Like To See 15 Ball Rotation On TAR

Pattern for 61

We were at Billiards Sports Plaza in Wichita years ago, as far from the P.I. as you can get. Someone there said the Filipinos rack 61 to where all the adjacent paired balls have numerical symmetry. So I racked up the balls and got symmetrical on 'em. How close did I get to how they rack? We were only told which balls were on the corners. I drew a diagram and saved it...
 

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The old diagram...

I think it was Al Jeanneret who told us about the special racking in P.I. 61, and another guy told us about the "pay balls." All this came about because of Efren's popularity, he really got us talking. I think I drew this in 1999.
 

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this is how you rack pinoy rotation.

1
13 14
12 15 11
7 10 9 8
3 4 6 5 2

balls on the same row opposite each other can be switched example 13 and 14, 12 and 11, 10 and 9, etc etc. the values does not have to be exact. theoretically, they are set-up this way to lessen the chance of the bigger balls going in on the break.

its only confusing if you're not familiar with it. best to make sure your opponent knows all the rules otherwise he might think you're just pulling rules out of your ass haha.

i suggest you guys find a filipino in your local poolhall to show you the ropes. there should be at least one in every poolroom lol.
 
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Hi,

When Efren and Rudy first came to this country and were waiting for their visas to clear and backer to get everything in place to go on the road, they spent about five or six months in Chicago. During that time Frank at The Chicago Billiards Cafe made his room open the this dynamic duo for free.

I was lucky enough to see them a lot and they came in at 10:00 am every morning and played 15 ball rotation all day.

The rules were:

Must kick or bank only!

Efren changed the way modern 9 ball was played like the way Tiger Woods has changed the culture of golf with his play.

Can you imagine what a broke 9 ball rack looks like to these guys after playing 15 ball must kick or bank. It would be like Michael Jordon practicing with a standard hoop for a basket and then putting up a ho-la hoop up there.:help:

Rick G
 
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Rotation Player

I remember when I was growing up playing Pool in Wrightsville, Pa. I remember a black gentleman by the name of " Rotation Slim ", that was making his way around the country and I would like to know if anyone else knew of him and how good of a player he actually was. I also played rotation growing up and I remembering having to take intentional scratches at times because the combination of the ball numbers were not on the table, such as :needing a count of twelve for instance and the combination of balls were not there, taking a scratch and had my option of spotting my choice of a ball, so the combination of the new number I needed, I could now combine to make that number needed. we also played using different number combinations to make maybe" 31 " the number we needed and that allowed more players to compete in the same game, and when you acquired your correct number, everyone paid you, it was a great game and we played all night long Friday and Saturday. Another great game was Pill Pool. We would play with a number of players, shoot in rotation and if anyone didn't pocket their own ball in that rack, the neck rack would be called " a 2 timer, when all the money doubled, and by the way, you had to put money under the rail for every time someone scratched and that amount would be doubled also. The game would keep going until some times, it would be like a 8 timer, and who ever pocketed his own ball for the pill that he had, they all would pay him 8 times the amount of money, and he would collect all of the scratch money under the rail. I was only like 14 at the time and had to sneak into the pool room when the owner went to Hockey games. Then in the middle of the night when the cops would stop in the pool room, I would open the closet and hide out until the cops left. I was making between $100.00 and $200.00 every Friday and Saturday night just playing for dimes and quarters, that was a lot of money in those times. My family didn't have a lot of money, so I used to buy most all of my school clothes from money won playing these games.....OH HOW I MISS THOSE TIMES. I'm sure there are a lot of Players that could share stories like that as they were growing up. By the way, the game of Straight Pool was the game of choice all around my area of Pa., MD, New Jersey, and New York, etc. I think the game of 14.1 is one of the purest games you can learn, because it has all of the other games built in, like banking, breaking clusters, one pocket, 2 way shots, billiards and caroms,etc. One of the best highlights of my career of playing Pool was, when I was a teenager, I was asked to do an exhibition Straight Pool match with one of the best players to play straight Pool, Irving Crane. I will never forget that, I was very proud for being the choice picked to play Irving Crane, on a Saturday night, packed house to watch the match in Red Lion Pa. I ran 108 Balls warming up in front of the packed house, but I did lose the match 150 to 75. After the match, Irving invited me to his home in Rochester, New York. He and his wife treated me great, they fed me and we sat around talking about old time Pool stories and Irving took me along to the Pool Room that he played out of and I very much appreciated every thing I was able to share with Mr. Crane. Irving also told me I could bring a friend along if I wanted, and a good friend and a great Player himself, Tom Manley, from the Yankee Club in York, Pa, told me he would love to go along, so away we went to Rochester New York, for one of the highlights of my Pool Career. I will always treasure that exhibition because it was in front of all my friends and fellow Pool Players from my hometown playing area..................Duke Bayman..Wrightsville, Pa........
 
pretty close...

this is how you rack pinoy rotation.

1
13 14
12 15 11
7 10 9 8
3 4 6 5 2

balls on the same row opposite each other can be switched example 13 and 14, 12 and 11, 10 and 9, etc etc. the values does not have to be exact. theoretically, they are set-up this way to lessen the chance of the bigger balls going in on the break.

its only confusing if you're not familiar with it. best to make sure your opponent knows all the rules otherwise he might think you're just pulling rules out of your ass haha.

i suggest you guys find a filipino in your local poolhall to show you the ropes. there should be at least one in every poolroom lol.

Well, I guess we got pretty close. We were trying to spread the points around evenly....
 
I played a bit this weekend using Filipio rules on both an 8-footer and a 9-footer. Although the 8-footer was slightly more cramped, running out was much easier. On the 9-footer, it almost always came down to who had a shot on the 6 or 7-ball.

My only question is... if you don't have a shot on the 1-ball after the break, is there a push-out option or do you have to kick for it?

Keeping score was also slightly a pain and was a slight distraction. Having your opponent keep your score and you keep their score seemed easiest, but maybe collecting all your balls after your inning is also a good way to go. How do they generally keep score in the PI (in their head, collecting balls, someone else keeping score)?
 
We used to play it that one could shoot either the highest or lowest # ball on table. Is that kiddie pool?
 
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