If you get my cuttlefish tip system on your cue, then you could choose what tip you wanted on that cue, and don't have to have extra shafts. Just extra tips.
Neil
Lift the ban bca!!!!!!
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If you get my cuttlefish tip system on your cue, then you could choose what tip you wanted on that cue, and don't have to have extra shafts. Just extra tips.
Neil
I still have mine. I've had an X-Breaker (original top) and a Stinger and keep going back to my BK1 with the original leather tip. (Whatever Predator put on it at the factory.) I thought however that the Stinger tip was supposed to be leather, or very close to BCA specs. and that was one of it's selling points over the Sledgehammer-style one-piece phenolic tips.
i wish every tour would ban phenolic tips. it takes alot more skill and knowledge to kick than it does to use a gaffed tip to jump with.
so does this ban affect BCA or ACS leagues?
As long as everyone else in the tourney is doing the same thing, what's the big deal?
It's not ALWAYS the power of the break. As folks have seen in the most recent ten ball tournament, it's a variation of speed and position.
I have both a phenolic and leather BK2 and honestly, the leather tip gets used 4-1 over the phenolic because of the control factor.
Maybe there's a political issue here between the BCA and Predator, who knows. It would be a dumb one if it is.
Aye chihuahua.
It's not ALWAYS the power of the break. As folks have seen in the most recent ten ball tournament, it's a variation of speed and position.
I have both a phenolic and leather BK2 and honestly, the leather tip gets used 4-1 over the phenolic because of the control factor.
Maybe there's a political issue here between the BCA and Predator, who knows. It would be a dumb one if it is.
Aye chihuahua.
Hello, is anybody going to answer the ? about bk2 tips being good or not, and the ?, are they going to say how thick the leather on the tip has to be. I have my playing cue tips cut down to 60 thou. right from the start.
No, the standard tip for the BK2 is phenolic along with many other Breakers and J/Bs. I myself have a J/B with a phenolic tip and I may just put an OB Break shaft on it ( depending on the taper/tip width ) or just buy a Samsara J/B. The OB Break Shaft apparently comes with a Samsara tip that is a hard leather, no phenolic.
I'm sure a lot of cue comp. will be pissed at this one.
Bah, I hate jumping. No offense to jumpers, just not my thing. Anyhow, I'm a kicker myself, btw, you can use any tip to kick, and not that I masse too much out of neccessity, but you can do that with leather, too.
People didn't always have phenolic, or break cues, or G-10, etc. They played pool just as damn well before all that. We lived without all this stuff, once upon a time. Maybe I'm just speaking nonsense, but that's just what I think.
People didn't always have phenolic, or break cues, or G-10, etc. They played pool just as damn well before all that. We lived without all this stuff, once upon a time. Maybe I'm just speaking nonsense, but that's just what I think.
mongoose-
Banned
It is going to be a BCAPL rule. I know we are not going with it in our local ACS league but I will bet you will see other leagues follow suit. I remember years back when jump cues were banned in a lot of events but they made a comeback... this may pass by as well in time. I can't say as I buy the reason it is harming equipment though... these tips have been out for some time. I would think we would have heard a lot more about damage by now.
Keep the ban!!! make it tougher!!!
Excellent Point
Well first, I don't play BCAL or BCA, or ACS or whatever league this is. I think Supernva said it perfectly though, any quality break cue these days comes with a phenolic tip. So players now are going to have to get new tips and possibly ferrules put on their existing or newly purchased cues. Doesn't seem like a very friendly league to me.
I have heard of G10 tips damaging the balls (although I use one on my jumper and have never seen it) but a phenolic tip? No way. A player can tear the cloth with a hard leather tip just as easy as they can with a phenolic tip.
And for those that say the game was played years ago with only leather tips available, how many of you are using Predator or OB1 shafts? Should those be banned as well since they weren't available years ago? Just like a phenolic tip helps breaking, those shafts help players with english and draw/follow. As technology improves, equipment comes available that makes certain aspects of the game easier for people. Just my 2 cents worth.
Well first, I don't play BCAL or BCA, or ACS or whatever league this is. I think Supernva said it perfectly though, any quality break cue these days comes with a phenolic tip. So players now are going to have to get new tips and possibly ferrules put on their existing or newly purchased cues. Doesn't seem like a very friendly league to me.
I have heard of G10 tips damaging the balls (although I use one on my jumper and have never seen it) but a phenolic tip? No way. A player can tear the cloth with a hard leather tip just as easy as they can with a phenolic tip.
And for those that say the game was played years ago with only leather tips available, how many of you are using Predator or OB1 shafts? Should those be banned as well since they weren't available years ago? Just like a phenolic tip helps breaking, those shafts help players with english and draw/follow. As technology improves, equipment comes available that makes certain aspects of the game easier for people. Just my 2 cents worth.
Well first, I don't play BCAL or BCA, or ACS or whatever league this is. I think Supernva said it perfectly though, any quality break cue these days comes with a phenolic tip. So players now are going to have to get new tips and possibly ferrules put on their existing or newly purchased cues. Doesn't seem like a very friendly league to me.
I have heard of G10 tips damaging the balls (although I use one on my jumper and have never seen it) but a phenolic tip? No way. A player can tear the cloth with a hard leather tip just as easy as they can with a phenolic tip.
And for those that say the game was played years ago with only leather tips available, how many of you are using Predator or OB1 shafts? Should those be banned as well since they weren't available years ago? Just like a phenolic tip helps breaking, those shafts help players with english and draw/follow. As technology improves, equipment comes available that makes certain aspects of the game easier for people. Just my 2 cents worth.
good post. rep to you.
lets make a league for all you billiard tru-ist's have no LD shafts use thick cloth which requires a better stroke and is harder to play on so you say, 
only leather tips not layered either use old plastic or polyester balls and use rules from lets say 20 to 30 years ago and then you can all join there and talk abour how much better and more true your game is with the accuracy and skill of leather tips and solid rock maple shafts on thick slow cloth and you can pump yourselfs up and the other players who are open to change can play in the new leagues and it can all be seperate.... sound like a plan???
why move forward or use new technology whats the point????
only leather tips not layered either use old plastic or polyester balls and use rules from lets say 20 to 30 years ago and then you can all join there and talk abour how much better and more true your game is with the accuracy and skill of leather tips and solid rock maple shafts on thick slow cloth and you can pump yourselfs up and the other players who are open to change can play in the new leagues and it can all be seperate.... sound like a plan???why move forward or use new technology whats the point????
Woohoo, I agree with it 100%. Ban them. It means I'll probably never be able to jump again, but I support this decision absolutely. I'll gladly see my jump cues and phenolic break shafts sit on my rack collecting dust forever. I use phenolic now because you have to, but I see it like the 3 point shot in basketball, aluminum bats and the "DH" in baseball, and regular season overtimes in football (tie is a legit score); they should all be eliminated.
I don't buy the excuse that phenolic damages equipment more than any other type of tip. But because most of the break cues used today have phenolic tips, I do think that there may be cause for celebration among the merchants who are members of the BCA (not the BCAPL).
The sky is falling... how did we manage to play before phenolic? 
I am guessing no one will quit the game over it.
I am guessing no one will quit the game over it.