lessons yes or no
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can Joe Paterno play middle linebacker better than anyone in the NFL? no chance
can Joe Paterno tell someone else what it takes to be a world class middle linebacker?? damn straight he can
anyone who knows how to properly train as a pool player will be a competent player.. he doesn't need to be a world beater.. but he should be able to demonstrate the concepts he's trying to teach..
When i started playing again after years off i had a BCA instructor for me and a friend.Price wasn't to bad but when i knew i could beat him after not playing and still not playing well i just lost respect.
I think it was just this particular guy, not all instructors have to be great but they need to know how to teach.
I think it was just this particular guy, not all instructors have to be great but they need to know how to teach.
Lessons yes or no
I am in the same position. I want to learn the CTE aiming system but the guy charges a lot of money and I beat people that beat him and I am playing the 8 ball off my game from inactivity. I do think he can teach me that system but if its so great why hasn't he improved with it?
I am in the same position. I want to learn the CTE aiming system but the guy charges a lot of money and I beat people that beat him and I am playing the 8 ball off my game from inactivity. I do think he can teach me that system but if its so great why hasn't he improved with it?
mvp,
usualy an instructor does not have to be a world class player to teach you. But my personal opinion is, that it is helpful if he can demonstrate you also some things. But necessary? Definitley not-
Softshot wrote it already- in any other sports noone would talk about the quality of football-team trainer etc. -and this is for sure a *pool-billiards-player* problem
and each instructor could tell you stories about this opinion the whole evening...lol.
Little story: i made a very long break from billiards for about 10 years- then i started again and soon i gave lessons again and also started to play league also (a senior league-with my old team mates- which now all just play for fun-not time for training etc. )- i visited a friend in his pool-hall on a friday. He himself is a great A Player and told someone (a guest) to ask me for lessons bc he were looking for someone. His first question were about my player abilities...grin. Just told him nicley almost the same what Softshot wrote in his Posting. Imo it s hard to me to talk about my personal abilities anyway- just told him which league i used to play before my break- His answer was like about like the main sense from mvp s posting. (He never saw me playing- for info). So we didn t come together- i was not really unfriendly but let him feel a bit what i was thinkin about him.
2 weeks later on a sunday we then had a league match in senior-league....and what should i say *grin*. "This" guy was in the other team. And he had to play me in 10-ball to 8 and 8-ball to 5. I ve beaten him 8:0 and 5:2. After the match he came and laughed loud and then he suddenly wanted lessons......- i just told him- the he now got 2 lessons for free-and that it is not necessary for me to give him any in the future. he just looked a bit strange-and never asked again. Also funny is,that his team mate was a student from me The world is a small village
Ok,back to topic- usualy it is not necessary to beat your student-you just have to know more than him, to have the experience to discover his mistakes and to analyze how to work on his problems-
Many players have the same problem like you MVP- But it s hard for an instructor as long he hasn t got a good reputation-this takes a long time.
Especially here (where i live) i now know, that some instructors also have a problem with each other (like talkin about the holy gral sometimes). Grabbing students from other guys for example-talkin bad behind their back etc. -
From that what i read here on AZ about the pro-instructors in the stqates, many from *them* could learn about their mentality. The quality from the instructors here are good as far from what i saw- but here it s really hard to *fish* students.
Last point: Anyway you have to believe in your instructor- nothin else counts! otherwise you could spend your money better to a foundation.
p.s. the best advices/lessons i received from 2 old men- both weren t able to play anymore one stroke- i m still lucky they shown me important things. I just was told later who they are...2 world class 3c and 47/2 players who were just having a coffee while watchin me doin drills.....
So MVP- sometimes it s perhaps better to LEARN to BELIEVE and think about yourself
this will help you also to find what you re looking for
sry for a bit off-topic,
lg from overseas,
Ingo
usualy an instructor does not have to be a world class player to teach you. But my personal opinion is, that it is helpful if he can demonstrate you also some things. But necessary? Definitley not-
Softshot wrote it already- in any other sports noone would talk about the quality of football-team trainer etc. -and this is for sure a *pool-billiards-player* problem
and each instructor could tell you stories about this opinion the whole evening...lol. Little story: i made a very long break from billiards for about 10 years- then i started again and soon i gave lessons again and also started to play league also (a senior league-with my old team mates- which now all just play for fun-not time for training etc. )- i visited a friend in his pool-hall on a friday. He himself is a great A Player and told someone (a guest) to ask me for lessons bc he were looking for someone. His first question were about my player abilities...grin. Just told him nicley almost the same what Softshot wrote in his Posting. Imo it s hard to me to talk about my personal abilities anyway- just told him which league i used to play before my break- His answer was like about like the main sense from mvp s posting. (He never saw me playing- for info). So we didn t come together- i was not really unfriendly but let him feel a bit what i was thinkin about him.
2 weeks later on a sunday we then had a league match in senior-league....and what should i say *grin*. "This" guy was in the other team. And he had to play me in 10-ball to 8 and 8-ball to 5. I ve beaten him 8:0 and 5:2. After the match he came and laughed loud and then he suddenly wanted lessons......- i just told him- the he now got 2 lessons for free-and that it is not necessary for me to give him any in the future. he just looked a bit strange-and never asked again. Also funny is,that his team mate was a student from me
The world is a small village Ok,back to topic- usualy it is not necessary to beat your student-you just have to know more than him, to have the experience to discover his mistakes and to analyze how to work on his problems-
Many players have the same problem like you MVP- But it s hard for an instructor as long he hasn t got a good reputation-this takes a long time.
Especially here (where i live) i now know, that some instructors also have a problem with each other (like talkin about the holy gral sometimes). Grabbing students from other guys for example-talkin bad behind their back etc. -
From that what i read here on AZ about the pro-instructors in the stqates, many from *them* could learn about their mentality. The quality from the instructors here are good as far from what i saw- but here it s really hard to *fish* students.
Last point: Anyway you have to believe in your instructor- nothin else counts! otherwise you could spend your money better to a foundation.
p.s. the best advices/lessons i received from 2 old men- both weren t able to play anymore one stroke- i m still lucky they shown me important things. I just was told later who they are...2 world class 3c and 47/2 players who were just having a coffee while watchin me doin drills.....
So MVP- sometimes it s perhaps better to LEARN to BELIEVE and think about yourself
this will help you also to find what you re looking for sry for a bit off-topic,
lg from overseas,
Ingo
lessons
I asked it as a question , I think it is another tool worth learning but can I learn it from someone who apparantly has not mastered it or do I need to go to the guy who invented it or someone who uses it at a high level in their own game. By the way this is not {New } information I overheard Rempe talking about backhand english in the 70s but when he realized I was listening he clammed up and I never got anyone to talk
I asked it as a question , I think it is another tool worth learning but can I learn it from someone who apparantly has not mastered it or do I need to go to the guy who invented it or someone who uses it at a high level in their own game. By the way this is not {New } information I overheard Rempe talking about backhand english in the 70s but when he realized I was listening he clammed up and I never got anyone to talk
Not really wrong my friend- but to learn *playing games/tournaments* is something different instead of takin lessons about fundamentals and techniques. Without them you ll never be able to really increase your game for a lifetime.
lg Ingo
One more time from my side
I would have the chance to play some world class players-also for free. But i would always prefer ( if i was able to play again a bit more) to be able to work with guys like Goettlicher or Lee or other real professionals with decades of experience. Experience and the talent to transfer your knowledge is the key. I know players who re shooting 200er runs in staight pool and they wouldn t be able to show me how to open the door......
I would have the chance to play some world class players-also for free. But i would always prefer ( if i was able to play again a bit more) to be able to work with guys like Goettlicher or Lee or other real professionals with decades of experience. Experience and the talent to transfer your knowledge is the key. I know players who re shooting 200er runs in staight pool and they wouldn t be able to show me how to open the door......
Thanks, I was told Hal invented it by someone else, do you know what year?
