Lock Artist Club

Walt Frazier

Walt Frazier

Banned
****Lock Artist Club****V.I.P. Members Only!

I am starting a club for the hard-core,Stone-Cold,Lock -Artist Gamblers..I will soon own the rights to the phrase "lock artist club" and whomever refers to a lock artist or lock artist club will need to add the TM(trademark) or pay me my money! LOL

Qualifications for lock artist membership:

1.You must be a shrewd gambler,your winners must far outweigh your losers.

2. You must be knowledgeable of all the subtleties and nuances of gambling ie understanding probablities with regards to odds and have "Book-maker type" savvy and gambling sense ..

3. You must be a master of the art of persuasion..which also requires you to be a masterful communicator and negotiator..

4. You must be from the Bill Incardona school of match-making..always get the stone nuts! ...but yet,give the"illusion" that it's gambling ..

5.Last but Not Least..You must know how to..GET DA CASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of you who want to join speak up! and state your credentials!(and risk knocking your action LOL)

Btw,the website is on it's way..www.lockartist.com
 
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come to vegas i'll show you more than anywhere else, they only come to the pool room when the casio's have them down to one barrel. Never before have I seen a spot with more lock smiths-its sad and there is no action unless some one is passing through and then they all fight and argue who is going to play the new guy, man i havent seen so many desperate people-thats why i stopped going to vegas pool rooms. there is alot of talen there but the casinos ruined them.
 
Walt Frazier said:
I am starting a club for the hard-core,Stone-Cold,Lock -Artist Gamblers..I will soon own the rights to the phrase "lock artist club" and whomever refers to a lock artist or lock artist club will need to add the TM(trademark) or pay me my money! LOL

Qualifications for lock artist membership:

1.You must be a shrewd gambler,your winners must far outweigh your losers.

2. You must be knowledgeable of all the subtleties and nuances of gambling ie understanding probablities with regards to odds and have "Book-maker type" savvy and gambling sense ..

3. You must be a master of the art of persuasion..which also requires you to be a masterful communicator and negotiator..

4. You must be from the Bill Incardona school of match-making..always get the stone nuts! ...but yet,give the"illusion" that it's gambling ..

5.Last but Not Least..You must know how to..GET DA CASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of you who want to join speak up! and state your credentials!(and risk knocking your action LOL)

Btw,the website is on it's way..www.lockartist.com
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So you now have a TM on "lock artist club", huh?

Well, I just copyrighted the saying...............

"Hey, bud, you want to play some,.....cheap?"

Walt, I think we're talking millions here!!! LOL

Stones
 
Walt Frazier said:
I am starting a club for the hard-core,Stone-Cold,Lock -Artist Gamblers..I will soon own the rights to the phrase "lock artist club" and whomever refers to a lock artist or lock artist club will need to add the TM(trademark) or pay me my money! LOL

Qualifications for lock artist membership:

1.You must be a shrewd gambler,your winners must far outweigh your losers.

2. You must be knowledgeable of all the subtleties and nuances of gambling ie understanding probablities with regards to odds and have "Book-maker type" savvy and gambling sense ..

3. You must be a master of the art of persuasion..which also requires you to be a masterful communicator and negotiator..

4. You must be from the Bill Incardona school of match-making..always get the stone nuts! ...but yet,give the"illusion" that it's gambling ..

5.Last but Not Least..You must know how to..GET DA CASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of you who want to join speak up! and state your credentials!(and risk knocking your action LOL)

Btw,the website is on it's way..www.lockartist.com
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you mean a bunch of nits that don't gamble. only playing when you have the game locked up ins't gambling
 
Hey Jay!

jay helfert said:
The Tooth! :)
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You know that you are an honorary member due to your vast accomplishments in the art of match-making...Your reputation preceeds itself.

It would be an honor...:D
 
You sound like a mark !LOL

:D :D
poolplayer2093 said:
you mean a bunch of nits that don't gamble. only playing when you have the game locked up ins't gambling
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Just kidding my friend..from my vast experience in gambling,I have learned that the only thing that matters is taking down the cash!..Period..Point blank..end of story!..If you disagree,then you're probably "mad at your wallet" and try to get in games where you must play like king kong to get the dough..Or,most probably you're no gambler at all;maybe an occasional 10 or 20 dollar set here and there..but you're primarily a tournament/recreational-type player..Either way,what you must understand is:Nobody gives a crap how good your stroke is ,or how straight you shoot or how pretty your stance is IF YOU CANNOT TAKE DOWN THE CASH ..You can't buy a cup of coffee with pool trophies and awards..

A lot of great players are stone-cold suckers! My buddy Cliff,is a sucker for craps..I mean he is a straight whore for that hard eight!He cannot gamble a lick at it!(he does'nt know when to get up) I have seen him get up 25 dimes and within a matter of minutes he'd be stuck 5 dimes ..Unbelievable

But one thing I can say about Cliff though,he's got plenty of gamble and although he would'nt qualify to be a member in the club because he does'nt need the nuts when he plays (and often gives up the nuts) I'd give him a pass because of his gamble..

So in conclusion my friend,in the wonderful world of pool gambling either you are a sucker(loser) or a winner ..Nuff said!..If I played Cliff speed I would'nt need to be a lock-artist(to the extent I am now) but if you are a short-stop(like me) and you love action;you'd be a fool not to learn the do's and don'ts in matching up..That is if you're not mad at your wallet LOL

Btw,I have got more gamble in my finger than you have in your whole body:) :) ..I am by no means a nit..I AM A COLD BLOODED HUSTLER!:) :confused: :eek: :cool: :rolleyes:

2 Bad I can't make a ball ..hahahahahahahaha
 
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Not sure if lock artist is a compliment or insult anymore, but I dunno if Billy I. falls in the category, given that he's booked two hefty losses recently.

Sounds like he actually gambles rather than steals.
 
Really ..?

CreeDo said:
Not sure if lock artist is a compliment or insult anymore, but I dunno if Billy I. falls in the category, given that he's booked two hefty losses recently.

Sounds like he actually gambles rather than steals.
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Who did Billy lose to ..and I dare ask how bad were the damages.?:D
 
Walt Frazier said:
You know that you are an honorary member due to your vast accomplishments in the art of match-making...Your reputation preceeds itself.

It would be an honor...:D
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Not me Walt. I played many a guy even who I had never met before. I just got up and played, and figured I'd find out fast how good they were. Worked for me.

I was always ready to play, if I felt I had a decent chance to win. A couple of times when I thought I had the nuts (most recently against Tony Chohan), I got beat anyway.

I actually was a better matchmaker for other people than I was for myself. I will say this though. There was a space of time in the late 60's and early 70's when I had a record like the Globetrotters. I mean I would play every day and NEVER lose. I may have won 500 times (an estimate) and lost two or three times in that period. And it wasn't all suckers either (maybe a few :)).

I remember one other thing. I had a healthy bank account, when most of the "players" were running around broke. Many of them would bite me for a "fin" ($5).

But thanks for the compliment anyway.
 
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Flex said:
Ike Runnels.
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And Jesse B. The Lizard got him a few months back. Billy has softened up in his old age. It is true though. He used to NEVER lose.
 
Quinn the ping pong player

Excerpt from The GosPool:

Greatest All-Time Win Percentage (hustler: non-pool):
Quinn, a Ping-Pong player out of NY. He was stoop-shouldered and weighed about 95 lbs. He looked like he had been recently rescued from a death camp. He was so uncoordinated, that when he ate, only about 2 out of 3 forkfuls would actually land in his mouth. The rest would just run down his chest. Somehow, that wasn't the case when he played Ping-Pong. When he played an egg Ping-Pong, he barely moved, drool would run down his cheeks, and he returned every shot until the sucker finally banged one into the net. It was very difficult for his victim to realize the trap he was in, and to quit playing while he (the victim) still had money in his pocket. When I asked him if he ever lost in 40 years of hustling, Quinn replied, "A couple of fins ($5), never a sawbuck ($10)."

(The world champion Marty Reismann wrote about (and got hustled by) Quinn in his autobiography.)
 
jay helfert said:
I actually was a better matchmaker for other people than I was for myself. I will say this though. There was a space of time in the late 60's and early 70's when I had a record like the Globetrotters. I mean I would play every day and NEVER lose. I may have won 500 times (an estimate) and lost two or three times in that period. And it wasn't all suckers either (maybe a few :)).

I remember one other thing. I had a healthy bank account, when most of the "players" were running around broke. Many of them would bite me for a "fin" ($5).
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Chapter 22 Jay? :) we are waiting :(
 
I'll bite...

I consider myself a good gamemaker. My wins far outway my losses. People sometimes call me a lockartist, but like Walt said, these are the guys who are mad at their money. These guys are also jealous because they can't get the cash.

I'm not even a good player. B- speed on my VERY BEST days, C speed normally. But I've been around long enough to know how to pick out the morons and play them. Thats the key to making scores. Finding dumb players with money and ego. Then convincing them they can beat you. There are plenty of them around.

Compare me with the type of emerging good player, who ONLY wants to play TOUGH games with TOUGH players. They are in it for the spotlight of being a good player. They would rather beat a good player for 100 to prove they are better than to beat a sucker for 1000 who can't run 4 balls.

I'd much rather stay a mediocre player and take home the cash, even if I occasionally get called a lockartist.
 
My two candidates ( this is a great thread)

Jack Stamper, better known as Jack Webb because he looked exactly like Jack Webb the actor. Jack moved to LA from Kansas City in the mid sixties. He played around the action spots in Socal, mostly in the Tropicana Bowl. Nobody ever knew how good he played because he never booked a loser, I mean never, except on the occasions where he'd "lay a spread" and lose a little money on purpose. Case in point: Ritchie started off giving Jack the 6 ball, then the call 6, then the 7 ball, then the call seven. then the 8 ball and finally the call 8. Remember this was at a time when Ritchie played about as good a 9 ball as anyone. Jack had great conversation and robbed lots of businessmen types. He used to come to San Fran, at Cochran's and he and I would have a nice week, matching Jack up against the locals, which included some good players.
Next, "Brooklyn Jimmie". Again, noone ever knew how good he played. He loved the racetrack and sometimes he'd get mad when he was staking or betting on "Shorty", Ervolino or "Jersey Red" if they were slow in getting the cash. "Gimmee the stick", he'd holler and rob the poor opponent in order to be able to make the first race. By the way, Jimmy thought he could beat the track and proceeded to do so, his winnings well up in the six figures. Then he made millions in the jewelry business. Jimmy always reminded me a lot of Artie Bodendorf, in that they were both brilliant in their methodology and work habits.
I, obviously have known lots of locksmiths but not many like these two greats.
 
Brooklyn Jimmy Cassas

Grady said:
Jack Stamper, better known as Jack Webb because he looked exactly like Jack Webb the actor. Jack moved to LA from Kansas City in the mid sixties. He played around the action spots in Socal, mostly in the Tropicana Bowl. Nobody ever knew how good he played because he never booked a loser, I mean never, except on the occasions where he'd "lay a spread" and lose a little money on purpose. Case in point: Ritchie started off giving Jack the 6 ball, then the call 6, then the 7 ball, then the call seven. then the 8 ball and finally the call 8. Remember this was at a time when Ritchie played about as good a 9 ball as anyone. Jack had great conversation and robbed lots of businessmen types. He used to come to San Fran, at Cochran's and he and I would have a nice week, matching Jack up against the locals, which included some good players.
Next, "Brooklyn Jimmie". Again, noone ever knew how good he played. He loved the racetrack and sometimes he'd get mad when he was staking or betting on "Shorty", Ervolino or "Jersey Red" if they were slow in getting the cash. "Gimmee the stick", he'd holler and rob the poor opponent in order to be able to make the first race. By the way, Jimmy thought he could beat the track and proceeded to do so, his winnings well up in the six figures. Then he made millions in the jewelry business. Jimmy always reminded me a lot of Artie Bodendorf, in that they were both brilliant in their methodology and work habits.
I, obviously have known lots of locksmiths but not many like these two greats.
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Grady, I must insert a Jimmy-hustle story. I was in Miami watching Jimmy lemon hustle a stone sucker in a local joint. The guy was totally helpless and naturally didnt know Jimmy. Jimmy was about 20 games ahead at $3 a pop when he suddenly quit. "What's wrong?" The sucker queried. "You think I dont know what youre doing." Jimmy replied. "You sluff a few games off to me for cheap money and then you get me to raise it to like 15 or $20 a game and then take me off. I'm from NY, we know about guys like you. I aint going for it." With the guy now denying it all, and begging Jimmy to keep playing, Jimmy finishes him off with, "Ok, I'll give in and do what YOU want. I'll let you win a few back at $15 a game, but then I'm gonna quit. I'll let you get close, but you aint gonna get all the way even." The bet is now $15 a game, and naturally Jimmy goes ahead and busts the guy. The guy couldnt make a ball in the ocean to begin with. Jimmy couldve spotted him the five through the nine.
That is one of many wonderful stories about my pal, the great Brooklyn Jimmy.
 
Grady said:
Jack Stamper, better known as Jack Webb because he looked exactly like Jack Webb the actor. Jack moved to LA from Kansas City in the mid sixties. He played around the action spots in Socal, mostly in the Tropicana Bowl. Nobody ever knew how good he played because he never booked a loser, I mean never, except on the occasions where he'd "lay a spread" and lose a little money on purpose. Case in point: Ritchie started off giving Jack the 6 ball, then the call 6, then the 7 ball, then the call seven. then the 8 ball and finally the call 8. Remember this was at a time when Ritchie played about as good a 9 ball as anyone. Jack had great conversation and robbed lots of businessmen types. He used to come to San Fran, at Cochran's and he and I would have a nice week, matching Jack up against the locals, which included some good players.
Next, "Brooklyn Jimmie". Again, noone ever knew how good he played. He loved the racetrack and sometimes he'd get mad when he was staking or betting on "Shorty", Ervolino or "Jersey Red" if they were slow in getting the cash. "Gimmee the stick", he'd holler and rob the poor opponent in order to be able to make the first race. By the way, Jimmy thought he could beat the track and proceeded to do so, his winnings well up in the six figures. Then he made millions in the jewelry business. Jimmy always reminded me a lot of Artie Bodendorf, in that they were both brilliant in their methodology and work habits.
I, obviously have known lots of locksmiths but not many like these two greats.
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Wow, Jack Webb. I haven't heard that name in decades. I always thought it was funny that he had the same name as the famous actor. I didn't see the resemblance, although he was a roguely handsome guy. Of course I was only looking at how he hit the balls. We played One Pocket at Celebrity Billiards upstairs. I "won" the first two games for ten a game and he asked me to bet twenty.

I said sure and then he beat me one game easily and in the second game on my break I escaped. I could see he had more speed then me and I pulled up. I didn't want to let him break again. He hounded me for a while and tried to get me back on the table, but I was done with him. I really didn't know how good he was, but I wasn't too interested in finding out. Okay okay, you can call me a nit. I've heard it before. I just wasn't keen on playing anyone who I thought was too strong for me. I valued my money too much.

Yes, I paid the time, one game winner.
 
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