones. They can receive emails
on their phones.

I told James Walden last weekend that I probably could set up matches for him via the internet, it peaked his interest a little, but we did not go into
the details of doing that.

Most of the players nowdays realize there is a lot of talk on the net, and that their names pop up now and then.
I am just saying that Pool Players are going to have to evolve in their
methods if they want to be considered as a Professional. Times are
changing, and they need to make some changes to adapt to it.
How a player presents himself in the future will become more important.
 
Back to the topic at hand, there will be 50 qualifiers taking place in the next couple of months, 50 more opportunities for a player to come to Vegas and compete for a $2-million purse. First place is $350,000 and second place is $90,000 and some change (I think). Man, can you imagine the tension in that finals match. :D

If they do well in the 2006 tournament, the 2007 tour card will be sure to follow due to the points, and the top six, if I remember correctly, of the Vegas event, in particular, are automatically invited to a "Master's" event later that year, another multi-million-dollar pot of monies.

If a pool room holds a qualifier, pre-pays the $1,000 entry fee(s) to the IPT, and only two players show up to the qualifier, one of them is going to Vegas, or do two from each qualifier get to go to Vegas? :o

There will be 50 player non-members and 150 player members in the Vegas tournament. Do two players get in with each IPT qualifier, as it has been, or is it that only one player per qualifier comes to Vegas for the first official event? In other words, there will be 25 upcoming IPT qualifiers, and not 50, before July?

JAM
 
JAM said:
Back to the topic at hand, there will be 50 qualifiers taking place in the next couple of months, 50 more opportunities for a player to come to Vegas and compete for a $2-million purse. First place is $350,000 and second place is $90,000 and some change (I think). Man, can you imagine the tension in that finals match. :D

If they do well in the 2006 tournament, the 2007 tour card will be sure to follow due to the points, and the top six, if I remember correctly, of the Vegas event, in particular, are automatically invited to a "Master's" event later that year, another multi-million-dollar pot of monies.

If a pool room holds a qualifier, pre-pays the $1,000 entry fee(s) to the IPT, and only two players show up to the qualifier, one of them is going to Vegas, or do two from each qualifier get to go to Vegas? :o

There will be 50 player non-members and 150 player members in the Vegas tournament. Do two players get in with each IPT qualifier, as it has been, or is it that only one player per qualifier comes to Vegas for the first official event? In other words, there will be 25 upcoming IPT qualifiers, and not 50, before July?

JAM

There will be 25 qualifiers with two spots each as per denos email, we are still awaiting clarification on the costs but we are all assuming it will be $1000 based on the IPT website. If it was a lower entry for the qualifiers but then the two players who qualified then pay $1000 to enter the main event it would be fantastic news for the players that missed out.

Jake, own up you have all KT books don't you!? :D

I'm quite sure I'm not the only person that wants to see a professional pool tour with the best players on the world chosen on merit, yes it will eventual happen, but call my an idealist but there was no reason why it couldn't have happened already.

PS
Why is it that the WPC has widely been accepted as the toughest field and hardest tournament to win in recent times? Do many people question the validity of the Champion each year? Of course not, so why is this? Are the people at matchroom much smarter than KT? Is Matchroom not a business too, is it not interested in making money? Again of course not, Mr Hearn is widely known to be more interested in a profit than the good of pool (and I don't blame him). But the most ironic thing is the WPC came up with their selection criteria themselves, there wasn't anything to copy. The IPT didn't have any excuse to mess it up so badly!

So again I say, the IPT selection process has cocked up and computers or no computers there is/was no excuse for it.

Does anyone know what happens if players don't turn up for an event, the IPT "system" as it stands doesn't seem to even cater for this? :confused:
 
Jaden said:
Did you ever think that KT might not want the type of person that DOESN"T have or know how to use a computer. KT is trying to do something profound. He's trying to completely change the way professional pool is played AND the types of players that play pro pool.

He's trying to make it possible for pro pool players to play pool legitimately without having to go on the road and hustle and still make a decent living.
He can't have his cake & eat it too.... if he doesn't want people that don't have a computer (:rolleyes: ) but he wants to help pool players.... impossible to do both because most pro calibur players don't have computers.

You say that he's trying to make it possible for pro pool players to play pool legitimately without having to go on the road & hustle. That's what I said. The problem is that a large group of people on tour are not those kind of players. They're people that do not use pool as an income because they have jobs. Meanwhile, the pool players are still having to go on the road & hustle in order to eat. The pool player that's doing that doesn't have a computer.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall here. I'm not going to repeat myself again & again in so many different ways in hopes that everyone gets it. I've spelled it out as best as I can. Either you get what I'm saying or you don't. I do know that threads like this and the ones about sponsorship have taught me just how little most on here know about the life & times of a pool player.

I'm at the point that I can't even read this thread anymore. If someone responds to one of my posts... I'm sorry, I won't see it. If someone still doesn't understand me.... all I can say is go back & read all the posts that I've made regarding this. You're either going to get it or you're not.

ccn7 said:
Maybe KT could offer Laptops to all players while on tour, and give lesson on how to use them. Keep the players on tour well informed of whats happening around the world.
If I'm not mistaken, at the KOTH tourney in FL, PC's were available for the players to use. Other than Tony Crosby, I've yet to come across a player that cares about updating the fan base. Girlfriends & wives can hardly get an update out of a player.... they're not going to jump on the computer & update us. :(
 
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Well, Kimberly decided to just put her head in the sand and ignore the facts.

Like all the pool players who miraculously know how to play internet poker. In fact I know one who was so involved in the game that he decided to to forfeit his match in Tampa during a FPT stop.

So, no, I do not feel sorry for anyone who did not make the IPT. That is just so negative. Rather, I feel happy for the players who stepped up and did their homework and made it to the IPT.

Do you think this person should be accepted to the IPT. Would you want him to represent your company?
 

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