now that's funny!
maybe get in a little rape & assorted mayhem if you can work it into your schedule
League players should be so proud...
- Thread starter Mowem down
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maybe get in a little rape & assorted mayhem if you can work it into your schedule
Mowem down its unfortunate that your local pool hall is switching from 9' to 7's but what can you do. They are only looking at things from a business perspective. If you can put 2 tables in place of 1 and have more business that is what they will do. I would'nt hate on the league players though. Most league players go out to have a good time, socialize, escape from work, wife, whatever. There are those who do go out on a regular basis and try to learn the beautiful game regardless of what size table it is on. Every size table requires a different style of play. Bigger tables = longer shots and probably not as critical shape, smaller table = shorter shots and more clusters where shape may be more of a critical factor. I own a tight 7' and if I had the room I would definately get a 9' but I don't. This does not mean that I fear the larger tables. Most cases if you can shoot good on one you can shoot just as well on the other with minor adjustments. Good luck finding another poolhall with 9's I know my city keeps eliminating them 
joelpope...Wow! What a bunch of lowlifes you have in your league...sans the punks like Geometry though! 
:thumbup: Can we please have MORE of them! Pretty please!!!
Oh, and don't worry about Geometry. He can't seem to find his HOOD! LOL
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
:thumbup: Can we please have MORE of them! Pretty please!!!Oh, and don't worry about Geometry. He can't seem to find his HOOD! LOL
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
yeah, we make them check the ties and wingtips at the doorjoelpope...Wow! What a bunch of lowlifes you have in your league...sans the punks like Geometry though!
Oh, and don't worry about Geometry. He can't seem to find his HOOD! LOL
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
not a big Obama room
Well, I have played league without missing a session for the past 9 years. Lets see, I like to drink but have never been classified or acted like an alcoholic. No addictions here other than guns and pool not that I think either are too bad. I did quit those pesky addicting cigarettes over 3 years ago, so I am going to say I am free of any bad addictions. Lets see, jail, well I was handcuffed and thrown behind bars for about 30 minutes when I was in high school for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Nothing on the record for it, and surprisingly I never saw the pool table to play on during my brief stay. So I don't think I fall into any of your stereotypes for league players.
I am not sure where you are playing league at, but I have been fortunate enough to play league with all types of people including many small business owners, corporate professionals, law enforcement, lawyers, and I even had a Doctor on my team for several years. I don't recall any convicts, but I do recall a cross-dresser or two.
As far as the shooting ability of league players, come on over to Raleigh and I bet you can find a bunch of league players that will play you some. We have a bunch of what we call "Super 7's", a handicap of 7 in 8-ball and a 9 in 9-ball. Just be ready, one of them has been known to beat a pro or two. If you think he will be too tough for you to handle there are quite a few not too far behind his level of playing. Since he is a "league player", I am sure you can take him!
I think Mowem is being unfairly chastised in this thread. While the league players are a necessary part of pool, and deserve the right to play and have fun at their own level, it is easy to see the frustration of what is happening in his area from a serious players stand point. Imagine you were a serious golfer, and the courses started decreasing the length of all the holes because people complained they were too long. Or, if mens baseball leagues made the infield smaller so people could make the throw easier. It may serve some purpose, but certainly the seroius players would not enjoy this. I would hate it if all the 9 ft tables in my area were removed. He simply made a point. Pointing out the other side is one thing, but the condesending tone of many of the replies (not necessarily the one quoted above) seems a little harsh.
the venom comes from you being completely ignorant and insulting. how exactly did i prove your point? by pointing out that you are most likely a nit who won't pay table time, won't spend money on food or drink in a room. please oh please can we have more "gamblers" and "real" players like you in the pool halls. you guys do so much for the game. and the best part is i almost never see the "gamblers" gambling. they sit around talking about it, yelling about it, comparing who needs what weight. but they almost never actually do it. no - you really are my hero. i don't want to play leagues or tournaments anymore, or bet a few bucks to make the game interesting. i wanna be just like you. a nit on an internet forum trying to make people mad. you're the best, the best nit on the net.
for a fact - you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground
Thats a damn shame, I have seen it myself. I had a guy supervising some construction work at my house-he has played league for 20 years. SVB happened to be here-so I go grab the guy and ask him if he knows shane, this was over a year ago when he was on EVERY cover of every pool rag there is, he had no clue who Shane was and he was amazied at the size of the table.....a 9' GC. I didnt bother showing him the 12' snooker box.
this disconnect between pool and leagues is poisen in the long run, no doubt about it.
best
fatboy
Pool leagues and their players will always be a point o controversy. Years ago, I remember discussing this for what seemed like forever with Scott Lee and he was a die hard APA supporter then too. I was in the local VNEA league. At that time, as an arrogant young snot, I liked leading off and playing the best guy the other team could offer. I won enough to stay #1 on my team and we got quite a ways locally.
The APA's strength is they feel like their system can match up 2's to 7's on a 7' bb. IMO, it can't. A 7 will generally be pissed matching up against a 2. Often a safe or whack at 'em by a lesser player just creates a problem spot for you, but does nothing to advance the lower players cause. As a higher player, you are left cleaning up, breaking clusters formed by bangers instead of playing the game.
How does that crap help me when I'm playing $100 sets on an 8 or 9 footer with less than 2 ball pockets?
All pool is good pool, but I hate playing with people who have no desire. This is true in most areas of my life. I would rather play with some ass who wants to win so bad he is cussing me every round than a person who is just glad to get out and have a drink.
How does this apply to table size. 8 footers are standard, but with tight pockets they are hard. 9 footers are even harder. 7 footers...let's face it, a 7 footer with 2.5 ball pockets is kind of like cancelling the reading program at the elementary school! In effect you you are inviting players without passion to play and feel some success.
If your pool room can't keep 8 and 9 foot tables full, it is time to think about your rates and how you are promoting pool. My old room had 2 7'bb, 1 9' and like 10 8'. 8's filled first, then the 9 and sometimes a game was played on the bb, not so often and usually by players who should have checked about renting a stroke!
The APA's strength is they feel like their system can match up 2's to 7's on a 7' bb. IMO, it can't. A 7 will generally be pissed matching up against a 2. Often a safe or whack at 'em by a lesser player just creates a problem spot for you, but does nothing to advance the lower players cause. As a higher player, you are left cleaning up, breaking clusters formed by bangers instead of playing the game.
How does that crap help me when I'm playing $100 sets on an 8 or 9 footer with less than 2 ball pockets?
All pool is good pool, but I hate playing with people who have no desire. This is true in most areas of my life. I would rather play with some ass who wants to win so bad he is cussing me every round than a person who is just glad to get out and have a drink.
How does this apply to table size. 8 footers are standard, but with tight pockets they are hard. 9 footers are even harder. 7 footers...let's face it, a 7 footer with 2.5 ball pockets is kind of like cancelling the reading program at the elementary school! In effect you you are inviting players without passion to play and feel some success.
If your pool room can't keep 8 and 9 foot tables full, it is time to think about your rates and how you are promoting pool. My old room had 2 7'bb, 1 9' and like 10 8'. 8's filled first, then the 9 and sometimes a game was played on the bb, not so often and usually by players who should have checked about renting a stroke!
With all due to respect to the man with thee greatest house I've ever seen
I'm not sure that the SVB argument is valid.It's not the league players fault that pro pool isn't mainstream. I know quite a few (league) players who are very much into pool. Playing often, not just on league night. I bet almost none of them would even know the name SVB, much less be able to pick him out of a lineup. Hell, I'm on this forum WAY too much every day, and I don't know if I'd be able to pick him out of a lineup. Yes, I know many of the "names" now, which is probably more than most league players in my part of the world. But that doesn't diminish those players passion for the game. Even if they don't play long sets for big bucks.
Golf is probably far more popular than pool, and most certainly has a MUCH bigger media presence. But other than Tiger, Phil and maybe John Daly (for all the wrong reasons), the average player wouldn't know many of the top pro's. They go to play, and to enjoy the game that they love.
How does that "diminish" either game, golf or pool?
Those who aspire to be great in anything will always rise to the top. Those who don't care will stay where they are. And there will always be a large group in between. "Poison?" Really?
This problem (which is really not much of a problem imo) could easily be fixed if your (and mine) local poolhall would take down a lot of the BEER posters, flags/pennants, and the like and replace them with posters of professional poolplayers. Just don't take the posters down with the pretty women on them
. Also, the establishment could purchase monthly a few copies of pool magazines and place one on every few bar tables or so. But really, a lot of places don't care if anyone in their joint knows anything about pool or poolplayers. The just want to sell booze, food, table time, and hope that the juke box stays playing.I LOVE bass fishing, but I couldn't name five of the modern day touring pros (I still remember names like Jimmy Houston, Rick Clunn, Tommy Martin, etc.)
I LOVE benchrest rifle shooting, but I cannot name one single top marksman in the country.
I LIKE bowling, but I could only name a handful of the top bowlers in the country.
Loving a sport and knowing names of top participants in said sports do not have to go hand-in-hand for one to himself/herself participate in a given sport and enjoy it.
JMHO.
Maniac
interesting...
...points of view from folks.
It seems to me that with some folks who claim to be 'superior' players there seems to be no gray area when it comes to "no skilled league players", they tend to be condescending, donning ten gallon elitist cowboy hats whilst spouting hate and venom towards other fellow people - pool playing comrades. Or they are happy, content even that the exposure pool in general gets from the thousands of league playing members and view them as a great addition to the world of pool - a required cog in the wheel that makes pool popular and keeps it prevalent and easily accessible to most.
Steve H
...points of view from folks.
It seems to me that with some folks who claim to be 'superior' players there seems to be no gray area when it comes to "no skilled league players", they tend to be condescending, donning ten gallon elitist cowboy hats whilst spouting hate and venom towards other fellow people - pool playing comrades. Or they are happy, content even that the exposure pool in general gets from the thousands of league playing members and view them as a great addition to the world of pool - a required cog in the wheel that makes pool popular and keeps it prevalent and easily accessible to most.
Steve H
fatboy i have to disagree a little on the basis of that story. i hear that crap all the time about how all league players are dumbasses and don't know anything about the "real" game, and don't care to. alot of us do. alot of us pay for tar streams. alot of us really care. it was that way when i lived in florida and it's been that way since i moved to atlanta so i am not willing to say it's just because of where i live. me and my girlfriend walked in to mr. cues on friday night to play in a tournament and before i had time to clock the room she says, "hey monica's here tonight. i wonder if she's playin' or lookin' for a game? maybe we'll somethin' tonight". i look up and sure enough monica webb was in the corner playing. there's about 50 of us in three different rooms i play in that can quote word for word the joe rogan "earl strickland" bit and then quote the real earl. the disconect between leagues and professional pool is only existant in those who wish not care about the pro game. there are plenty of people who play soft ball who couldn't care less about mlb and i'll bet they couldn't pick c.c. sabathia out of a line up. doesn't mean soft ball is bad for baseball and i don't think leagues are bad for pool.
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Most league players in my area , are just that . They will railbird a $10 entry
fee tournament and not play . They are a different breed . Maybe 10 out of 100 will play . The rest just want to talk
fee tournament and not play . They are a different breed . Maybe 10 out of 100 will play . The rest just want to talk
nksmfamjp said:
No different then where I live here in york pa. there is no where you can play on 9ft tables any more unless your a member of a club. I play at the yankee with 9 ft gold crowns as much as I can but they had to get a 7ft table because they got booted out of the leagues because no one wants to play on 9 footers. oh well...checkers sell more then chess I guess. lol
Our game is in trouble here in york....We have no where for you to go to play the game unless your old enough to drink. That doesn't bode well for the future talent levels here. Were heading to a bunch of casual players and few who truely play this game on a daily basis and are trying to get better.
Our game is in trouble here in york....We have no where for you to go to play the game unless your old enough to drink. That doesn't bode well for the future talent levels here. Were heading to a bunch of casual players and few who truely play this game on a daily basis and are trying to get better.
Let me just say, I have many friends who play league tournaments. Some play good, some bad. The problem I have is the certain leaque players who have called people who gamble playing pool as scumbags and thiefs. I also don't know how leaque pool has helped build the sport. Who's makes the money? the bars,leaque dues,cue makers, intructors and anyone marketing in pool related goods, but how has this helped the top players? I quit for many years, and back then the poolrooms did well without the leaques,now their dead. We should also understand you can't paint everyone with a broad brush when it comes to people on any subject. We are all different in our own ways. What makes you happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, do it. To much hate on this subject!