LED Flat Panels - the next generation in lighting
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Judging by the carpet and décor, I think its the same room in Calgary.
Pics from a room that just opened, they went LED throughout...
http://wishihadthat.com/2x4-LED-Flat-Light-Panel.aspx
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I wanna play pool now
Why is op so ambiguous about the pool rooms using his lights? First he refers to them as "pool rooms" Then when asked what room he gives a general location? I would like to call these rooms and see how the light set ups been working out. So what's the name of the pool rooms using your fixtures?
This is the newest thing in pool lighting, it looks like a whiteboard or something, but really it's a light...
It's only 1/2" thick, weighs about 18lbs, and only draws 84W of power, but it gives off 4500 Lumens of pure, white light...
The room owner has hung them using thin aircraft cable, which gives them the appearance of just floating in mid air (very cool), but they can be hung in a variety of ways, and they fit into your standard tbar drop ceilings as well. They can also be hung way higher than standard lights, because they give off so much light.
Here's a ball sitting at the centre of the table, very clear edges, very soft shadow, and tons of pure light...
Oh and by the way each light panel is estimated to last more than 50,000 hours. For a room open say 18 hours a day, that's about 8 YEARS of uninterrupted use, and that's presuming you have your table lights on at all times.
Personally I was so impressed by their light output that I started repping them for the company (I posted a thread here, in the Wanted/ForSale forum, if you want more info there's a discussion there, or you can PM me here or email at brian_butler@hotmail..com. We've done a few quotes for some pool rooms and found that converting to LED, even just over the pool tables themselves, will save serious money on power bills. For the pool room we quoted on Friday with 14 9foot tables, converting to LED panels for lighting would save better than $400/month on power.
This, I think, is the future of pool lighting. If you're interested, send me a PM with the number of tables in your room and the sizes, and if possible include the types of lights you have now and the amount you are paying in kilowatts in your area and we can put together a quote that includes the estimated power savings.
Businesses around the world are moving to LED for their lighting, cities are going to it for streetlights, car manufacturers are going to it for headlights and taillights. Why? Because it's simply better, in every respect.
how many watts of power does a equal4 tube t8 2x4 use??? how many lumens ??
2x4led= 84watts your example and you quoted 4500 lumens of light please compare to a4 tube 2x4 t8 daylight tube fixture?? just thinking out loud!
oh by the way master electrician here retired working pt at home depot presently.
I saw a led 2x4 layin with 4000 lumens draws 45 watts? on home depot website for $ 119
I have leds and am all in but wondering if more time needed to R&D these types of lights are needed??
people are making a expensive investment with no guarantees that you will be around for recalls or problems , better off buying from name supplier!
sorry for opinion!
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I checked at home depot today for light output and each 32 watt t8 daylight 6500 k tube provides over 2600 lumens to 3000 lumens depending on which one ,they have new extended t8 tubes ones that last 40000 hours !
I am not a lighting expert but can tell ya that you better be careful of these new led replacements ,there is a bunch of one side bias misinformation being used!
I like leds for the most part but there have been problems getting the higher wattages !
I have pulled recalled lights of all kinds to send back to manufacture!!! including LEDS
The fine print they quote is you replacing40 watt T12 fixtures having non electronic energy efficient ballasts for comparison!
not t8
I read today, the ballast, from a energy efficient 4 tube t8 ballast it uses .96 watts for 4 t8 tubes and provides 128 watts of fluorescent light .
one of these 4 tube lights provide more than 10000 lumens of light with a 85cri(color rendering index)
I say LED are a coming just wait a little while for quirks to be solved!!!
It varies quite a bit depending on the preferences of the users. Hanging them about 8' from the floor, or roughly 4' from the bed of the table seems to be the most popular choice.
Ebay $129.00 is where I got Mine
I just bought a nice one, perfect size 1'x4', I chose to go with a "WARM" led panel but they also sell bright white if you like that... Here is a link to the one I just bought, comes with hanging hardware. I'll Post pics as soon as its up!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NLCO-1-x4-W...itchen-Over-/161492058270?hash=item2599ad409e
I just bought a nice one, perfect size 1'x4', I chose to go with a "WARM" led panel but they also sell bright white if you like that... Here is a link to the one I just bought, comes with hanging hardware. I'll Post pics as soon as its up!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NLCO-1-x4-W...itchen-Over-/161492058270?hash=item2599ad409e
If you bought that for a pool table you will not be too happy. "Warm" refers to the color of the light which is deep in the yellow spectrum. For playing pool the best color is neutral or 5000 kelvin. This is commonly referred to as daylight.
With 5000 kelvin your eyes are not constantly trying to adjust for the color differences and you can play longer with less stress on the eyes.
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Sorry cant help myself
Because the LED lighting has a de-fuser panel over the lights the LED lighting is now electromagnet polarized waves.
Its called polarization by reflection and polarization by scattering.
If you notice the in the very first post you will see some very strong lines of reflection , white out or wash out. AKA glare .
Polarized reflection only happens when electromagnet polarized waves strike a smooth non metallic surface.
The only way to filter out the glare is to either us polarized sunglasses or
place a piece of linear polarized film over the light...........
Please note that the linear polarized film will filter out about 1/3 to 1/2 half of the light.
The final effect will be no polarized reflection, you still will have some reflection because UV rays but about 80% of the reflection will be gone ..
If your LED lights are actually to bright now then the polarized film might be the answer to toning down the lights and filtering out reflection.
Sorry cant help myself
Because the LED lighting has a de-fuser panel over the lights the LED lighting is now electromagnet polarized waves.
Its called polarization by reflection and polarization by scattering.
If you notice the in the very first post you will see some very strong lines of reflection , white out or wash out. AKA glare .
Polarized reflection only happens when electromagnet polarized waves strike a smooth non metallic surface.
The only way to filter out the glare is to either us polarized sunglasses or
place a piece of linear polarized film over the light...........
Please note that the linear polarized film will filter out about 1/3 to 1/2 half of the light.
The final effect will be no polarized reflection, you still will have some reflection because UV rays but about 80% of the reflection will be gone ..
If your LED lights are actually to bright now then the polarized film might be the answer to toning down the lights and filtering out reflection.
Actually the reason for the white hot spot as shown in the first few pics is simply a result of the way the camera picks up the light. This is why most pool broadcasts struggle to find adequate lighting, because when the lights are bright enough for broadcast quality the cameras pick up a huge hot spot in the middle of the table, even though when you're standing next to it you can't see it.
The British solved this problem long ago by using two large banks of light that are well above the table and angled to face each other slightly. This causes the 'hot spot' to be well above the table so that the cameras can't pick it up and then the table itself is lit by the spill from the lights rather from their direct beam.
The above apparatus is very hot, though, which is why they're gradually going to LED as well, since it gives off very little heat. There's also neither flicker nor are there any UV rays in LED, which makes them much easier from an eye strain point of view. All in all glare is a non issue with the LED panels. Try one out and see for yourself.
A few more pics, this time from a room in Japan. Note the pachinko machines in the one corner that are standard in rooms there, and also interesting is that they use chalkboards to keep score at each table. Most rooms there that I've seen don't have hanging style table lights but rather use lights mounted directly in the ceiling, and for this one the owner did something very similar using the flat panels. The result is great, in my opinion. Beautiful tables too.
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Can't see the pic for this one.