local 8 ball rule?

JayBates

JayBates

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i have been playing bar box 8 ball for close to a year at the same place. i decided to try a new spot out yesterday. i broke and didnt make anything. didnt leave him a shot as well. to make a long story short, the table was open and he did a solid stripe combination to pocket the stripe ball. if im not mistaken you cant do that. we werent playing (or rather didnt specify) any kind of tournament rules. if im not mistaken you can only make a combination if the first ball the cue ball hits is the same kind (solid/stripe) as the object ball? example 9-2-15 combination. his argument was that if the table was open, any ball is an object ball and any ball can be used (besides the 8 ball) as a first ball in the combination. maybe he saw me as the new guy and thought he could pull a fast one over on me, but most of the others around agreed with him. i have been playing 8 ball regularly across town for close to a year and nobody there plays this way. so my ? is how would you guys call this...foul and other player shoots or a legit combination and turn continues?
thanks for any input
Jay
 
well.....now i feel stupid. thought he was tryin to BS me on that one....thanks
 
That is an acceptable shot in APA, TAP, and a local gentlemens league I play in. As well as a few of the small bar table tournaments around here. Its not played at every bar. Its one of those bar table "house rules" that you will need to know. Refer to several of the bar table 8-ball threads running around here. The BCA handbook also accepts this as a legitimate shot.
 
Acceptable in the IPT as well. Seen Sigel take advantage of that shot a couple times in the KOH and 8Ball champ matches.
 
With an open table, any combination of balls is legal, as long as you don't hit the 8 ball first. You can even shoot a 1-8-15 combination. If you make it, you have the stripes. Table is no longer open.
Steve
 
pooltchr said:
With an open table, any combination of balls is legal, as long as you don't hit the 8 ball first. You can even shoot a 1-8-15 combination. If you make it, you have the stripes. Table is no longer open.
Steve
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i believe in the vnea rules you can even use the 8 ball if nothing has dropped.
 
shag_fu said:
That is an acceptable shot in APA, TAP, and a local gentlemens league I play in. As well as a few of the small bar table tournaments around here. Its not played at every bar. Its one of those bar table "house rules" that you will need to know. Refer to several of the bar table 8-ball threads running around here. The BCA handbook also accepts this as a legitimate shot.
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I haven't played any 8-ball leagues other the BCA, but in BCA if you combo like he said but do not follow up with a made shot on your next shot, it is still open. That is unless I was givin a line all league long. If that is true, does this rule aply for TAP or APA? I know APA is partially slop meaning, hit your ball first and any ball(of your group) pocketed counts.
 
tjlmbklr said:
I haven't played any 8-ball leagues other the BCA, but in BCA if you combo like he said but do not follow up with a made shot on your next shot, it is still open. That is unless I was givin a line all league long. If that is true, does this rule aply for TAP or APA? I know APA is partially slop meaning, hit your ball first and any ball(of your group) pocketed counts.
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I think somebody told you wrong. I believe in BCA, on the first shot you can use any ball as the first ball in a combination except the 8 and it is a legal shot as long as you call the ball and the pocket. I don't know of any contingency on the next shot in the BCA rules. That's a new one on me.
 
In the BCA the table is still open after pocketing a ball on the break. You are not restricted to the group of the balls pocketed and you can hit any ball first in the combo on the open table but not the 8. Every shot is a called ball and pocket, it does not matter how it gets there. When you make a called ball on a open table and do not scratch that is your group. You can miss the next shot but you are stilled locked into that group. This allows you to play a saftey if needed. BCA also allows a scratch when shooting on the 8 as long as you don't pocket the 8.


As far as I know in the APA you have to hit the ball of the group first that you are going to pocket on a open table. You are also restricted to the group of balls made on the break.

On ESPN when they show the classic pool with the old timers playing 8 ball the rule is if shooting at the 8 and do not make contact it is a loss of game. One of the players hooked himself after shooting in his last ball before the 8. He had to kick at the 8, missed and lost the game.
 
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TheBook said:
On ESPN when they show the classic pool with the old timers playing 8 ball the rule is if shooting at the 8 and do not make contact it is a loss of game. One of the players hooked himself after shooting in his last ball before the 8. He had to kick at the 8, missed and lost the game.
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I had both good and bad exp with this rule, won a match over a much better player than me by this, and lost a few games on this under the rule.

it seems 8ball can never have one regulated rule, unlike 9ball or snooker.

different places u go to, they have diff rules and I lose sometime because of those. (for sure i am not good enuff to clear the table most of the time :( )
 
wehe4774 said:
I had both good and bad exp with this rule, won a match over a much better player than me by this, and lost a few games on this under the rule.

it seems 8ball can never have one regulated rule, unlike 9ball or snooker.

different places u go to, they have diff rules and I lose sometime because of those. (for sure i am not good enuff to clear the table most of the time :( )
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the classic espn matches also make you take whatever ball is pocketed on the break.

i've seen 9 ball matches with different rules.
the difference is usually always on making the 9.
 
Book,

I was watching the ESPN classic match a couple days ago and it was Fats vs Mosconi and they was playing the tie breaker in 8ball and Fats got hooked and had to kick at the 8ball and missed.

As usual, Mosconi drilled Fats in 9ball, but for some reason Fats beat Mosconi in 7ball. It just seems like Mosconi is not comfortable playing 7ball.
 
In the APA

On an open table the combo 1-15 is legal and the player is then stripes, assuming the ball is pocketed and the player doesn't scratch. The 8 isn't neutral (1-8-15 is legal) but you don't have to drop it cleanly.

McCue Banger McCue
 
I may as well chime in also, after the break only if the breaker does not sink a ball, the incoming shooter as the option to shoot any ball they like (except the 8 of course) in any combination. Solid to stripe, stripe to solid and even x ball to 8 ball to x ball. Which ever ball drops is the set the shooter then has. The BCA standardized rules state this, every other league sanction bases their rules off the BCA so there's no difference there either.

Most of the differences between leagues fall under whether the table is open after the break even if you make a ball. If you make the 8 on the break is it a win or loss, or do you spot it. Whether a scratch on the 8 ball is loss of game (BCA)

Those are the major ones that I can think of, anybody else.

Black Cat :cool:
 
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I must say that Fatty played some good 8 ball - except where he hooked himself at the end. That rack was very nice - he played the cueball well and was just a little bit off but I love Fatty
 
9BallBust-O said:
I must say that Fatty played some good 8 ball - except where he hooked himself at the end. That rack was very nice - he played the cueball well and was just a little bit off but I love Fatty
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i do too.

everyone says he was a novelty,and that he couldn't really play.
i think his banks were great and when he put his mind to it could shoot really good.
 
JayBates said:
i have been playing bar box 8 ball for close to a year at the same place. i decided to try a new spot out yesterday. i broke and didnt make anything. didnt leave him a shot as well. to make a long story short, the table was open and he did a solid stripe combination to pocket the stripe ball. if im not mistaken you cant do that. ..Jay
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It's acceptable in every organized league and rule set.

It's not acceptable at many bars on Friday nights across the country.

Fred
 
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