Little Ko wins 8-Ball !!! Big KO ripped off, Pool hangs it's head

[one stroke]

OK genious, let's hear your resume. No, better yet, stay on topic and you give and example of a bye given in the first round after a qualifying round in pool or any other sport.

We all have listened to your rants on here about this subject and offered possible reasons for the decision. Still you refuse to give even the slightest consideration to anything but your opinion. I'm sorry Shane bruised your man-gina, get over it.

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Hey Einstein go back and read my posts ,,I said I have played all kind of sports and have yet to see one person or team who was knocked out advance ,so it's not the norm by any stretch of the imagination ,, And as far as the APAs non paying event the American Amateur it's just that a non paying event ,,

Opinions are just that obviously many don't agree with the decision and many more would agree it was not handled properly in the communication area ,, had that been done in the first place most of theses posts would not be here ,,
This is elementary public relations 101 ,, we are in the era of easy communication and social networking so a response we will get back to you later on this is absurd

Now tuck your skirt up and get over it


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[spartan]

Here is the rumor as to what happened. Ralf ran out of clean underwear and had to leave due to the recent rule change requiring all players to have clean underwear. Who was demanding the rule change? Big Ko and Little Ko!

Big and Little Ko are not as innocent as they are being portrayed.

Where do these rumors get started?

Yawn :boring2:
Obviously you should keep your day job whatever that is and please do not be a professional comedian/jokester LOL :thumbup:

 

[chevybob20]

Hey Einstein go back and read my posts ,,I said I have played all kind of sports and have yet to see one person or team who was knocked out advance ,so it's not the norm by any stretch of the imagination ,, And as far as the APAs non paying event the American Amateur it's just that a non paying event ,,

Opinions are just that obviously many don't agree with the decision and many more would agree it was not handled properly in the communication area ,, had that been done in the first place most of theses posts would not be here ,,
This is elementary public relations 101 ,, we are in the era of easy communication and social networking so a response we will get back to you later on this is absurd

Now tuck your skirt up and get over it


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So why are you still crying?

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[one stroke]

So why are you still crying?

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Those are tears laughter ,, CSI stepped on their pud ,, Shane needed a resurrection from the dead and what amounts to a sharking move the only way he could beat big KO his prize a spanking from little KO ,,, while in the back round the Shane backers are whispering under thier breath ,, we will race you to 100 for 50 k
LMFAO you can't make this sh@t up its priceless

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[BeiberLvr]

Not once have I ever seen a eliminated player or team come back from (Elimination )

Please see post #43

It just happened last month, with not one, but two players that were already eliminated.

 

[Hungarian]

itsfroze,

I respect your right to post as much or as little as you like regardless of the quality of your contribution whether it's garbage trolling or high quality and informative.

But I for one think it's hilarious how hard you are rolling on CSI. Just your shear volume of posts automatically tarnishes your credibility. No one even reads your shit.

Carry on

Reposted from anther thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by banditgrrr View Post
Having spent several days at the event, seeing what happened, talking with several of the players, overhearing conversations of CSI staff.....I've come to my own conclusions.

1. I'd be extremely surprised if there is a 2nd Annual Invitational. I can just about guarantee that several of the foreign players will not come back next year if invited.

2. When Ko Pin Yi was informed that Shane was taking Ralf's spot, and Ko protested and said he would not play Shane, threatening him with "if you don't play Shane you will not get paid" was completely wrong.

3. Investigating Dennis because they thought he dumped just to screw Shane was ridiculous. Shane complains to CSI about something, they start an investigation. A different player complains about something Shane does and it gets swept under the carpet.

4. Ozzy made the statement to Mike Dechaine that "this is a show, not a tournament." If that is the case, I hope all the players appreciated their appearance money. From my understanding, There was 8k for first, 5k for second. To me, that means it's a tournament. Ozzy can call it whatever he chooses, but I can guarantee you EVERY player that participated considered it a tournament.

5. One of the CSI staff made the comment immediately after the tournament that "we F'd up and should not have put Shane in that position." Well, at least 1 person on the staff has it right.

6. Words directly from Mark's mouth was "we made a decision to put Shane in that spot because the people paying for the stream paid to watch matches and we're not going to have a forfeit." Based on the several threads here, I believe the people he thought he was trying to make happy are the people that are most dissatisfied with his decision.


All in all, I believe the BCA Nationals was a success and the amateur portion of the event was run very smoothly, notwithstanding time glitches which caused several singles players to forfeit due to last minute changes. On the other hand, the invitational event was a cluster F. There's not much they can say in an "official statement" that will change the minds of most on here, including the people that support their PPV.

 

[BeiberLvr]

So sorry they were on the list of replacements if anyone didn't show, nice try though.:wink:

Yes, because of their points earned in the qualifying rounds.

Just like Shane was a replacement because of the points he earned in the round robin stage.

Obviously you just have some sort of vendetta against CSI. You can't really be that dense.

 

[Hungarian]

itsfroze is rolling hard this weekend.

Yes, because of their points earned in the qualifying rounds.

Just like Shane was a replacement because of the points he earned in the round robin stage.

Obviously you just have some sort of vendetta against CSI. You can't really be that dense.

 

[Hungarian]

You've gone completely overboard..

Just don't like the way they screwed KO that's all, if it was you then you'd be singing a different tune. Have a great Day ! :wink:

 

[Celtic]

What they told you simply aren't true but it makes for a good story just like how some may say that Pin-Chung is better than his older brother. On any given day a player may be better than the other, but there's no way Pin-Han (youngest brother) is better than Pin-Yi and I am sure you know that as a veteran in the pool scene.

You seem to know a ton about the players around there.

Do you know what ever became of Wu Yu Lun? He was an absolute beast in the juniors winning multiple world junior championships, beating Wu Chia Ching in at least one of them. He completely destroyed Albin Oschan in the one I saw him play in live, it was not even close. Klatt and Morra were both in the juniors that year as well. Noone in the field could touch Wu Yu Lun and Wu Chia Ching. In the final Wu Yu Lun beat Wu Chai Ching fairly comfortably.

He was an absolute beast in his mid teens and his game was not actually too different then Ko Ping Chung, although I think Wu Yu Lun actually broke significantly better/harder.

I totally expected him to make a strong showing in the pros but he seemed to just disappear shortly after his juniors success.

 

[lfigueroa]

Reposted from anther thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by banditgrrr View Post
Having spent several days at the event, seeing what happened, talking with several of the players, overhearing conversations of CSI staff.....I've come to my own conclusions.

1. I'd be extremely surprised if there is a 2nd Annual Invitational. I can just about guarantee that several of the foreign players will not come back next year if invited.

2. When Ko Pin Yi was informed that Shane was taking Ralf's spot, and Ko protested and said he would not play Shane, threatening him with "if you don't play Shane you will not get paid" was completely wrong.

3. Investigating Dennis because they thought he dumped just to screw Shane was ridiculous. Shane complains to CSI about something, they start an investigation. A different player complains about something Shane does and it gets swept under the carpet.

4. Ozzy made the statement to Mike Dechaine that "this is a show, not a tournament." If that is the case, I hope all the players appreciated their appearance money. From my understanding, There was 8k for first, 5k for second. To me, that means it's a tournament. Ozzy can call it whatever he chooses, but I can guarantee you EVERY player that participated considered it a tournament.

5. One of the CSI staff made the comment immediately after the tournament that "we F'd up and should not have put Shane in that position." Well, at least 1 person on the staff has it right.

6. Words directly from Mark's mouth was "we made a decision to put Shane in that spot because the people paying for the stream paid to watch matches and we're not going to have a forfeit." Based on the several threads here, I believe the people he thought he was trying to make happy are the people that are most dissatisfied with his decision.


All in all, I believe the BCA Nationals was a success and the amateur portion of the event was run very smoothly, notwithstanding time glitches which caused several singles players to forfeit due to last minute changes. On the other hand, the invitational event was a cluster F. There's not much they can say in an "official statement" that will change the minds of most on here, including the people that support their PPV.

You do not speak for "most." You speak for you.

It appears to me, the way things have quieted down, that "most" are willing to wait a few days to hear the other side. Give it a try. You may not end up happy but at least you will have heard it before passing judgement.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Here is the problem?

What place money does Ralph get???

3rd or 4th???

How can three players get 3rd and 4th money???

You just can't take shanes money for 5th to 8th refund it and give it to Ralph! This means more money spent to pay the increase for 3 players getting 3rd/4th money! Not cool at all!

Kd

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[justadub]

You do not speak for "most." You speak for you.

It appears to me, the way things have quieted down, that "most" are willing to wait a few days to hear the other side. Give it a try. You may not end up happy but at least you will have heard it before passing judgement.

Lou Figueroa

Best and most accurate post in any of these threads

 

[poolnoob]

You seem to know a ton about the players around there.

Do you know what ever became of Wu Yu Lun? He was an absolute beast in the juniors winning multiple world junior championships, beating Wu Chia Ching in at least one of them. He completely destroyed Albin Oschan in the one I saw him play in live, it was not even close. Klatt and Morra were both in the juniors that year as well. Noone in the field could touch Wu Yu Lun and Wu Chia Ching. In the final Wu Yu Lun beat Wu Chai Ching fairly comfortably.

He was an absolute beast in his mid teens and his game was not actually too different then Ko Ping Chung, although I think Wu Yu Lun actually broke significantly better/harder.

I totally expected him to make a strong showing in the pros but he seemed to just disappear shortly after his juniors success.

Saw Wu Yu Lun play in a poolhall in TW. Was told he had switch to snooker few years ago and might come back to playing pool . Still plays strong imo . Running out on a super tight tables with ease.

 

[jay helfert]

What they told you simply aren't true but it makes for a good story just like how some may say that Pin-Chung is better than his older brother. On any given day a player may be better than the other, but there's no way Pin-Han (youngest brother) is better than Pin-Yi and I am sure you know that as a veteran in the pool scene.

I believe it is too difficult to speculate how good of a player he will develop into. I believe the only difference will come down to mental toughness. Keep in mind that Ko Pin Yi and Pin Chung at that age were already playing professionally in the tough Taiwanese/Asian pool tournaments.

On a different note, the youngest brother is taller than the other two. Could that be an advantage that separates them?

Thanks for this information. I've never seen the kid play yet. I did see the middle brother (Pin-Chung) play at age 15 and he was very impressive, and he's only gotten better as he's matured as a player. IMO Ko Pin-Yi is one of the very best players in the world. He has no weakness anywhere in his game, plus he has a quiet confidence at all times and is not afraid to take on any shot or challenge.

 

[scsuxci]

Running a smooth event wouldn't have all these questions or
lack of answers. Some may disagree but i think pool is in such
a rut that your star players that draw a crowd have a different set of rules
and are put on pedestals and others may suffer.
Its like a Popular Boxer who is an asset to the sport from ticket sales
and pay-per view getting his azz whooped but given a ''HomeTown Decision''
and given the win, while the guy who should of won fades away into the sunset.

Pool doesn't have alot left and I guess at the end of the day, right or wrong
is not relevant, its keeping your pool stars shining and the majority of
viewers happy. Not saying its right but thats the way it is.

 

[lost]

You seem to know a ton about the players around there.

Do you know what ever became of Wu Yu Lun? He was an absolute beast in the juniors winning multiple world junior championships, beating Wu Chia Ching in at least one of them. He completely destroyed Albin Oschan in the one I saw him play in live, it was not even close. Klatt and Morra were both in the juniors that year as well. Noone in the field could touch Wu Yu Lun and Wu Chia Ching. In the final Wu Yu Lun beat Wu Chai Ching fairly comfortably.

He was an absolute beast in his mid teens and his game was not actually too different then Ko Ping Chung, although I think Wu Yu Lun actually broke significantly better/harder.

I totally expected him to make a strong showing in the pros but he seemed to just disappear shortly after his juniors success.

My guess is he found a more lucrative career than pool by furthering his education. Most likely engineering.

 

[Celtic]

You do not speak for "most." You speak for you.

It appears to me, the way things have quieted down, that "most" are willing to wait a few days to hear the other side.

Not really.

Silence /= compliance.

I have now moved on. I spent a great deal of money on TAR streams and I supported this stream, I have spent a considerable amount of time commending the BCAPL league system as the best there is on this forum and in person, and I have been a fan of pool for decades.

My lack of posting anymore (other then this response to the "assumed" reason in order to correct the error) is that I am done with it.

There is no point in posting anymore. They did what they did, I have made a decision that this event was the last event of CSI's that I will pay for or watch. I have absolutely no idea if Itsfroze's post up there is correct about the idea that Ko refused to play SVB and was threatened not to be paid, but if that is true that is again something that makes me a little ill to my stomach. The things that went down that night were fairly gross TBH and watching the stream that was supposed to be enjoyable entertainment ended up making me feel like crap watching it all go down. I am happy Little Ko won, but I was not online to watch it, I went and watched TV after they pulled their crap.

They totally have their right to run "their" event as they see fit, and I have every right to choose whether or not to pull out "my" Visa and support their product or not. From this day forth their product will see none of my money. It is sad, because as of last week I thought they were the best thing North American pool had going for it, but this whole scene stunk and it killed CSI for me personally. If others are still cool with CSI and enjoy their product that is good for them and I am happy for them and CSI both. But when the next CSI promotion takes place I will be spending my money elsewhere on another form of entertainment.

My silence is not because I am waiting for a response. I don't give a crap what the response is at this point, I am over it and I am done with them and that means I really don't see much of a point in commenting on it anymore.

I just wanted to make sure that you and others know that my own absence and silence is not "gee Celtic must be waiting for the official response to see what his final thoughts will be." I have already decided to not "pay" to see this type of BS again. They fooled me once into paying to see it, it will certainly never happen again.

 

[vincentwu817]

You seem to know a ton about the players around there.

Do you know what ever became of Wu Yu Lun? He was an absolute beast in the juniors winning multiple world junior championships, beating Wu Chia Ching in at least one of them. He completely destroyed Albin Oschan in the one I saw him play in live, it was not even close. Klatt and Morra were both in the juniors that year as well. Noone in the field could touch Wu Yu Lun and Wu Chia Ching. In the final Wu Yu Lun beat Wu Chai Ching fairly comfortably.

He was an absolute beast in his mid teens and his game was not actually too different then Ko Ping Chung, although I think Wu Yu Lun actually broke significantly better/harder.

I totally expected him to make a strong showing in the pros but he seemed to just disappear shortly after his juniors success.

Wu Yu Lun switched to snooker to play for the Taiwanese team in the Asian Games//World Games. If you win a medal in one of those, the government will pay you on top of your prize money. I am not sure what exactly happened to him, but I don't beleive I've seen his name in the Taiwanese circuit recently.

Lots of top Taiwanese pros disappear or lose interest into their 30s. If those players are still playing strong, Taiwan would easily put together the toughest team. Some have returned but are playing nowhere near their top.

 

[vincentwu817]

Thanks for this information. I've never seen the kid play yet. I did see the middle brother (Pin-Chung) play at age 15 and he was very impressive, and he's only gotten better as he's matured as a player. IMO Ko Pin-Yi is one of the very best players in the world. He has no weakness anywhere in his game, plus he has a quiet confidence at all times and is not afraid to take on any shot or challenge.

You're welcome Jay. The only weakness I would say about Ko is his safety and kicking game. He excels during near-perfect equipment and conditions, but when the racks get sloppy, some of the Filipino players have an edge. Too often, like many Taiwanese players, he lives and dies by the jump cue.