Little Ko wins 8-Ball !!! Big KO ripped off, Pool hangs it's head

[spartan]

The issue I have with bringing a loser back due to a forfeit is, it should be the next best "Overall" qualifier. This makes it fair to everyone. It will also make every rack in the preliminary rounds important, even in a blow-out because more than likely it will come down to "rack differential" to determine who gets to advance.

Rald should be forfeited and Ko awarded walkover and get to play in final
But for sake of argument if they have to replace Ralf, best overall qualifier is better criteria then just next best qualifier from group. If it is best overall qualifier then we look at 2nd place finisher in each group and since they all have 2 wins 1 loss, the tiebreaker is rack differential
Appleton +3
Shane +3
Dechaine +2
Chang 0

So it will be choice between Appleton and Shane as replacement

 

[beetle]

I'd say the Taiwanese players were treated pretty well. They played well and got a very good percentage of the prize money. I'm guessing that many of their expenses were covered as well for this invitational. CSI won't have any trouble getting 16 people should they decide to do another invitational.

For sure the Taiwanese or foreign players will not come back next year even if invited the way they were treated, It is not a case now of CSI saying we will choose who to invite...it is now a case of whether the invited players will choose CSI. It is the players saying to CSI we will call you do not call us. :smile:

 

[one stroke]

The US Amateur Championship sends the second place qualifier when the first place qualifier can't make it. I know this because I made it the the Championships after finishing second in the Atlanta qualifier.

The Shane Haters Club members are worse than the Shane fan club by far. I fear a Jonestown type mass suicide when SVB comes out of this slump.

The APA as a example now that's priceless ,, can you tell me how much money you got and how much the winner gets


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[spartan]

Sorry you couldn't stomach it anymore yesterday, Spartan.

Thanks for all your efforts !!!

You are welcome.
I could not help but turned on stream yesterday to watch last few racks of final cheering for Baby Ko to beat Shane. And Baby Ko was simply super awesome and just reaffirms what number of us have been saying about him - that this kid is a future World Champion. Down few racks and then just blew Shane away in last few racks. What a performance. This kid only lost 1 match in both tourneys and that in final of 10 ball losing to Big Ko. That is simply too strong 9 wins and 1 loss 90% win %
But yesterday Shane showed his class in last rack when Baby Ko made a pivotal critical shot to be in shape to finish last few racks. Shane applauded Baby Ko loudly- that is class. I also saw from Shane's body language when he came in to play Ko that he seemed reluctant with playing Ko. They were like 2 reluctant players forced to play this nonsense match
It just seems that Baby Ko was more upset that he did not get chance to revenge loss to his big bro who he clearly admired.
He was unfazed who he had to play such was his confidence that he can beat anyone. Probably only one he feared was Big Ko
He did not show any nerves in last rack and last shots and did not celebrate so probably he was going after bigger trophies than this event
After the trophy presentation and photo shots, Baby Ko just walked out of room without bothering about trophy while Big Ko had to clean up and carry the trophy for him. That was hilarious :thumbup:

 

[spartan]

I'd say the Taiwanese players were treated pretty well. They played well and got a very good percentage of the prize money. I'm guessing that many of their expenses were covered as well for this invitational. CSI won't have any trouble getting 16 people should they decide to do another invitational.

Ya, next time someone hosts a tourney and you win big, you say you are treated well. If you lose, you say you are treated badly. :thumbup:

 

[Hawk]

Rald should be forfeited and Ko awarded walkover and get to play in final
But for sake of argument if they have to replace Ralf, best overall qualifier is better criteria then just next best qualifier from group. If it is best overall qualifier then we look at 2nd place finisher in each group and since they all have 2 wins 1 loss, the tiebreaker is rack differential
Appleton +3
Shane +3
Dechaine +2
Chang 0

So it will be choice between Appleton and Shane as replacement

For sake of argument, , if there is still a tie after rack differential as in the above example with Appleton and SVB then go to a lag and one game sudden death play off. If the winner of the lag B n R's then the other player gets a chance to do the same. Rinse and repeat if necessary. It would take a matter of minutes to determine a winner and I think it would actually be pretty exciting.

 

[Agent 99]

Quote:
Originally Posted by King T View Post
The only problem with Pool is the lack of Money and to few events for the players to have a chance to compete at a high level on a regular bases.

I think that sums it up nicely ... Dead money is the life blood of professional tournament players ... No dead money and there are no deep payouts or big paydays at the top.

You are left with only a show. A show that is very low paying for the regulars and really does nothing to grow professional pool, or for that matter the sport on any level.

Open tournaments, well defined rules (use the international standards), and encourage as much dead money as possible. Play at nice resorts and package entry fees with room rates to bring in the dead cash, and most importantly keep them coming back for more.

How bout those apples?

 

[spartan]

For sake of argument, , if there is still a tie after rack differential as in the above example with Appleton and SVB then go to a lag and one game sudden death play off. If the winner of the lag B n R's then the other player gets a chance to do the same. Rinse and repeat if necessary. It would take a matter of minutes to determine a winner and I think it would actually be pretty exciting.

Yes that would be exciting and I actually support idea that loser of lag gets another opportunity to "serve" similar to tennis
Except that here likely Appleton was not even asked to take part. Even if Appleton was asked , he probably want no part of this mess and gave excuse that he has to rush to China for the more prestigious better prizemoney WPA event World Teams Championship

 

[one stroke]

I'm a pool fan. Maybe you'd prefer to watch Ko standing by an empty table, but not me. If Micky Mouse was the group leader after Souquet forfeited, I'd be happier to see Micky Mouse vs Ko rather than Ko vs. an empty table.

Since you've repeatedly expressed your disdain for Ozzy and CSI, I think that makes it clear how unbiased you are. Smell a little blood in the water, did you?

Well that's nice you could care less about who's playing, as long as you can see a matched played ,even if it's unfair to the player who deserved to move forward
Well at least you got Mickey Mouse ,, in the way it was handled and yes it was easily predictable their response or lack of ,, I'm only stating the obvious , sorry if that disturbs you ,,
You continue to bring up a disdain for Ozzy because I have brought up dealings with him in the past ,, well here's a news flash ,,, I will speak up and call it like it is no matter who it is,, I like your buddies Jose and Mike from planet pool you have heard me tell them things I don't like that they do ,, Jose is on my speed dial I consider him and Mike friends
So thinking I'm only speaking up because you have a far fetched idea I have a distain for him is laughable ,, it's everyday dinner conversation to me

Obviously it's a tad more than blood in the water since 50% did not approve of Shane's advancement ,that number I'm sure would be far more if the question was could they have communicated their decision better to their viewers

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[beetle]

It's less than 50% now, fyi.

since 50% did not approve of Shane's advancement ,that number I'm sure would be far more if the question was could they have communicated their decision better to their viewers

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[jay helfert]

FYI - There is still another Ko brother (who is 15) that many say will be even better than his two older brothers. I have been told he plays better than them already! I'm not joking either!

 

[vincentwu817]

FYI - There is still another Ko brother (who is 15) that many say will be even better than his two older brothers. I have been told he plays better than them already! I'm not joking either!

What they told you simply aren't true but it makes for a good story just like how some may say that Pin-Chung is better than his older brother. On any given day a player may be better than the other, but there's no way Pin-Han (youngest brother) is better than Pin-Yi and I am sure you know that as a veteran in the pool scene.

I believe it is too difficult to speculate how good of a player he will develop into. I believe the only difference will come down to mental toughness. Keep in mind that Ko Pin Yi and Pin Chung at that age were already playing professionally in the tough Taiwanese/Asian pool tournaments.

On a different note, the youngest brother is taller than the other two. Could that be an advantage that separates them?

 

[pocket]

.02 (likely far less):

I helped run a youth baseball tournament last year as a volunteer. The winner was to advance to the level before the "World Series".

The winner of our tournament backed out due to not being able to afford the cost of travel.

The baseball organization - a very large and historic organization - placed the second place team in its spot and advanced them.

Worked out fine, and was fair to the other teams in the next bracket. Had it stood without a replacement, two other teams would have advanced in their brackets without taking the field, and that would not have been fair to the other teams who "earned" their positions.

 

[ratnip]

FYI - There is still another Ko brother (who is 15) that many say will be even better than his two older brothers. I have been told he plays better than them already! I'm not joking either!

It's quite possible...look at Wu who won the world title @ 16.

Anyone know the youngest age you can compete for a world title?

 

[vincentwu817]

It's quite possible...look at Wu who won the world title @ 16.

Anyone know the youngest age you can compete for a world title?

I highly doubt there is a age limit, but I am too lazy to look up the actual rules. Wu entered the pool scene a little earlier than when the Ko brothers started. He was however, Ko Pin Yi's classmate at Fu Xing high school in Taipei. They all had similar stories in that their family owned a pool room and had their kids learn the game at a young age travelling across the island competing with world class players.

 

[chevybob20]

The APA as a example now that's priceless ,, can you tell me how much money you got and how much the winner gets


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OK genious, let's hear your resume. No, better yet, stay on topic and you give and example of a bye given in the first round after a qualifying round in pool or any other sport.

We all have listened to your rants on here about this subject and offered possible reasons for the decision. Still you refuse to give even the slightest consideration to anything but your opinion. I'm sorry Shane bruised your man-gina, get over it.

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[spartan]

I highly doubt there is a age limit, but I am too lazy to look up the actual rules. Wu entered the pool scene a little earlier than when the Ko brothers started. He was however, Ko Pin Yi's classmate at Fu Xing high school in Taipei. They all had similar stories in that their family owned a pool room and had their kids learn the game at a young age travelling across the island competing with world class players.

I am guessing with recent big video game DOTA2 Championship win by across the straits neighbor China, the dropping popularity of pool in Taiwan will go down further- Kids will gravitate towards big prizemoney professional gaming rather than peanuts payday pool.

 

[ratnip]

I highly doubt there is a age limit, but I am too lazy to look up the actual rules. Wu entered the pool scene a little earlier than when the Ko brothers started. He was however, Ko Pin Yi's classmate at Fu Xing high school in Taipei. They all had similar stories in that their family owned a pool room and had their kids learn the game at a young age travelling across the island competing with world class players.

Thanks for the background info.

 

[vincentwu817]

I am guessing with recent big video game DOTA2 Championship win by across the straits neighbor China, the dropping popularity of pool in Taiwan will go down further- Kids will gravitate towards big prizemoney professional gaming rather than peanuts payday pool.

Pool has already been on a steady decline starting the early 2000s. You can kind of compare it to the housing bubble in America in the late 2000s. When pool got really big in Taiwan in the 90s (thanks to Chao and Yang), hundreds of pool halls appeared out of nowhere. In my city of Kahsiung (~1.5 million people), there was an estimated 500 rooms at the peak. The popularity didn't sustain so I'd say 85%-90% of the rooms closed down already. At that time internet cafes were starting to get popular and that was one of the main reasons pool went on that decline as well.

While the popularity of pool died down, good thing the level of play at the professional level hasn't.

 

[alstl]

Here is the rumor as to what happened. Ralf ran out of clean underwear and had to leave due to the recent rule change requiring all players to have clean underwear. Who was demanding the rule change? Big Ko and Little Ko!

Big and Little Ko are not as innocent as they are being portrayed.

Where do these rumors get started?