linen wrapping problem

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so the last couple of cues that ive wrapped have come loose after a few months of play. i drill a small hole at the base of the handle ,tuck the linen with a tooth pick, and on the forearm i tuck the linen. starch and press depending on the customers request. ive tried a thin layer of glue on a couple and still it came loose. can anyone help with the "proper" steps of installing linen? its coming loose in the miidle areas of the cue. thanks,Big Daddy.
 
big daddys said:
so the last couple of cues that ive wrapped have come loose after a few months of play. i drill a small hole at the base of the handle ,tuck the linen with a tooth pick, and on the forearm i tuck the linen. starch and press depending on the customers request. ive tried a thin layer of glue on a couple and still it came loose. can anyone help with the "proper" steps of installing linen? its coming loose in the miidle areas of the cue. thanks,Big Daddy.
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Are you using enough glue and making sure the linen is pulled tight?
 
big daddys said:
so the last couple of cues that ive wrapped have come loose after a few months of play. i drill a small hole at the base of the handle ,tuck the linen with a tooth pick, and on the forearm i tuck the linen. starch and press depending on the customers request. ive tried a thin layer of glue on a couple and still it came loose. can anyone help with the "proper" steps of installing linen? its coming loose in the miidle areas of the cue. thanks,Big Daddy.
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You may be running the lathe in the opposite direction,when you press the linen, that they are wraped.
Is that possible...JER
 
Use a common glue stick (be generous) or even Elmers glue under the wrap...and make sure its wrapped tight. That should cure your problems.
 
I use Elmer's white glue and peg both ends. I've done at least a thousand and have never had one come loose.

Dick
 
big daddys said:
so the last couple of cues that ive wrapped have come loose after a few months of play. i drill a small hole at the base of the handle ,tuck the linen with a tooth pick, and on the forearm i tuck the linen. starch and press depending on the customers request. ive tried a thin layer of glue on a couple and still it came loose. can anyone help with the "proper" steps of installing linen? its coming loose in the miidle areas of the cue. thanks,Big Daddy.
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I also use Elmer's Glue, I start by making sure the under wrap is free from the old adhesive, slightly roughed up, by light sanding. I then place a piece of masking tape at the edge of the butt and the forearm to keep the glue off the finish, and I have also pre-drilled the finish hole for the wrap, so with a pencil I place a mark on the masking tape where the finish hole is, so that I can easily find it later.

I then start the wrap in a small hole pegged. Next I apply the Elmer's Glue to the under wrap, I apply the glue pretty thick, I then spread it with a small painters brush. When I initially apply the glue I only cover half of the under wrap. When the cue is wrapped to this point I apply glue to the remaining portion of the under wrap.

I then continue the wrap until I get to the finished end. At this point I take the linen all the way up to the edge, then I use a little home made blunt tool and press it back toward the starting end just enough to expose the finish hole. I continue by inserting the finish end of the linen and pegging it into the hole. Next I move the linen to the edge of the forearm with my tool to cover the finish hole, this step will hide the end of the linen and the finish hole.

Next I remove the masking tape from the forearm and the butt, before lightly pressing the wrap, this will close any openings, and make the wrap even. DO NOT PRESS THE WRAP HARD DURING THIS STEP, OR YOU MAY PRESS ALL THE GLUE OUT, WHICH WILL CAUSE THE WRAP TO COME LOOSE LATER.
Next, I press the edges by turning the lathe by hand, not by spinning the lathe with its motor. Then I spin the cue in the lathe and take a damp rag and remove the excess glue that has come to the surface from the light pressing.

I then wait until the glue has dried, and finish the wrap by pressing and starching to the customers specifications.

I think that you may be pressing to much glue out, or not using enough glue in the first place. When using Elmer's, you can never put it on to thick, if you remove the excess like I have outlined above. Elmer's will dry clear and the glue will never be seen.

I hope this helps!!!!

Have a nice night
 
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BINGO!!! i do press the wraps as soon as im finished with them . my logic on the matter was to get it pressed before it dries so the glue will hold it in place.i always wanted the glue to come thru the linen while it is still wet enough to clean up with water(damp cloth). then i would starch and press the rest of the way. thank you sooooo much for the detailed process. i knew somebody would shed some light on this. i love this place. thanks,, Big Daddy
 
I wish I knew how to make a video, I could have a lot of fun with this one. I'll have to talk to Unique products, after the video you would throw that can of spray starch in the trash. The Expo is coming.
 
big daddys said:
so the last couple of cues that ive wrapped have come loose after a few months of play. i drill a small hole at the base of the handle ,tuck the linen with a tooth pick, and on the forearm i tuck the linen. starch and press depending on the customers request. ive tried a thin layer of glue on a couple and still it came loose. can anyone help with the "proper" steps of installing linen? its coming loose in the miidle areas of the cue. thanks,Big Daddy.
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Sounds like the handle wood is shrinking to me.

I use well seasoned wood and I seal it with Nelsonite before I wrap my cues.

Good Cuemaking,
 
I seal under the wrap first also, mainly for warpage purposes, but did'nt consider the shrinking, that's another good reason for It. I do lightly scuff afterwards though, then lay down a bed of elmers, wrap the cue and peg It. I use glue on the toothpicks holes also, and use a scribe to countersink them, & to make sure they're secured well.

Greg
 
Michael Webb said:
I wish I knew how to make a video, I could have a lot of fun with this one. I'll have to talk to Unique products, after the video you would throw that can of spray starch in the trash. The Expo is coming.
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Thanks for the input, However, I would doubt that I would throw the starch away, I it use to help water proof the linen from hand moisture. Now if there is a better product, or technique please spell it out. Currently I re-wrap five to twenty cues a month, I never have a problem with them coming loose. But most important of all, my customers are satisfied.

I would appreciate any information you are willing to give, but your above post is a little inconclusive, and unclear.
 
manwon said:
Thanks for the input, However, I would doubt that I would throw the starch away, I it use to help water proof the linen from hand moisture. Now if there is a better product, or technique please spell it out. Currently I re-wrap five to twenty cues a month, I never have a problem with them coming loose. But most important of all, my customers are satisfied.

I would appreciate any information you are willing to give, but your above post is a little inconclusive, and unclear.
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You are correct, I'll work on it.
 
Michael Webb said:
I wish I knew how to make a video, I could have a lot of fun with this one. I'll have to talk to Unique products, after the video you would throw that can of spray starch in the trash. The Expo is coming.
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You rang...I am here sir...
 
linen wraping problems.

I don't use ANY glue. I have always used MINWAX CLEAR, FAST DRYING POLYURATHANE. I put it on with a foam brush or folded paper towel. It stays tacky long enough to get the wrap on & as it drys it holds the linen, tight to the handle. In 20 years I've never had one come loose. Picked this up, at the Mcdermott factory in the early 80's. It takes me about 20 minutes to do a wrap...JER
 
Hey Jer, do you not use any glue to start and finish the wrap either? As in, most use a drop of glue in with a toothpick when push it down the holes.
 
When putting a cue together or taking it apart will gripping it on the wrap loosen up the linen? I always try to have my hand in above the linen so I don't put a twist into it.
 
TheBook said:
When putting a cue together or taking it apart will gripping it on the wrap loosen up the linen? I always try to have my hand in above the linen so I don't put a twist into it.
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It should not loosen if put on correctly with the correct glue. I use plain old Elmer's. I have seen many with contact cement. This is a mistake.
 
Michael Webb said:
It should not loosen if put on correctly with the correct glue. I use plain old Elmer's. I have seen many with contact cement. This is a mistake.
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ADAM & Helmstter use some kind of wax, which seems to work well for them...JER
 
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