Lets all dog on APA

[MikeM]

Dman it!

So nice you said it twice

BVal <----hopes he didn't make an error.

I hate it when I screw up while making fun of someone who screwed up!!!!

MM...the original screw-up:tongue:

 

[Scott Lee]

Scott...Well that is really OLD school thinking. "This worked 50 years ago, why change it?" No, I am not calling Jimmy Caras (RIP) anything other than what he was...a very nice man, and a several time world champion. It's still poor advice for a beginner...and that's a fact. As far as your 'good stroke' comment...true, and there are a million ways to learn how to do it. Some are better, more efficient, and MUCH easier to learn (for the huge majority of people) than others. The 14" followthrough advice is not among them.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Are you calling Jimmy Caras, 3 time world champion, ridiculous? Because he is the one that advised that to me when I was starting out. I understand there are other teaching methods now, but back in 1962 it was pretty good advice, and 'cheap' to do, after all, you could put the dime back in your pocket. And Scott, a good stroke is a good stroke, no matter who is doing it.

 

[Richardson]

i once saw a woman who said she had been playing in the APA for 16+ years, her player number was a like 0004









SHE WAS A HANDICAP ............................................ 2

 

[ScottW]

i once saw a woman who said she had been playing in the APA for 16+ years, her player number was a like 0004

Eh, each LO's area has their own number set. APA IDs are eight digits - first three (I believe) are to do with the franchise, and the remaining are the players within the franchise.

My old LO in Colorado had the ID 80000001. Har

 

[Scott Lee]

Absolutely correct!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Eh, each LO's area has their own number set. APA IDs are eight digits - first three (I believe) are to do with the franchise, and the remaining are the players within the franchise.

 

[Snapshot9]

lol again!

MikeM - thanks, I will do better in the future.

ScottLee - Scott, I don't want to belabor the point, perhaps I should have explained better to begin with. Normal stroke, in that day, was 8" normally, sometimes 10". If you extended your stroke past the point of contact with the cue ball, your tip will dip onto the cloth. By putting a dime 12-14" in front of you, following through with the stroke your tip will make contact with dime when it dips. It was a simple illustration of how to improve your stroke to where it will be a straight stroke, and the importance of a good follow through.

I considered it good advice then, and I still do today. It was just an earlier version of stroking into the mouth of a pop (or other type of) bottle to gain a straight stroke.

 

[Scott Lee]

Yep...which, AGAIN, is not something that many good instructors advocate anymore. The 'bottle' stroke, necessitates an elbow drop...which is not part of an accurate, repeatable, pendulum stroke. Still, in the end, different strokes for different folks.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

It was just an earlier version of stroking into the mouth of a pop (or other type of) bottle to gain a straight stroke.

 

[Drew]

Are you really that dense that you can not figure out that the BCA's 75 point system for 5 man teams, 60 for 4 man teams in 8 ball, and the VNEA with a 13 point handicap system are far more accurate than the APA's 8 point handicaps for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball as to a player's true speed. More finite handicap systems means less sandbagging and more accurate true speed. The APA is just a fun league for mostly beginners. If you reach 8 for 8 ball, 9 for 9 ball, and stay with it for over a year, you are not wanting true competition overall. The BCA is mostly a serious type league with the best players, the VNEA is a tweener league, and the APA is the last likely league for a serious player. Not familiar with TAP, so I can not comment on it, but I have played in all three of the others.

When you become a serious player, you will find that you develop an intolerance of bangers (or beginners), and there simple mistakes grow to be irritating after awhile (unless you are in it just to feed your EGO). I also enjoy helping beginners, but not in league. I give lessons occasionally, or tips now and then, and that is how I prefer to help them.

Give NOCmonster the 7 and bet what you want.

 

[HereWeGo]

From what I have seen in Vegas the rating system is very inconsistent between states. 7/9s in some areas just cant compete with 7/9s in other states.

Well I guess you guys didn't get the hint of sarcasm.. anyhow I am a 7/9. And still have been to vegas just about every year since I started in this league. I don't play the other leagues anylonger, more or less, it's just not fun. I prefer the 9 BALL format that the APA provides, and it's nice to be able to help out new players.

 

[Spimp13]

Good times

I remember the good ol days of dumping to help meet handicap, but not anymore. As a locked 7 I don't have to worry about dumping and can put all my focus and energy into raping whoever I play (nothing personal of course). There is a lot of crap that goes on, but competing and beating your opponent always seems to get the blood going, especially when they are a very skilled player. Intimidation does wonders in APA .

 

[gunzby]

I actually have something to dog on. They scheduled the APA Cities on Valentines Day weekend!!! Ooooh I'm sure my fiancee' won't mind me hitting the tables Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

 

[btoneill]

I wanted to settle the 1099 issue...

The IRS will allow you to deduct costs associated with a hobby in relation to any money earned in the hobby. So, if your 1099 shows you got $700 from the APA to go to Vegas to compete, you can deduct up to $700 in costs for your hobby. In that $700 you can deduct the cost of the trip. So you come out even. Of course there are rules and stipulations, such as it can't be more then 2% of your AGI, you have to itemize your deductions, and you can't have made a profit (after deductions) on the hobby in 3 of the previous 5 years (they then consider it a for profit activity and no longer a hobby).

Basically, as long as you don't take the money from your trip to vegas and not go, you can deduct it and you don't pay tax on it.

And if you win $10k in Vegas, don't complain that you have to pay taxes on it, as it's $10k more then you had before you left...

Brian

 

[mongoose-]

I wanted to settle the 1099 issue...

The IRS will allow you to deduct costs associated with a hobby in relation to any money earned in the hobby. So, if your 1099 shows you got $700 from the APA to go to Vegas to compete, you can deduct up to $700 in costs for your hobby. In that $700 you can deduct the cost of the trip. So you come out even. Of course there are rules and stipulations, such as it can't be more then 2% of your AGI, you have to itemize your deductions, and you can't have made a profit (after deductions) on the hobby in 3 of the previous 5 years (they then consider it a for profit activity and no longer a hobby).

Basically, as long as you don't take the money from your trip to vegas and not go, you can deduct it and you don't pay tax on it.

And if you win $10k in Vegas, don't complain that you have to pay taxes on it, as it's $10k more then you had before you left...

Brian

LOL gotta love the IRS. Uncle Sam will get his. Thanks for the post if you are correct which I would say you are as that sounds like the IRS it's good to know. I was always curious about it but had never taken time to look.

 

[overtaker]

marking pocket

I am not sure why it bothers me so much, but marking the pocket on the 8-ball is just crazy. If two SL8's are playing I think they know what pocket the other person is going to pocket the 8-ball in.

hey moron, obviously you don't play in the APA. There is no 8 skill level in 8 Ball. You will have to try harder if you want any of the other idiots on here to believe you. Hell I forgot, the rest are as dumb as you are. Your ok

 

[DelaWho???]

hey moron, obviously you don't play in the APA. There is no 8 skill level in 8 Ball. You will have to try harder if you want any of the other idiots on here to believe you. Hell I forgot, the rest are as dumb as you are. Your ok

Great choice of words for a guy who is responding to a post from OVER A YEAR AGO.....

This being post #6 I don't think you'll last too long around here...

 

[paksat]

Actually this will be my third and last session with APA. The only positive is that I like my teammates. In the beginning it was fun but the cons outweigh the pros for me.

I played 6? seasons I believe instead of your third but you can insert the rest of your post from here on out.

I think there's a lot of crooked stuff that might be going on.. maybe i'll continue to play it if i'm in another division though.

 

[sebas]

I think they suck too

First of all I am only playhing because of friends. They make a lot of money and dont distribute it. To top it off we were playing a makeup game last week (One in which we still were paying the weekly dues) and the owner had the nerve to actually charge us for the table we were playing the makeup on. She already takes half of the APA fee. This is my last session. I find it totally unbelievable.

Chris

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

23 rule: Yup, sucks. Big time. I had to break my 9ball team up this session and create 2 teams... couldnt make the numbers work anymore.

My turn; No pushout is rediculous. rediculous. rediculous. HATE THAT!

who's next?

Not sure about the no pushout rule.
If your hooked after the break and didn't make a ball isn't that the goal you were hoping to acheive with a pushout? If you did make a ball guess you better know how to kick out of it. that one could go either way for me.

But the 23 Rule does need to go!!!!!!

 

[Eieio59]

The TAP league has already done that. They have a handicap system similar to the APA, and a 25 rule.

The APA is a pyramid scheme. That's the whole reason why the 23 rule will never change. Inevitably what happens is that skill levels go up, forcing teams to either split up and players to start their other teams, or players to recruit their wives, girlfriends, parents, children, etc who are low skill level players. This becomes mandatory so that the teams don't have to forfeit matches and so that the high skill level players can play. It's all by design. It's a big f#ckin' pyramid scheme.

Okay...... so let me get this straight......the APA is a pyramid scheme because it has the 23 rule, but TAP is a great league because it has the 24 rule???? Kinda sounds like if one is a pyramid, so is the other? Or wouldn't you admit that if TAP isn't, then neither is APA?

Just wondering..

 

[l0ngtaithien]

A pyramid scheme is based on multiple levels, with the entities at the top benefitting from the entities at the bottom.

If an APA team splits up, that just means one more team - they're still in the same group, the same level. There are two levels in an APA league - the LO (top) and the teams (bottom).

I just think "pyramid scheme" is one of those loaded terms that folks will throw out to try and make their point emotionally rather than factually. *shrug* Sorta like when the terms "nazi" or "gestapo" come out in forum arguments.

Well, let's say that the top entities is the APA and the bottom entities is apa teams. By creating more teams, the the top entities (APA) will generate more profits (profits=benefits; thats from my understanding and i could be wrong too).