looking for a "higher deflection low-deflection" shaft. Advice appreciated

driz86

driz86

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I'd recently purchased one of those mcDermott lucky whatever cues (has 3/8x10 joint) just to have as a bar cue and am looking to get a shaft for it. I'm looking in the direction of one of the g-core or i-2 shafts (but I'm open to anything, really) but here's where I need advice. I've tried those predator cues and really don't like them. Maybe it's because I learned to play with maple and can deal with deflection or who knows. I really am just after something consistent. As long as it's consistent enough for me to learn where the cb will deflect that's fine. This is one reason a shaft like that appeals to me because with that carbon fiber core it's supposed to be more consistent given the cheapness.
now the guy i talked to on the phone at seyberts was saying that the g-core deflects more than the i-2 (and i wouldnt necessarily mind that, or the lower price tag) but he sounded kinda like he didn't have a clue. I wouldn't mind something like the "most deflecting low-deflection shaft". With that being said, can you share your thoughts/experience?
 
technically nothing. I just didn't like it so therefore I'm looking to replace it.
 
ScottK said:
What's wrong with the shaft it came with?
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+1

Did you read your own question? You're buying into the marketing of these shafts. You want a high deflection shaft but it must be branded as a LD shaft? Play with the shaft it came with, it's the high deflection shaft that you're searching so hard for.

The consistency you're looking for won't come from the shaft but you as a player...
 
Nitrous said:
+1

Did you read your own question? You're buying into the marketing of these shafts. You want a high deflection shaft but it must be branded as a LD shaft? Play with the shaft it came with, it's the high deflection shaft that you're searching so hard for.

The consistency you're looking for won't come from the shaft but you as a player...
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whatever, smartass. The "low deflection" thing was a figure of speech I used referring to something not natural maple. the advantage would be something that performed pretty well while still being cheap. The g-core isn't necessarily considered low deflection but it does have that composite core, see?
 
Let me see if I understand this...
You bought a cheap cue for a bar cue so you don't care if it gets dinged or stolen.
You now want to upgrade the shaft to a low deflection quality for said bar cue.
And rather than using the search function you started a new thread.

Dude... Save your money and invest in a complete cue with what you're looking for or just use what you have for the bar and get something nicer for those special occasions.
Make no sense to buy a cheap cue and swap out to a shaft that cost more than another complete cue.

And this is coming from a guy who had a low deflection shaft "made" for my expensive production cue....
 
What is it that you don't like about the stock shaft? I ask because I had one of the Lucky cues before and when I first got it I didn't really like the hit of it, it comes with a cheap, no name tip, I replaced it with a Triangle tip and loved the hit of it. You may try switching tips before you throw money at a shaft you may or may not like. The shaft wood is pretty good quality and the taper is a pro taper so I would guess you don't like the stock shaft because of the tip, not the shaft itself. Much cheaper to change tips then buy a new shaft. Put your tip of choice on there and I bet you'll like it.
 
They may not want to hear me say this but... my i2 is a bit less LD than my OB Classic. So I would say go with the G-Core. Also Players has one for about $95 that is not so LD.

Then again you could have the stock shaft turned down & put a lighter ferrule on it & it will be bit more LD than when it was stock.

I hope some of this helps.

Best Wishes & Good Luck with It &
 
If you really want to raise the deflection then you can try changing the ferrule to an ivory one or something else that is heavier than stock.
 
ld shaft

I agree with the change the tip first. Invest 15 bucks on a good tip you might like what you have. You can find many posts on tip advice I'll leave that up to you to research.
 
I like my Players HXT shaft, for a bit over 100 you get a shaft with a lower LD than the Predators and OB, and it comes with a Kamui Black Soft tip as standard. Can't beat that. http://www.seyberts.com/index.php?p=catalog&mode=search&search_in=all&search_str=HXT&x=0&y=0

I do have to say, the prices for the HXT stuff has gone up about 20% since I bought mine, but it's still a good buy. My shaft hits and feels almost like a standard shaft, but you can aim more naturally with spin, the adjustment I need to make with spin is 50% closer to the aim on center ball than I had to do with my regular shafts.
 
driz86 said:
I'd recently purchased one of those mcDermott lucky whatever cues (has 3/8x10 joint) just to have as a bar cue and am looking to get a shaft for it. I'm looking in the direction of one of the g-core or i-2 shafts (but I'm open to anything, really) but here's where I need advice. I've tried those predator cues and really don't like them. Maybe it's because I learned to play with maple and can deal with deflection or who knows. I really am just after something consistent. As long as it's consistent enough for me to learn where the cb will deflect that's fine. This is one reason a shaft like that appeals to me because with that carbon fiber core it's supposed to be more consistent given the cheapness.
now the guy i talked to on the phone at seyberts was saying that the g-core deflects more than the i-2 (and i wouldnt necessarily mind that, or the lower price tag) but he sounded kinda like he didn't have a clue. I wouldn't mind something like the "most deflecting low-deflection shaft". With that being said, can you share your thoughts/experience?
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Any cue with 12.75 mm dia tip or smaller will naturally have LD properties (mainly because 1- low end mass, and 2-you will have better visual control over where the tip contacts CB and you will not go too far to edge of CB to cause that extra deflection), with that comes extra swerve that you have to deal with.. what ever cue you try, always shoot a spot shot from the head string, with high right or high left hard (ensure role and spin, so to cancels swerve and almost eliminate english induced throw)


read all the post below

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=4032090#post4032090
 
driz86 said:
whatever, smartass. The "low deflection" thing was a figure of speech I used referring to something not natural maple. the advantage would be something that performed pretty well while still being cheap. The g-core isn't necessarily considered low deflection but it does have that composite core, see?
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It seems you "turned him off"? It's kinda like making eye contact....gotta know when to do it;)

It was sort of an AC/DC question...which way you swinging? Just keep it simple.
 
Some thoughts, may be off-base... you tell me.

• You come across as someone who cares about the feel of the hit... like some people complain an OB feels mushy but a predator feels stiff and has a good hit. If a predator doesn't feel right to you either, you might not like the feel of ANY low deflection shaft, regardless of whether it reduces deflection by 3% or 30%.

• Maybe you don't like it because you're not used to the low deflection and missed some balls?

• If feel is important to you, buying blind based on internet advice is a bad move. You really should try before you buy.

• You mentioned a lack of consistency. Like the shaft deflects this much one day, and that much the next? You gotta be brutally honest with yourself and ask if it's the stick that's inconsistent or the player.

It's possible it's the stick, I've heard quirks of the wood grain affect how much it deflects, which is part of the reason LD shafts are made of 'pie slices' with multiple pieces, instead of a single piece of wood. So maybe you just need a pie-slice type of shaft to solve your consistency issue. But again, what if you don't like the feel?

• IMO no point in aiming for like 5% less deflection. You should either commit to lower deflection (maximum decrease is about 30% vs. standard shaft) or just stick to what you know. If you spent years dealing with deflection, you should just keep using those types of shafts. If it's made to a high standard, it will be consistent.
 
Problem with the question

driz86 said:
whatever, smartass. The "low deflection" thing was a figure of speech I used referring to something not natural maple. the advantage would be something that performed pretty well while still being cheap. The g-core isn't necessarily considered low deflection but it does have that composite core, see?
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I don't think he was being a smart ass.

The title of your thread...looking for a "higher deflection/low deflection" shaft...is confusing at best. Kind of like, "I'm looking for a fat girlfriend who weighs 90 pounds".
 
I found that the original Tiger LD shafts played closer to my standard shaft than the Predator or OB shafts did. They had a little more deflection than each and was easier for me to play with. Maybe you can find one at a good price since they're older.

Good luck.
Dave
 
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