League... Yes/No?

League. Yes or No?


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JasonS

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I've set up a team for my local bar through my county's VNEA league so I could understand leagues a bit more for the sake my website and my overall competence of pool... I had strictly been a tournament player on 9' tables sine I started playing and throughout those few years I've only heard nasty things about leagues. From what I can tell is this league (VNEA) isn't bad. We had a lot of fun in our first match and I can only imagine great times to be had throughout the season.

With respect to those who've taught me everything I know so far in professional tournament play, I'd like to get some input from other people about leagues.

The question is, from a tournament player's mindset, would you play in a league? The poll is a simple yes/no, but a brief explaination would be much appreciated.
 
As a tournament player, I will probably never take up league. I stick to as many tournaments as possible, or play highly-skilled friends if there are no tournaments available that day.

I played BCA and APA several years ago. I swore off APA after two sessions, and the BCA league was too far away for me. I might try BCAPL if the opportunity ever arises, but with a family my pool time is usually reserved for tournaments as they are the most valuable self-improvement tool for me at this point.
 
I play in an ACS 8ball league. It's with a few friends and we have a good time. I play to try and win my matches, but I don't get upset if we lose the round. It's a fun night and good competition. We are in first right now, but if we end up out of the money it's ok with me.

I agree that tournament play is better competition, but it is fun and there are some decent players in my league.
 
Depends on the league system

If the league system plays by the same rules on the same equipment as the tournaments are played (we're talking 8-ball and 9-ball here), I don't see why not.

However, methinks APA rules on a barbox would not be a good mix with tournaments played by BCA rules on a 9-footer. For one thing, your cue ball control would suffer (think of the Valley rock vs. a standard cue ball, bar box vs big table). Second, specifically with 9-ball, it's very easy to lose sight of the objective when, in the back recesses of your mind (from APA), you're thinking "total ball point count" vs. sinking that 9-ball as the ultimate objective.

So my answer is a qualified "yes." Qualified, because it depends on the league system, as mentioned above.

Hope this is helpful,
-Sean
 
I play league to have a good night out with my friends. We have a ball. Don't get me wrong, we are there to win, but we are also there to spend some time with each other and cut up.
The league is BCA, we go to Vegas every year, and our league is a very tough one (with 14 teams) with a ton of excellent players so the competition is brutal.
 
If I were a serious tournament player, I'd play in ONE league night during the week to work on things that I have been PRACTICING during the weekdays. If you practice something, it has to be tested under conditions not unlike those you are going to be in at a tournament. And what better way to test your what you have learned or are learning in practice, than to test them out in a league under competition conditions.

But....like one poster said, I'd try to find a league that uses equipment similar to that in which you are accustomed to using in most of your tourneys.

Maniac
 
I play league because it is another night of pool and fun. Luckily the APA 9 ball league I play in plays out of a nice pool hall with all 9 footers and the tables were recently re-felted with tournament blue simonis cloth.

They seem to always put me up for a match, but even if they didn't I wouldn't care because I practice for hours on very nice equipment. :yeah:
 
I play league for two reasons. First, it's a fun night of playing pool with friends in a competitive atmosphere.
Second, it's good for my business as there are a lot of potential students in league, and I get to know them, and they get to know me.

Steve
 
My one try with a LEAGUE lasted one night, it was unorganized, not run player friendly, we were told to meet at place “A”, then moved cross town to place “B”. The bar we wound up at, and play in was a PLACE I would not go back too. It was a DRUNKS BAR, with Pool TABLES! NO THANK.
 
I play league for two reasons. First, it's a fun night of playing pool with friends in a competitive atmosphere.
Second, it's good for my business as there are a lot of potential students in league, and I get to know them, and they get to know me.

Steve

Steve:

Actually, I think the OP was asking the question specifically from a tournament player's mindset, not of league play in general:

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The question is, from a tournament player's mindset, would you play in a league?
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I agree, though, that league play is fun (I play in a traveling league for that reason). And yes, if you're in the pool business end of things, the league itself can be a sort of harvesting field (for lack of a better term).

-Sean
 
I say "yes". Pool is fun. People who care more about winning money than having fun probably shouldn't be playing in leagues.

I have only played in a league for one season, and I had fun every night even if I lost all of my games. The minute I stop having fun playing pool, is the minute I give it up.
 
The game has came a long way, thanks to leagues!

I think that leagues have introduced more players to the game, young & old, removed some of the trouble players that always starting problems and giving the game a bad rap.

I started playing in the late 50's in a bowling alley where I was in a junior bowling league. As my skill improved and I got a fake ID at 18 I started to go into pool rooms and bars and started playing for money, some I venture to say were totally the wrong places to go into, but as you know you took the chance for a score.

In 1965 I got married and was drafted into the Army 3 months later, I played on post and off post in bars for extra income to support us. In 1967 I returned home from Vietnam, got a job and starting playing again to support my family. Playing for $20 or $50 a game I made a weeks salary on the week ends, but it wasn't always easy. I've had knifes held to my throat, trapped in rest rooms with guy holding a knife to my back, people hold guns on me and shot at me. I've seen people cut up, stabbed, shot and killed, not the best of times but I was lucky, I'm still here. The game really had a bad reputation at that time.

In 1979 I had a bad motorcycle accident and quit playing for about 5 years till I was able to get around again, then I started playing a little in the American Legion where I was a member. My son would go with me at time and play but I discouraged him from playing because I did not want to see him getting into that seen. In 1986 a pool room opened in the town close to us and started to get heavily into playing again! In 1987 Randy G. introduce leagues to our pool room, we started with 5 teams, next year we had 8 teams and my son was 21 and started playing against my wishes. I still had the conception from the past.

By the 90's I saw a tremendous change in the game, experienced players were helping and teaching new players to play. You could see that the hustling days were ending because everyone was learning who to play and not to step out of you skill level till your ready to move up. Families were playing and the kid were allowed to come in and play with their parents and play in league. By this time we have improved our league teams to 16.

So, you be the judge on what you think about leagues, but if you were not in the hard time of the game you will not understand. Yes, I agree their are good and bad leagues (well I should not say bad leagues, just need to improve the management of them). My conception is get involve in what ever league is in your area, if you see the running is not to your liking, move to another, but do not give up on the game.

I have played and ran tournament all over the US and very, very seldom have I seen or heard of any real trouble. Lot of woofing, but that just part of the game which is in every sport (getting into someones head).

The last word here is thanks to the leagues and to Randy G. for introducing them to me and my family, we have made a world of new friends in this great game and never before had so much fun of playing together.
 
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A greenie for papa red...great post!

Still, no league for me. Health reasons prevent me from signing up. I'd hate to let people down on those nights I couldn't make it...which would be frequent. I play recreationally on "good days"...:)
 
A greenie for papa red...great post!

Still, no league for me. Health reasons prevent me from signing up. I'd hate to let people down on those nights I couldn't make it...which would be frequent. I play recreationally on "good days"...:)

I don't think your teammates would think that as long as they know the situation. Just don't give up, keep the desire for life and ever thing else as long as possible.

Hope your health and your games improves!

Good luck!
Charlie
 
My one try with a LEAGUE lasted one night, it was unorganized, not run player friendly, we were told to meet at place “A”, then moved cross town to place “B”. The bar we wound up at, and play in was a PLACE I would not go back too. It was a DRUNKS BAR, with Pool TABLES! NO THANK.
Don't they have league at your community center?:confused:
 
Leagues can be good and bad depending on the people in them and the locations where they are played. I have only played in APA leagues and they have all been in-house leagues with 9' tables. I have been lucky to play with some very nice people and have some great competition. I am all for leagues, but I'm sure everyone's situation is not the same as mine.
 
No, no, no, no, no, no!

I played in a league once. The league director was also in charge of putting together the three-player teams. She made sure to put herself on a team with two of the best players in the league. She didn't know me so she asked how good I was, and I said I was pretty good. So she put me with one guy who could run 2 or 3 balls on a wide open table (8 ball), and another guy who didn't know which end of the cue to hold.

Long story short, we went undefeated during the regular season, then played her team in the finals, and lost because my teammate who didn't know which end of the cue to hold couldn't run 2 balls sitting in front of the pockets with ball in hand in the final game. Anyway, I know that's not what you were asking about really, but it feels good to get that off my chest!

Generally speaking, in my experience at least leagues have too many poor players who are just there to drink and socialize, and the equipment can be very poor as well. Some of them act like if you take the competition seriously you are some kind of a**hole.

So from my perspective at least I'd say playing in a league is a bad idea for a serious tournament player. OTOH, if it's a genuinely competitive league with serious players playing on real equipment, go for it.
 
League play

League play is different everywhere you go. If you are a 9 or 10 speed you probably wont care for league pool and some folks will think you really don't belong. It really is an amateur type thing and a 10 speed is no amateur. I love to play great players cause they are usually the best in town and I just like to watch them play. Everybody I play with likes to get out of the house, drink some brewskies, and show pics of the fish and deer and war stories and girls and snakes and all important things like that. Enjoy the night and help us regular players learn something. Give something back to this great game.
 
League

My experience was in the Busch leagues , too many sandbaggers, too many loaded up teams and my own captain caused a fight nearly every time we played over something. I won a tournament for 6s and went to Indianapolis to play other 6s and one of them was from the pool room I went to and he always beat me giving me the 7 ball. I played waaay over my head and got it to the hill game and lost. I hear the same stories from people about the new leagues so I am not inclined to want to play in them at all. If you play in them and enjoy it I wish you success and happiness, I wish I could too.
 
Play, have fun. If you don't like it, then you can stop. It's not like you're signing a contract. Just like in tournaments, you'll eventually have to deal with people that you'd rather not have to, but that's on them.

Just please.. please.. don't be one of those douchebags that whines about sandbagging, league rules, etc.

And besides, maybe some dolt that thinks leagues are for hacks will donate some money for your dues.
 
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