Lets all dog on APA

[Mowem down]

Mowem down...You're pleading ignorance here sir. Talk to an accountant. If, and when, 1099's are sent, they are done so pursuant to FEDERAL tax laws. Do you really believe that an APA league operator (or the parent organization) conspires to try to tax their players? Geeeeeez...how in world could they benefit from that?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Last I new the law (for employers too a worker) it was over 600 and you filed a 1099 with the gov. so they new were the money went you give the payed a copy so they no it was turned in.

I never said they conspire to do any thing, I do however know for a fact the LO that runs are area has done so for 15 years and not one time (hold on let me call him) (on answer, so Ill say it this way) have I asked someone that has gone to Vegas from here, if they have got a 1099 and had the answer be yes... I would say the fact the LO used to be a cop, would be a good point to lay a bet, hes not breaking any laws. If hes not 1099 people what that means is hes claiming that money one way or another, and might be paying tax on it himself, no matter what if hes making enough money to not worry about it Im sure so is everybody eles. Just like the guy I said is running TAP, He's a bit shaddier than the other guy, but I would still bet hes not laying his freedom, or a heavy, heavy fine from the good old IRS on the line, just to be Mr.Nice and not 1099 his players.

And for the record I had already planned on claiming the 2750 cash part of the prize, never would I have planned on counting the cue, jacket, and the travel $, that is really petty on their part. I would love to see the paper work that shows they paid no less, than what they are claiming for those things. And what about the money they paid for the hotel. I guess their just using that as a riteoff so its ok. I guess I should say thanks, oh wait thats really my money anyway.

Now that I'm thinking abut it they baught all that stuff in bulk, and they are saying its worth X, if its not, and they are 1099 us for more then its true purchase price thats probably not lawfull, and if they are profiting from it, do you think they are claiming the sum of the dif.

 

[NOCmonster]

APA.. Love it..

Gotta love the APA, been a 4 for 8 years now, been to vegas every year.. Why not love the APA? Free trip to Vegas, gotta love that! My bigger issues are with the BCA and VNEA, how can I be a 4 in the APA, and be a 48 in BCA, and a AA in VNEA??? Those are the leagues I question... :smile:

 

[vgodley1]

1099's

Hey, if you got a 1099 aren't you classified as a private contractor for this portion of your gross income and as such, can write off your costs; travel, lodging, sustenance, etc., associated with the earnings reported? I am not a tax guy but I would suggest you guys ask your tax people if this is an option you could consider.

As far as the APA goes, I think it is good for pool, is fun, and provides me with the stress release I am looking for from work. It allows me to spend some fun time with my wife and friends, and is a very inexpensive form of entertainment. I like the 8 ball for fun and masters for competition. In our area, most of the best players also play APA, and I get the play some of the strongest around in Masters heads up. We do play on 9'ers here and per our web site our local league has over 4000 members.

 

[mongoose-]

Gotta love the APA, been a 4 for 8 years now, been to vegas every year.. Why not love the APA? Free trip to Vegas, gotta love that! My bigger issues are with the BCA and VNEA, how can I be a 4 in the APA, and be a 48 in BCA, and a AA in VNEA??? Those are the leagues I question... :smile:

If you have been a 4 for 8 years in the APA that only goes to prove you are either sandbagging or have no desire to actually learn how to play this game. Quite pathetic I call it.

 

[BVal]

Gotta love the APA, been a 4 for 8 years now, been to vegas every year.. Why not love the APA? Free trip to Vegas, gotta love that! My bigger issues are with the BCA and VNEA, how can I be a 4 in the APA, and be a 48 in BCA, and a AA in VNEA??? Those are the leagues I question... :smile:

Sounds like the other two leagues actually have your true speed down. I am not sure how you can have the other two numbers and still be a 4. When two leagues have you at basically the same level and one has you way below - personally I would question the one that is way off. I have played in the APA, BCA and TAP. I enjoyed them all.

BVal

 

[mongoose-]

Sounds like the other two leagues actually have your true speed down. I am not sure how you can have the other two numbers and still be a 4. When two leagues have you at basically the same level and one has you way below - personally I would question the one that is way off. I have played in the APA, BCA and TAP. I enjoyed them all.

BVal

Bval I agree leagues are a lot of fun. We play an inhouse league with just 5 teams here every tuesday.. the fun for me is watching and helping the lower level players improve.

Can you tell me how the TAP league is. We don't have one anywhere around here but I have checked them out online and they look pretty decent.

 

[BVal]

Bval I agree leagues are a lot of fun. We play an inhouse league with just 5 teams here every tuesday.. the fun for me is watching and helping the lower level players improve.

Can you tell me how the TAP league is. We don't have one anywhere around here but I have checked them out online and they look pretty decent.

Since this thread is about the APA I will shoot you a PM.

BVal

 

[mongoose-]

Since this thread is about the APA I will shoot you a PM.

BVal

Thanks BVal :grin:

 

[NOCmonster]

Well I guess you guys didn't get the hint of sarcasm.. anyhow I am a 7/9. And still have been to vegas just about every year since I started in this league. I don't play the other leagues anylonger, more or less, it's just not fun. I prefer the 9 BALL format that the APA provides, and it's nice to be able to help out new players.

 

[ScottW]

There was no "hint" of sarcasm to get there, though. You have to try harder with plain text.

 

[BVal]

Well I guess you guys didn't get the hint of sarcasm.. anyhow I am a 7/9. And still have been to vegas just about every year since I started in this league. I don't play the other leagues anylonger, more or less, it's just not fun. I prefer the 9 BALL format that the APA provides, and it's nice to be able to help out new players.

I apologize for not picking up the sarcasm on the internet

It is always nice to be able to help out new players and watch them get better.

BVal

 

[mongoose-]

Well I guess you guys didn't get the hint of sarcasm.. anyhow I am a 7/9. And still have been to vegas just about every year since I started in this league. I don't play the other leagues anylonger, more or less, it's just not fun. I prefer the 9 BALL format that the APA provides, and it's nice to be able to help out new players.

Not easy "hearing" that sarcasim tone on here in text. :smile: My apologies if I came off rude. Welcome to the forum.

 

[Snapshot9]

Gotta love the APA, been a 4 for 8 years now, been to vegas every year.. Why not love the APA? Free trip to Vegas, gotta love that! My bigger issues are with the BCA and VNEA, how can I be a 4 in the APA, and be a 48 in BCA, and a AA in VNEA??? Those are the leagues I question... :smile:

Are you really that dense that you can not figure out that the BCA's 75 point system for 5 man teams, 60 for 4 man teams in 8 ball, and the VNEA with a 13 point handicap system are far more accurate than the APA's 8 point handicaps for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball as to a player's true speed. More finite handicap systems means less sandbagging and more accurate true speed. The APA is just a fun league for mostly beginners. If you reach 8 for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball, and stay with it for over a year, you are not wanting true competition overall. The BCA is mostly a serious type league with the best players, the VNEA is a tweener league, and the APA is the last likely league for a serious player. Not familiar with TAP, so I can not comment on it, but I have played in all three of the others.

When you become a serious player, you will find that you develop an intolerance of bangers (or beginners), and there simple mistakes grow to be irritating after awhile (unless you are in it just to feed your EGO). I also enjoy helping beginners, but not in league. I give lessons occasionally, or tips now and then, and that is how I prefer to help them.

 

[Scott Lee]

Scott...Once again, I have to seriously disagree with you, on this point. Your "intolerance" is, imo, more related to a personality problem. Just because someone is a "serious player", doesn't mean that they automatically are turned off by beginners. Obviously it is for you, but I would suspect that among most of the better players here, more are in my camp (who love the game, and support bringing more new players into it...however it happens), than yours. IMO, it is ego that makes people like you look down on new players. Sure some 'bangers' are aholes...but so are some of the so-called 'experts' too!

As for your "tips"...hmmmm, aren't you the guy who advised a newbie, trying to understand how to followthrough, to put a dime 14" in front of the CB, and land your tip on the dime (which is ridiculous advice, without even being able to see the person).:boring2:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

When you become a serious player, you will find that you develop an intolerance of bangers (or beginners), and there simple mistakes grow to be irritating after awhile (unless you are in it just to feed your EGO).

 

[NOCmonster]

I will say I do not appreciate the name calling Snapshot9, however your entitled to your opinion. As far as being a serious player, I enjoy the game, like to think I have a fair game overall, and do like helping out new players. If you really think that to be a better player you have to play in these other leagues, then my opinion in that regards is that you are incorrect. A person who truly wants to increase their skill, will nearly always succeed.

 

[Snapshot9]

As for your "tips"...hmmmm, aren't you the guy who advised a newbie, trying to understand how to followthrough, to put a dime 14" in front of the CB, and land your tip on the dime (which is ridiculous advice, without even being able to see the person).:boring2:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Are you calling Jimmy Caras, 3 time world champion, ridiculous? Because he is the one that advised that to me when I was starting out. I understand there are other teaching methods now, but back in 1962 it was pretty good advice, and 'cheap' to do, after all, you could put the dime back in your pocket. And Scott, a good stroke is a good stroke, no matter who is doing it.

NOCMonster, first off I didn't you call you a name, I simply asked if you were dense. I am glad you enjoy the APA, you are, obviously, right where you need to be.

 

[MikeM]

I'm intolerant too!

Of spelling and grammar errors!!!

Are you really that dense that you can not figure out that the BCA's 75 point system for 5 man teams, 60 for 4 man teams in 8 ball, and the VNEA with a 13 point handicap system are far more accurate than the APA's 8 point handicaps for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball as to a player's true speed. Questions deserve question marks, no?More finite handicap systems means less sandbagging and more accurate true speed. The APA is just a fun league for mostly beginners. If you reach 8 for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball, and stay with it for over a year, you are not wanting true competition overall. The BCA is mostly a serious type league with the best players, the VNEA is a tweener league, and the APA is the last (I think you meant LEAST here)likely league for a serious player. Not familiar with TAP, so I can not comment on it, but I have played in all three of the others.

When you become a serious player, you will find that you develop an intolerance of bangers (or beginners), and there It's THEIR damn it! :wink: simple mistakes grow to be irritating after awhile (unless you are in it just to feed your EGO). I also enjoy helping beginners, but not in league. I give lessons occasionally, or tips now and then, and that is how I prefer to help them.

There, I feel better!!!:thumbup:

MM

 

[MikeM]

I'm intolerant too!

Of spelling and grammar errors!!!

Are you really that dense that you can not figure out that the BCA's 75 point system for 5 man teams, 60 for 4 man teams in 8 ball, and the VNEA with a 13 point handicap system are far more accurate than the APA's 8 point handicaps for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball as to a player's true speed. Questions deserve question marks, no?More finite handicap systems means less sandbagging and more accurate true speed. The APA is just a fun league for mostly beginners. If you reach 8 for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball, and stay with it for over a year, you are not wanting true competition overall. The BCA is mostly a serious type league with the best players, the VNEA is a tweener league, and the APA is the last (I think you meant LEAST here)likely league for a serious player. Not familiar with TAP, so I can not comment on it, but I have played in all three of the others.

When you become a serious player, you will find that you develop an intolerance of bangers (or beginners), and there It's THEIR damn it! :wink: simple mistakes grow to be irritating after awhile (unless you are in it just to feed your EGO). I also enjoy helping beginners, but not in league. I give lessons occasionally, or tips now and then, and that is how I prefer to help them.

There, I feel better!!!:thumbup:

MM

 

[BVal]

Of spelling and grammar errors!!!



There, I feel better!!!:thumbup:

MM

So nice you said it twice

BVal <----hopes he didn't make an error.

 

[crawfish]

The next time I go into a strange poolroom and someone asks my APA ranking to play a $20 dollar race to seven, I'm gonna pull out one that says "3". I don't know what I have to do to get one, but I'll find a way. The only thing that could even come close to matching this is to play some for "fun" and "see how we would match up." Come on. APA, along with the internet, has killed the Undercover Thievery. Not that I would be involved in such a thing, but it just has. So, fu#$ the APA (for those that would make a game in their advantage).