Learn with an aiming system or not

SJDinPHX said:
Good point Mr.Greek!..Unlike ChicagoRJ, who can not understand why he is still an APA 3, after 30 yrs. of trying various 'aiming systems'!..He wonders why a guy like FastLenny, has flown past him, in less than half the time? ;)




PS..But, like the typical Chicagoan, he will ignore common sense, even when Lenny explains it to him! :embarrassed2:
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IF a pro tells you, he just visualizes the shot and shoots it, he's not telling the truth. Heaven forbid he says he visualizes the cueball colliding with object ball.



But, if he says he uses the side of the ferrule, or the side of the shaft 2 inches past his bridge hand, he's telling the truth.
Or he has this air pivot system, he's telling the truth.
 
SJDinPHX said:
Good point Mr.Greek!..Unlike ChicagoRJ, who can not understand why he is still an APA 3, after 30 yrs. of trying various 'aiming systems'!..He wonders why a guy like FastLenny, has flown past him, in less than half the time? ;)




PS..But, like the typical Chicagoan, he will ignore common sense, even when Lenny explains it in detail to him! :embarrassed2:
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Lenny uses an aiming system. And Rodney told me that he was taught to aim at portions of the ball in Hawaii. He said on the video that he uses GB....couple years ago he mentioned being shown some CTE by Stevie Moore.

I found it interesting that Rodney uses backhand English.
 
JoeyInCali said:
IF a pro tells you, he just visualizes the shot and shoots it, he's not telling the truth. Heaven forbid he says he visualizes the cueball colliding with object ball.



But, if he says he uses the side of the ferrule, or the side of the shaft 2 inches past his bridge hand, he's telling the truth.
Or he has this air pivot system, he's telling the truth.
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Ok, if both are true why do you rag on one of them?
 
tip points to 1/4 of the object ball - pivot to center.....what shot does this work for to insure it's never a sell out?
 
JB Cases said:
Lenny uses an aiming system. And Rodney told me that he was taught to aim at portions of the ball in Hawaii. He said on the video that he uses GB....couple years ago he mentioned being shown some CTE by Stevie Moore. I found it interesting that Rodney uses backhand English.
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Nothing wrong with Rodney or Lenny having a 'pet' aiming system!..But unlike you, and Chi.RJ, they both realize that HAMB and being in action, is FAR more important! Both of your 'snails pace' progress, should readily bear that out! :embarrassed2:
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Like you're never coming back to AZB again?
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If I said that I changed my mind. Was gone for over a year and the same trolls are still trolling in the same way.

People like you make azb unpleasant.

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SJDinPHX said:
Nothing wrong with Rodney or Lenny having a 'pet' aiming system!..But unlike you, and Chi.RJ, they both realize that HAMB and being in action, is FAR more important! Both of your 'snails pace' progress, should readily bear that out! :embarrassed2:
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Never said table time is not important. You delight in essentially having conversations with yourself about how great it was back in the day.

No one has said any aiming system by itself will make a person a good player. No one who likes aiming systems said that hitting balls is not important.

You keep making shit up as if that's what the premise is. It's not.

The premise is simple, aiming systems exist to assist with AIMING. Stroke, speed, sidespin, patterns, etc are all OTHER aspects of the game which also require table time. Any aiming system requires table time to really learn it.

So I know you like to revel in past glories but the world has moved on and people today have more resources to learn every aspect of the game and use their table time in more efficient ways than you had. Thus players can get better faster if they are dedicated.




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duckie said:
Got a pic of that 1/2 ball hit yet?
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Greg I am going to do a very special video for you and the arrow using some posts you have made. I will directly quote you and then discuss your assertions.

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JB Cases said:
If I said that I changed my mind. Was gone for over a year and the same trolls are still trolling in the same way.

People like you make azb unpleasant.

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Right, so you can argue in thousands and thousands and thousands of words over and over and over again.
Then call the people who don't agree with you, trolls.
Get in more flaming wars.
Then you'll swear off this place again. Then come back again.
You're not being trolled. You're trolling yourself.


It's not the place dude. It's you.
 
I invented the HEC method in 1967 at the age of twelve. "Hand Eye Coordination". It combines good stroke with good aiming, a hybrid system so to speak.

I would have become a professional pool player or pro golfer when I was younger, but I effed up and got married at nineteen. That damn family stuff interferes with practicing anything eight hours a day. Oh well, pool is still a great game and golf is fun!
 
I don't think learning an aiming system has made anyone great, nor will it ever do so. All the so called greats who use systems were great before they ever started using them, with exceptions for those who were very young and bound to improve anyway. You see, if you are young and somewhat talented and spend enough time at the poolhall, you can get good doing any nonsense at all (within reason). But those are not the people who buy aiming systems, are they? The people who buy aiming systems are league players stuck at a mediocre level (for the most part).

This thread has been completely derailed by long winded nonsense. So here is the skinny:
If you are an adult male/female of 20+ years, have been playing for a long time and are not improving (and you suck), then I'd not suggest an aiming system for you at all. You need a full overhaul of your stroke, stance and alignment and to revise your game. You are doing stuff wrong. That's the truth. No magical aiming fairy is going to transform your game. It's going to be a lot of work, so you'd better be motivated for it.

You are shooting the wrong shots, your stroke is terrible and your alignment sucks (either of those or most likely a combination of all of them). I can say this without having ever seen you hit a ball, because pool is a very honest game. The balls tell no lies. You no run out, you no shoot good. If you can't reliably run out games of 8 and 9 ball on reasonable tables then that should tell you more than anyone on here ever could. The one exception is that you may be going blind. There is no cure for that.

The people who sell you DVD's are preying on your gullibility and your dreams. Of course they'll tell you the pros have a secret they're holding back from you! It can be all yours for 80 bucks...L O L. Good players have talent, they practice the right things. When you are randomly hitting balls or bullshitting with your friends, Shane is hitting breakshots over and over and over again. That's what being a pro means.
 
A forty page thread on aiming in the main forum when there's a forum dedicated to aiming so that people won't post about aiming on the main forum......

.......irony.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
I don't think learning an aiming system has made anyone great, nor will it ever do so. All the so called greats who use systems were great before they ever started using them, with exceptions for those who were very young and bound to improve anyway. You see, if you are young and somewhat talented and spend enough time at the poolhall, you can get good doing any nonsense at all (within reason). But those are not the people who buy aiming systems, are they? The people who buy aiming systems are league players stuck at a mediocre level (for the most part).

This thread has been completely derailed by long winded nonsense. So here is the skinny:
If you are an adult male/female of 20+ years, have been playing for a long time and are not improving (and you suck), then I'd not suggest an aiming system for you at all. You need a full overhaul of your stroke, stance and alignment and to revise your game. You are doing stuff wrong. That's the truth. No magical aiming fairy is going to transform your game. It's going to be a lot of work, so you'd better be motivated for it.

You are shooting the wrong shots, your stroke is terrible and your alignment sucks (either of those or most likely a combination of all of them). I can say this without having ever seen you hit a ball, because pool is a very honest game. The balls tell no lies. You no run out, you no shoot good. If you can't reliably run out games of 8 and 9 ball on reasonable tables then that should tell you more than anyone on here ever could. The one exception is that you may be going blind. There is no cure for that.

The people who sell you DVD's are preying on your gullibility and your dreams. Of course they'll tell you the pros have a secret they're holding back from you! It can be all yours for 80 bucks...L O L. Good players have talent, they practice the right things. When you are randomly hitting balls or bullshitting with your friends, Shane is hitting breakshots over and over and over again. That's what being a pro means.
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In my humble opinion, best description of what has taken over aiming systems.

Everyone ask yourself this, has any top level performer - who has just won a major event- ever credit their knowledge to an aiming system **that they weren't endorsed by or directly selling** Had to include that last bit of fine print there.
 
DelawareDogs said:
In my humble opinion, best description of what has taken over aiming systems.

Everyone ask yourself this, has any top level performer - who has just won a major event- ever credit their knowledge to an aiming system **that they weren't endorsed by or directly selling** Had to include that last bit of fine print there.
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Uh oh........
 
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Snooker: 4 shots, just 4.............

thegreek said:
No need to learn aiming systems. Preshot routine and stroke timing are more important. See snooker players. They do not use any "aiming systems" but their potting ability is amazing.
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Most of the snooker instruction videos suggests that they use a "fractional aiming system" or am I mistaken about that?

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Most of the snooker instruction videos suggests that they use a "fractional aiming system" or am I mistaken about that?

JoeyA
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Most I've seen use the line of aim.
And they are fanatical in getting down to that line.
Chin, chest, rear foot, elbow, grip, shoulder etc on that line.
Even the back swing is on that line.

Allison Fisher sure changed the women's game when she came over.
 
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