Light Grip for playing pool.

SJDinPHX said:
Joey, Joey, Joey,...You seem to have weined yourself off EVERY new "aiming system" that ever came down the pike !...I was so proud of you ! :thumbup:...Now, why do you feel compelled to invent "Mechanical Aids" to improve your basic fundamentals ! :eek:

Puhleeeeeeze do not go there, Joey !..Tacks, sandpaper, graham crackers, pistachio shells, or even 'electrical shock therapy',..will NEVER replace "Hit a Million Balls" and common sense !..Please, I would almost prefer your old "CTE Pro1, BHE, Hal Houle", infomercials !..Why would you want to confuse ANOTHER generation of aspiring pool player's ? :confused:

PS..I am not THAT old !....Greenleaf often took my sage advice ! ;)...However, I seem to have completely lost your ASS co-hort, John Barton ! :eek: ( have you seen his latest video, where he proves he can easily mis-cue, even with Kamui chalk ?..I expect litigation) :cool:

PSS..It was also heartwarming for Lou and I, to see that he had to shoot 'mach II speed' in order to draw his ball two or three feet ! (even Rhea can double that..lol )
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I guy your age SHOULD KNOW Jackshit but you apparently don't. I still love every aiming system I have ever learned. :thumbup:

I wish an old dude like you would change with the times. It's not the Dark Ages any longer.

JoeyA
 
thefonz said:
Grip pressure isn't anything I think about. Like golf you want to have a grip that allows you to have control of the cue, but upon execution I think the shot will dictate what your grip pressure will be at the end of the stroke. This is what works for me anyhow.
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I like this post....do what you have to do on each shot.

If you look for one way of doing every shot.....
...you're in danger of becoming like the gorilla that could drive a ball 400 yards...
....unfortunately, he putted the same way also.
 
daphish1 said:
I think it's all about the amount of tension in your body. When you are relaxed and free wheeling it probably is never is an issue. Get a tough shot for something on the line and the arm gets a little tighter. Whatever the right grip is for you, you probably already know (it feels right), its just getting consistent with it.

I've noticed watching top players that even their power shots are executed in a relaxed fashion. I don't think they will shoot a shot until they get to that right state of mind/feeling.
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Again REGULAR Sex, not masturbation will cure all this. Let's smoke a fag, that's when one is in his/her most relaxed and honest state?
 
JoeyA said:
I guy your age SHOULD KNOW Jackshit but you apparently don't. I still love every aiming system I have ever learned. :thumbup:<--You have my deepest sympathy !

I wish an old dude like you would change with the times. It's not the Dark Ages any longer.<--Uh.. Joey, I am NOT the one grasping at straws ! :rolleyes:

JoeyA
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Apparently struck a nerve...Sorry ! :embarrassed2:
 
Bustamante talked about his grip pressure on TAR podcast. He change grip pressure depending the shot. He use tight grip when want to kill whitey.
Works for me :) And for light grip try badminton grip on the cue. No extra weight at all, it's grippy and allow you to practice light grip :thumbup:
 
peter_gunn said:
Bustamante talked about his grip pressure on TAR podcast. He change grip pressure depending the shot. He use tight grip when want to kill whitey.
Works for me :) And for light grip try badminton grip on the cue. No extra weight at all, it's grippy and allow you to practice light grip :thumbup:
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Good info.

What is badminton? Is that like bad mutton?

JoeyA
 
Just played a few games on some new cloth. Drawing the ball like a champion. :grin: I tried a couple of the techniques some of you mentioned and I even have a friend who has already invented a device that he claims will help with the clinching. While I tried it out, it did seem to offer some help but I'm not completely sold on it. I guess shooting those power shots on new cloth made it so much easier to draw the cue ball, I didn't seem to need any additional tool. I may revisit that tool again. Can't say much about it as he may have a good product to sell. Only time will tell.

Anyway, I just wanted to tell everyone thanks for their suggestions. It seems if I pay attention to not clinching the cue, I don't. There's always the next pressure situation to see if that remains so.

thanks again,
JoeyA
 
Hey Joey,

This is a good question about grip pressure and how can you change the "feel" when you believe things are tightening up and the balls aren't acting properly. If it helps, I concentrate on the feeling in my stroking forearm, not the grip itself. I want to feel no pressure or tightness in my forearm, kind of like I'm moving the cue with my elbow movement only and I don't feel any pressure in my forearm or grip, it's just an extension of the movement. It's hard to explain but I think if you try it for few strokes you'll get the idea. Someone mentioned golf, I try to have the same feeling in both my forearms when swinging a club, although I'm not that great at golf I hit the ball better when I can get that feeling.

Cheers,
Dave
 
Varner/Jerry Briesath yrs ago did an instructional video together. Nick compared holding the cue butt to grabbing a can of coke. You don't crush it, and you don't drop it, but that in between amount where you hold it, depending on how heavy or not heavy it is, is how to think about it. Be nice if Randy G commented on this.
 
12squared said:
Hey Joey,

This is a good question about grip pressure and how can you change the "feel" when you believe things are tightening up and the balls aren't acting properly. If it helps, I concentrate on the feeling in my stroking forearm, not the grip itself. I want to feel no pressure or tightness in my forearm, kind of like I'm moving the cue with my elbow movement only and I don't feel any pressure in my forearm or grip, it's just an extension of the movement. It's hard to explain but I think if you try it for few strokes you'll get the idea. Someone mentioned golf, I try to have the same feeling in both my forearms when swinging a club, although I'm not that great at golf I hit the ball better when I can get that feeling.

Cheers,
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Good to hear from you. I will try to do what you suggest and maybe when I have a cue in my hand it will make more sense. Right now, I find it hard to discern any tightness in my forearm and the only tightness that occurs with me is on long power shots which are as someone else mentioned, pressure situations where tension is present. But I'll give it a try.

Island Drive said:
Varner/Jerry Briesath yrs ago did an instructional video together. Nick compared holding the cue butt to grabbing a can of coke. You don't crush it, and you don't drop it, but that in between amount where you hold it, depending on how heavy or not heavy it is, is how to think about it. Be nice if Randy G commented on this.
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I've heard that coke can analogy before, probably from Nick. The funny thing is my grip is almost always light. I think I can keep from clinching the cue if I just put a hand full of thumb tacks in my palm before shooting the shot like another poster mentioned. :D

Everything is good. Thanks for the tips!

JoeyA
 
CJ Wiley said:
Francisco "appears" to have one of the loosest grips in Pro Pool, but notice in this picture how he is in the follow through. This is NOT a loose hand position.

Consistent grip pressure is the key and if you want more acceleration (power) in your stroke it's done with the correct use of the fingers/wrist/hand......and the "cocking of the wrist" so that you have something to release through the cue ball.

If you don't create acceleration in the hand (that holds the cue) then you are forced to use all "arm" and this is where the shoulder may creep into the equation, and that can create some serious accuracy issues.

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Check out this breaking action and by the look of Bustemante's arm this is far from a "loose" grip......you must create a downward release of the wrist to create power, much like the motion used in hammering a nail.
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Sorry CJ i have to not be on same page at your last statement highlighted in red above. By then QB has gone and probably reached the OB, too late it will not effect accuracy, actually there will be efficiency due to the long follow through.
 
make sure you can feel your teeth (when brushing) and don't knock any out

naji said:
Sorry CJ i have to not be on same page at your last statement highlighted in red above. By then QB has gone and probably reached the OB, too late it will not effect accuracy, actually there will be efficiency due to the long follow through.
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That's why I specified "can" rather than "will"......whenever the shoulder gets inappropriately involved it certainly "can" throw the cue off course - you'll see this in mostly beginner and intermediate players, but it can creep into even the most advanced games.

As far as grip pressure is concerned, I believe a "controlled pressure" is ideal. Just like using a toothbrush or fork, all of us use our own "personal pressure" for maximum feel.

{as an analogy} - just make sure you can feel your teeth (when brushing) and don't knock any out (while eating). :groucho:
 
CJ Wiley said:
That's why I specified "can" rather than "will"......whenever the shoulder gets inappropriately involved it certainly "can" throw the cue off course - you'll see this in mostly beginner and intermediate players, but it can creep into even the most advanced games.

As far as grip pressure is concerned, I believe a "controlled pressure" is ideal. Just like using a toothbrush or fork, all of us use our own "personal pressure" for maximum feel.

{as an analogy} - just make sure you can feel your teeth (when brushing) and don't knock any out (while eating). :groucho:
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Thanks CJ, for the clarification, you are right, at times the elbow get locked and only shoulder moves down which certainly could effect accuracy for long shots, and thin cuts.
 
+1 for the shock value of the thumb tacks! You make a nice power shot with those and I'm done!
 
Bambu said:
+1 for the shock value of the thumb tacks! You make a nice power shot with those and I'm done!
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I didn't have the balls to use the thumb tacks but have been working on my technique.

I found that I have been hitting about 3/32" left of the vertical axis on my power draw shots. It isn't much but it throw the cue ball offline and it throws the object ball when it makes contact. In addition to that, I haven't always had a smooth transition from back to forward. So in essence, I haven't always been hitting the cue ball where I thought I was hitting it. I'm paying more attention to the vertical axis and a smooth transition on the final forward stroke allows me to the hit the cue ball where I am trying to hit it. I also am turning a little more sideways on the power shots and that seems to help too. Staying still is icing on the cake. I guess paying attention to the cue ball and what I am actually doing is where it's at. That's it in a nutshell.

Thanks everyone.
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I didn't have the balls to use the thumb tacks but have been working on my technique.

I found that I have been hitting about 3/32" left of the vertical axis on my power draw shots. It isn't much but it throw the cue ball offline and it throws the object ball when it makes contact. In addition to that, I haven't always had a smooth transition from back to forward. So in essence, I haven't always been hitting the cue ball where I thought I was hitting it. I'm paying more attention to the vertical axis and a smooth transition on the final forward stroke allows me to the hit the cue ball where I am trying to hit it. I also am turning a little more sideways on the power shots and that seems to help too. Staying still is icing on the cake. I guess paying attention to the cue ball and what I am actually doing is where it's at. That's it in a nutshell.

Thanks everyone.
JoeyA
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Are you finding this after you shoot or while warming up, look at your shaft while warming up and where the tip is lined up! Looking at exact spot on CB during very slow backward swing helps land that tip where needed.

If your shaft is pivoted (not parallel to line of aim) when tip hits CB, and bridging at natural pivot point it should not change CB direction at all if tip hits off center (in fact CJ promotes hitting off center to ensure CB condition, and not leave it to chance left or right due to stroking errors), also OB does not throw much if CB has enough draw (weather straight or english draw) on it. It must be stroke errors, less than ideal of follow through, track CB movement after it hits OB to know if proper english applied, or CB stunned OB.
Lastly could you do a test for me if you would, can you hit the same shot without warming up, hit it several times but go down correct at exact aim point, curious to see what happens, also hit the same with a short bridge and tight grip no warm ups. Thanks.










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