Tennesseejoe said:
yes, most agree you should be looking at the object ball last. others argue the opposite. i've tried it both ways, and looking at the cue ball last is far and away the best option for me.
DCP
Long Draw Shot
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yes, most agree you should be looking at the object ball last. others argue the opposite. i've tried it both ways, and looking at the cue ball last is far and away the best option for me.
DCP
The shot is tough, the long-deep-screw (sometimes I love snooker terminology 
. It is simple to demonstrate as well. Simply shoot progressive draw shots, try to get say 3 diamonds of draw with the CB-OB distance progressing from 1 diamond through 7 diamonds. Given that you do hit properly low on the cueball, you must hit harder to get more spin ... hitting harder reduces accuracy for most mortals (in all sports btw).
Russ, I'm not sure that you know anything about DCP other than what you read here .... everything else is your opinion, n'est pas ? I think that DCP does take advice and tries things out, so on this subject our opinions differ.
I agree that many times previously DCP would often not participate after starting a thread, but that has changed. Apparently you did not notice that. Also, I do not think he wants a quick fix, rather he wants to hear from the voice of experience and take it from there.
Once again you have this a bit backwards, we waste our time with you.
Dave, real pleased to see DCP post and participate
. It is simple to demonstrate as well. Simply shoot progressive draw shots, try to get say 3 diamonds of draw with the CB-OB distance progressing from 1 diamond through 7 diamonds. Given that you do hit properly low on the cueball, you must hit harder to get more spin ... hitting harder reduces accuracy for most mortals (in all sports btw).Russ Chewning said:
Russ, I'm not sure that you know anything about DCP other than what you read here .... everything else is your opinion, n'est pas ? I think that DCP does take advice and tries things out, so on this subject our opinions differ.
Russ Chewning said:
I agree that many times previously DCP would often not participate after starting a thread, but that has changed. Apparently you did not notice that. Also, I do not think he wants a quick fix, rather he wants to hear from the voice of experience and take it from there.
Russ Chewning said:Just figured I'd let you all know, lest you waste your time with him.
Russ
Once again you have this a bit backwards, we waste our time with you.
Dave, real pleased to see DCP post and participate
Russ Chewning said:
What he said. Quit posting and start practicing.
I was having a noob moment in a tournament last night and for some reason couldn't make a straight-in shot from across the table. I practiced 5 or 6 straight in shots on another table and voila... no more misses. Practice dude...
I finally appreciate the input DcP has on the forum. It's hard to remember there are ALL skill levels of player reading this on a daily basis.
With that said, you still have the 7 and the breaks, DcP. I'll even come to your table to do it, say race to 7 or 9 for a couple hundred.
-s
With that said, you still have the 7 and the breaks, DcP. I'll even come to your table to do it, say race to 7 or 9 for a couple hundred.
-s
I also suggest an actual practice regimen rather than constantly looking for ways out of bad positions caused by a prior poor shot. You run balls by consistently obtaining decent positon...not by consistently making shots that are far outside of your ability range.
You should try to develop some consistency in your SHORT draws first. If you don't have that, don't waste your time with a moderately difficult long draw that is, for you, a hail mary at best. You should be consistently practicing simple things...not consistently practicing getting out of bad positions.
If you can't do the following drill at least 50% of the time, the draw shot you posted is not something you are ready to actually practice IMHO.
You should try to develop some consistency in your SHORT draws first. If you don't have that, don't waste your time with a moderately difficult long draw that is, for you, a hail mary at best. You should be consistently practicing simple things...not consistently practicing getting out of bad positions.
If you can't do the following drill at least 50% of the time, the draw shot you posted is not something you are ready to actually practice IMHO.
This shot just reveals the inconsistency in your stroke when a lot of force is applied. Although anybody can miss these, a skilled player should make this shot a good percentage of the time.
Try this. Align and aim very carefully. Take your practice stokes. On the final back stroke, take it back slow and easy, then make a nice smooth transition to the forward stroke before applying power. Keep the tip low through the shot.
Trying to muscle draw shots is what jerks the tip off. The transition and acceleration should be smooth and even.
If you can do this, your break shot will improve too.
Chris
Try this. Align and aim very carefully. Take your practice stokes. On the final back stroke, take it back slow and easy, then make a nice smooth transition to the forward stroke before applying power. Keep the tip low through the shot.
Trying to muscle draw shots is what jerks the tip off. The transition and acceleration should be smooth and even.
If you can do this, your break shot will improve too.
Chris
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steev said:
LOL...Rep.
Neil said:
i can relate to dcp about a lot of different things and he's from my area of indiana but i have offered this guy advice on everything from how to play a shot, where to play, who to play, attitude, where to buy a cue, where to get cue repair but he never listened to any of it, now if i offer advice on here and someone doesn't take it, no big deal really and normally i'd just stop offering it, now if the same guy seeks advice from the entire forum for years and never really follows any of it then there's a problem, i'm just trying to get other people to understand it so they don't waste their time on hopeless causes(a lot have realized this but there's always new users), even if he starts to change his ways (big if) he'll revert back to what he was doing all along, this guy is completely REDUNDANT the only difference between him and travis trotter is that he's doing it on purpose
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The . . . . . Pause
If you watched Allison Fisher on the BCA 9 ball yesterday (ESPN), then you saw a great example of the pause before hitting the hard, long draw . . . it was a shot on the 8 ball to a far corner . . . she drew the cue ball almost the entire length of the table and left herself a dead shot on the nine . . . girl still has it and appears that shes worked on her stroke during the last few weeks. She uses the pause in her stroke just prior to every hit.
Another tip . . . keep BOTH your bridge hand and head still (DEAD still) on the harder shots . . . many times shooters pull up etc.to produce the extra ooommph . . . and lose their alignment. Have someone watch you take this shot . . . over and over . . . ask if they see you move. And everyone here dares you to practice it . . . and practice it . . . and . . .until you can come back with confidence saying, "I got it".
mantis99 said:
If you watched Allison Fisher on the BCA 9 ball yesterday (ESPN), then you saw a great example of the pause before hitting the hard, long draw . . . it was a shot on the 8 ball to a far corner . . . she drew the cue ball almost the entire length of the table and left herself a dead shot on the nine . . . girl still has it and appears that shes worked on her stroke during the last few weeks. She uses the pause in her stroke just prior to every hit.
Another tip . . . keep BOTH your bridge hand and head still (DEAD still) on the harder shots . . . many times shooters pull up etc.to produce the extra ooommph . . . and lose their alignment. Have someone watch you take this shot . . . over and over . . . ask if they see you move. And everyone here dares you to practice it . . . and practice it . . . and . . .until you can come back with confidence saying, "I got it".
The mechanical breakdown of the long draw is actually in the forearm and shoulder of the grip hand. It indeed starts with a tight grip hand, but the grip is not totally the culprit.
Try relaxing your shoulder and forearm not only before, but throughout the stroke...especially the forward stroke.
Most important...don't jerk the cue through the CB trying to create speed...
Maintain a relaxed "forearm" through the entire stroke...
Try relaxing your shoulder and forearm not only before, but throughout the stroke...especially the forward stroke.
Most important...don't jerk the cue through the CB trying to create speed...
Maintain a relaxed "forearm" through the entire stroke...
i havne't followed the whole thread here but i offered a bit of advice on a shot on a previous post and even though he kind of went off on me like i had given him ridiculus advice he did post that he'd tried the shot and it had worked. i think he might be taking some of the ideas and running with them, even if he does tend to act like the people giving advice are ignorant even though he's the one asking for help
poolplayer2093 said:
Yup.. Fortunately, it only took 10 posts of "Dude, WTF is wrong with you?" type posts from forum members before he realized that you in fact, gave him the proper shot.
Russ
One problem with harder-hit shots is that the shot stroke is so much faster than the warmup strokes. You line up very carefully while stroking relatively slowly, but then change everything by stroking faster on the actual shot. Try matching the speed of your warmup strokes as much as possible to the way you'll stroke the actual shot. You'll have to be more careful not to accidentally bump the cue ball during your warmup strokes, but the alignment of your stroke with the shot won't change as much when you pull the trigger.
pj
chgo
P.S. I don't mean more strokes per minute; I mean more speed in the forward part of your strokes, as if you're hitting the cue ball harder.
pj
chgo
P.S. I don't mean more strokes per minute; I mean more speed in the forward part of your strokes, as if you're hitting the cue ball harder.
The diagrammed shot is one of my strenghts. In fact, I love this shot too much and I'd be more likely to overdraw it than miss it, especially on a fast table. Speed control is critical on those.
Anyway, in that particular diagram, the draw is not that long. If the CB and OB were 2 diamonds further apart, then it would be much more of a challenge, even for really good players. And if the CB were stuck by the cushion, then the shot would be Deuel/Nevel category.
Anyway, in that particular diagram, the draw is not that long. If the CB and OB were 2 diamonds further apart, then it would be much more of a challenge, even for really good players. And if the CB were stuck by the cushion, then the shot would be Deuel/Nevel category.
This single element will forever limit your ability to mediocre. You should always watch the object ball. There are only a very limited number of occassions when it is OK to watch something besides the object ball: the break shot (some people do watch the cue ball); a masse shot (and maybe certain jump shots)(again watching the cue ball); or a kick shot (watching the rail contact point).DrCue'sProtege said:
-td
td873 said:
some of the best players and instructors that there are would disagree with that.
however, most agree its whatever is best for you. and most agree that if you align properly, aim properly, and stroke properly you can be watching the blonde in the 4th row and the shot will be successful.
DCP