Longest Extreme Draw Shot Recorded

DogsPlayingPool said:
Only thing though is that the video is mislabeled. IIRC, Corey dogs the 9 ball and does not actually run out.

A couple of things regarding the MM video posted by the OP. First off, the CB is only a tad over 3 diamonds from the CB which helps the shot since he is not scrubbing as much backspin off the ball as he would if the balls were farther apart. The other thing is he doesn't actually follow through nearly as much as he claims to be doing. Not saying you shouldn't follow through. Just that when I looked at the video it was obvious his cue didn't continue through nearly as much as he said it was.

That said, no knock on Mike. There is no questioning his ability to stroke a cue ball. :grin:

The video taken at Shoreline wasn't so impressive to me. While the balls were farther apart, making it more difficult, it was also apparent he kept putting unwanted left english on every shot. At least I don't think he was doing that intentionally unless doing it so the running english would help maintain the speed to get the ball back up table. But the ball would go dead right after coming back off the foot rail. If stroked properly at the angle he was shooting, the CB would not go to that other side rail. That's a 5/10ths deduction because something isn't going right when that happens. He would draw it even further if he could hit on the vertical center line because he could make contact even lower on the ball.
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I am always surprised when people discuss form or the un wanted english on his previous shots after seeing chris capp's draw shot video... From my perspective the distance the cue ball travel's at 2:00 speaks for it self. He drew the crap out of that ball.

He obviously wasn't worried about his form or accuracy when making the video just going for max draw.

I've yet to see a documented draw shot that travels more distance. I'm sure it's out there, but I haven't seen it.

If anyone can duplicate or beat that distance I'd like to see it.

Dud
 
Nick Mannino

SpiderWebComm said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWrchihrkpw
Here's a video I made way back when Superstar Raph questioned my ability to draw the CB while throwing the cue.

As someone previously mentioned, the CB/OB distance is a huge factor when figuring a baseline. Unless all of the videos have the same setup with the same cloth (heck, even the same table, imo), they're all different and can't be compared.
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Did Nick teach you to throw the cue?
 
Larry Nevel by far...

If anyone has ever seen Larry do that Mike Massey shot,but full table length and FROZEN on the back rail, drawing 2 table lengths, would agree it's the best they have ever seen.
 
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i am playing in a small $5.00 tournament in lake havasu az on a bar box. i am using my joss west, i break as hard as i can with draw, balls explode nothing goes in, cue ball jumps straight up, and plants in the middle of the table, my opponent moves to the table as i start to leave, we notice the cue ball is quivering, it sets there for 15 plus seconds, finally slows enough to grip the cloth and shoots back to the break end hits the rail and goes back down table.
we look at each other burst out laughing, i would pay $1000.00 for a video of that freak shot.


chuck starkey
 
Has anyone ever seen the Paul Hunter draw shot on the blue? Never seen a CB hit so sweet. Suprised his snooker cue didn't fracture. From what I remember there was no elbow drop either. On a snooker table that shots impossible apart from 0.01% of the population.

I would love to see little comps out there for draw shots at large events for the public. Enter $10 everyone uses the same cue, CB-OB distance 6 diamonds apart top 3 split the money accordingly. Who wouldn't enter something like that if they went to watch the US open or Mosconi cup? Something quite Alpha Male about having a huge draw stroke, or atleast that's what most guys think!
 
sfleinen said:
Let's get something straight, for you seem to be wont of "nailing" people on technicalities:

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HIT A DRAW SHOT ON A POOL TABLE WITH A "LEVEL" CUE. THE RAIL OF THE TABLE ITSELF GETS IN THE WAY, AND ONE HAS TO SLIGHTLY ANGLE THE CUE OVER IT TO PROVIDE CLEARANCE FOR THE CUE ITSELF, THE HAND GRIPPING IT, AS WELL AS THE NATURAL DOWNWARD ARC OF THE STROKE ITSELF. In order to hit a draw shot with a "level" cue, one would have to remove the rail of the table on the side closest to the body, and stroke over the precipice of the slate itself onto the bed of the table.​

Happy now? Do this meet your definition of "level"?

Yes, in order to hit a draw shot, *of course* one has to angle the cue slightly downwards. But good, accurate draw shots aren't accomplished by "jacking up" (e.g. to 30- or 45-degree angle).

-Sean
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Actually Sean, this is not accurate. Since the typical pool cue is 58" and most 9' pool tables are, well, 9' (100" bed)...you very easily CAN hit a draw shot with a level cue. For a right hander, just set up the OB on the left side rail and the CB close to it. You can lay your cue flat on the bed of the cloth if you really want to and have plenty of room to stroke. Certain grips on the cue are made with nothing *below* the cue (although I wouldn't want to do it myself, I've seen people break and draw a ton this way). So the grip issue is easily overcome. Also, for elbow droppers, there is no need for a "natural downward arc" of the stroke. Many can hit a piston type stroke with a well timed elbow drop.

The reason elevation can help with very long super power draw shots is that the travel distance from the cue ball to the object ball if far away can be made mostly in the air, which means less loss of backspin due to friction. In fact, if you could land on the object ball, I imagine you would get a force vector in the "backwards" direction to further help the draw action.

I probably wouldn't have replied but the all caps yelling got my attention ;-)

KMRUNOUT
 
desi2960 said:
i am playing in a small $5.00 tournament in lake havasu az on a bar box. i am using my joss west, i break as hard as i can with draw, balls explode nothing goes in, cue ball jumps straight up, and plants in the middle of the table, my opponent moves to the table as i start to leave, we notice the cue ball is quivering, it sets there for 15 plus seconds, finally slows enough to grip the cloth and shoots back to the break end hits the rail and goes back down table.
we look at each other burst out laughing, i would pay $1000.00 for a video of that freak shot.


chuck starkey
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thats awesome!!!

i seen that a couple times(in what seems like a million times) it is amazing when that happens, i aint got the power to make that happen.
 
I believe Watchez has posted a story of Kucharo and Nevel doing draw shots for the dough years ago. Someone whispered in his ear to bet on Kucharo and it worked out well for him.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Actually Sean, this is not accurate. Since the typical pool cue is 58" and most 9' pool tables are, well, 9' (100" bed)...you very easily CAN hit a draw shot with a level cue. For a right hander, just set up the OB on the left side rail and the CB close to it. You can lay your cue flat on the bed of the cloth if you really want to and have plenty of room to stroke. Certain grips on the cue are made with nothing *below* the cue (although I wouldn't want to do it myself, I've seen people break and draw a ton this way). So the grip issue is easily overcome. Also, for elbow droppers, there is no need for a "natural downward arc" of the stroke. Many can hit a piston type stroke with a well timed elbow drop.

The reason elevation can help with very long super power draw shots is that the travel distance from the cue ball to the object ball if far away can be made mostly in the air, which means less loss of backspin due to friction. In fact, if you could land on the object ball, I imagine you would get a force vector in the "backwards" direction to further help the draw action.

I probably wouldn't have replied but the all caps yelling got my attention ;-)

KMRUNOUT
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KMR:

You didn't read the thread far enough. You stopped at that post (the one you quoted and responded to), but didn't read further. Go to posts #33 and #35. They'll answer your concerns and refute the info you post above. ;)

-Sean
 
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