Looking for Carom / 3 Cushion cues for sale

I have 1 such cue. I don't know who made it but it has a Schuler joint and 1 shaft. All black butt. Very straight and hits very well. I bought it with a Ray Schuler from Billiardshot. The Schuler stays in my 3C collection, but I could part with this black cue fairly cheap. It is definitely the best hitting short money cue I have ever used.

18.8oz
Tulip wood collar ring and joint
Shaft could use some TLC, has a small ding or two to steam out.
Butt solid needs nothing
Good tip and ferrule
$115 delivered

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I have 1 such cue. I don't know who made it but it has a Schuler joint and 1 shaft. All black butt. Very straight and hits very well. I bought it with a Ray Schuler from Billiardshot. The Schuler stays in my 3C collection, but I could part with this black cue fairly cheap. It is definitely the best hitting short money cue I have ever used.

18.8oz
Tulip wood collar ring and joint
Shaft could use some TLC, has a small ding or two to steam out.
Butt solid needs nothing
Good tip and ferrule
$115 delivered
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Drawman, thanks much but I will pass on this one. Thanks again
 
Still looking for a carom / 3 cushion cue or its shafts.

I am interested in:

Adam or Helmstetter
Longoni
Kobayashi
Layani
maybe Hanbat cues.

Can be wood or double jointed

I am also interested in shafts, such as Adam ACSS, Longoni shafts, etc.

(I am not interested in Schuler cues as their cues do feel more like a pool cue, especially at the butt and weight distribution. American cuemakers need a long way to go in 3 cushion cue making :)

Thanks.
 
If your really sersious, call Dennis Dieckman. he makes a very very good carom cue. http://www.cuemaker.com/

Interesting that youu don't like Schulers. I have a couple of them, and they play very good, but my Dieckamn cue far outshines them, in hit,feel, balance, and looks. Good luck in your search. I seriously doubt you'll find that any of the other production cues you mentioned satifactory, if the Schuler isn't cutting it for you.
 
Good luck in your search. I seriously doubt you'll find that any of the other production cues you mentioned satifactory, if the Schuler isn't cutting it for you.

Thank you. But I suggest you not to doubt me. What would you tell me if I told you that Top 10 three cushion players do play with "other production cues" such as Adam and Longoni? :smile:

1 Blomdahl, Torbjorn Sweden ADAM BL02 Blomdahl
2 Jaspers, Dick Netherlands LONGONI DJ09
3 Sayginer, Semih Turkey Was with Adam, just signed with Longoni
4 Zanetti, Marco Italy Longoni Blue Night
5 Caudron, Frédéric Belgium LAYANI (previously played with ADAM)
6 Carlsen, Tonny Denmark LONGONI TC09
7 Sanchez, Daniel Spain ADAM Daniel Sanchez series
8 Nelin, Dion Denmark ?
9 Tasdemir, Tayfun Turkey ADAM TT
10 Bedoya, Jaime Colombia ?

This list does not include thousands and thousands of other 3 cushion players. But based on Top 10, it should give you an idea about the rest :wink: Schuler and Dieckman cues are a ?? to me. Tried Schuler cues, it just feels like a pool cue with a short ferrule. And sorry but Dieckman cues do look funny to me with cave man drawings lol.
 
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LOL I just checked the website to Dieckman. This guy is a total joke! "Send me a check for $1000" LOL and even the website sucks. Totally unprofessional! And his cue making machines are like back from 80s? :smile: I can't believe people spend SO MUCH MONEY on jokesters...

Carom / Three cushion cues are best made by professionals.
From Italy http://www.longonicues.com/
From Japan http://www.adam-japan.com/cues/index.html

There is technology and best three cushion expertise in the world behind these cues.

Anyone has ADAM or LONGONI carom cues. Please contact me.
 
LOL I just checked the website to Dieckman. This guy is a total joke! "Send me a check for $1000" LOL and even the website sucks. Totally unprofessional! And his cue making machines are like back from 80s? :smile: I can't believe people spend SO MUCH MONEY on jokesters...

Carom / Three cushion cues are best made by professionals.
From Italy http://www.longonicues.com/
From Japan http://www.adam-japan.com/cues/index.html

There is technology and best three cushion expertise in the world behind these cues.

Anyone has ADAM or LONGONI carom cues. Please contact me.

:rolleyes:
Chuck
 
LOL I just checked the website to Dieckman. This guy is a total joke! "Send me a check for $1000" LOL and even the website sucks. Totally unprofessional! And his cue making machines are like back from 80s? :smile: I can't believe people spend SO MUCH MONEY on jokesters...

Carom / Three cushion cues are best made by professionals.
From Italy http://www.longonicues.com/
From Japan http://www.adam-japan.com/cues/index.html

There is technology and best three cushion expertise in the world behind these cues.

Anyone has ADAM or LONGONI carom cues. Please contact me.


The new USBA Prezzzident is going to send his secret service after you, better find your passport and a plastic surgeon!
 
^^ LOL I already got my passport in hands. I live in Europe. I lost 10 kg so no need for surgery LOL. So new USBA Prez powers are obsolete here :wink:

I just thought I could find a non-American-made three cushion cue here in this forum that is not being used by its owner...

Edit: Wait. Is the new USBA president that Dieckman guy??? if that is the case...LMAO hahahahahha
 
^^ LOL I already got my passport in hands. I live in Europe. I lost 10 kg so no need for surgery LOL. So new USBA Prez powers are obsolete here :wink:

I just thought I could find a non-American-made three cushion cue here in this forum that is not being used by its owner...

Edit: Wait. Is the new USBA president that Dieckman guy??? if that is the case...LMAO hahahahahha

Yeah that Dieckman guy is the USBA Prezzz.

There's not so many 3-C players here at AZ and you might have trouble finding what you want. If I were you, I'd be looking for an old Helmstetter wood screw cue as those were the bomb and every cue you mention is really just an extension of that original Helmstetter design (which did totally change 3-C cues - apparently forever).

As far as Dieckman's cues go, you might not like his website or the look of his cues or his manner of doing business, but its clear you have never actually held one or hit 3-C with one of his cue, because they are exactly what you are looking for and are fabulous for 3-C and hand made.

Do yourself a favor, lose the attitude and make friends here at AZ rather than just making people figure you are some a-hole. You might actually learn something, although, judging from the way you come off, that might be a very difficult task indeed. Your assertion that the cues sponsored professionals are paid to use is important in determining quality is the same reasoning that pool bangers used when the purchased Earl Strickland fiberglass Cuetecs. Perhaps you are a 3-C banger equivalent.

Slightly used Dieckmans and wood screw Helmstetters go (rarely) on AZ in the $500 to $800 range and that is a great deal. If that's too much, guys sell great Chinese made wood screw cues made to the original Hemstetter specs for about $80, maybe that's your speed.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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Yeah that Dieckman guy is the USBA Prezzz.

** I think this old man Dieckman needs to learn some professional attire if he is sitting on top of the food chain as far as billiards go in U.S :p When I checked out his website, the gallery section I believe, where he says the people who help him or the ppl he knows or something..I thought I will see pics of Blomdahl, Ceulamans, Jaspers or something. (I bet you have no idea who these people are LOL. If you do, perhaps you understand the background and the 3-c culture that I am coming from:) The people in the pics looked like his neighbors, or the Mexican lawnmowers LOL (sorry)

There's not so many 3-C players here at AZ and you might have trouble finding what you want. If I were you, I'd be looking for an old Helmstetter wood screw cue as those were the bomb and every cue you mention is really just an extension of that original Helmstetter design (which did totally change 3-C cues - apparently forever).

** I perfectly agree with you about wood screw Adam/Helmstetter cues to have changed the 3-C game. Longoni is up there as well. I found AZ/FS forum based on an old for sale thread, an Adam top of the line cue for sale and for reasonable price, that is what brought me here.

As far as Dieckman's cues go, you might not like his website or the look of his cues or his manner of doing business, but its clear you have never actually held one or hit 3-C with one of his cue, because they are exactly what you are looking for and are fabulous for 3-C and hand made.

** I am sorry but, he is charging too much, way too much basically for his labor. There are so many pro cuemakers such as him in where I live. These people come from the 3-C culture. In my city, there are over 2000 carom tables, and it is a city of 5 mil. Perhaps this gives you an idea. It is true that I never played with Dieckman cue, but I am no way paying the amount of money he is asking especially after seeing his work. No ivories on his cues or maybe very little, so he is basically charging for his labor. I can show you dozens of home-business-operation cuemakers, people who generations of generations played 3-C, they do not even touch pool tables. Perhaps these give you an idea.

Do yourself a favor, lose the attitude and make friends here at AZ rather than just making people figure you are some a-hole. You might actually learn something, although, judging from the way you come off, that might be a very difficult task indeed. Your assertion that the cues sponsored professionals are paid to use is important in determining quality is the same reasoning that pool bangers used when the purchased Earl Strickland fiberglass Cuetecs. Perhaps you are a 3-C banger equivalent.

** If people will call me an a-hole bec. I called the new USBA Prez sticks to be average (LOL) so let it be. I do not care. 3-C and carambolage people shall wake up and see the truth. It is like the story of two tailors who made the most expensive "invisible" cloth for the king. Until the little child yelled out the truth: "The king is naked!" Hope you got my point. Listen, I am not here to make enemies or not necessarily for friends. I am simply looking for a cue. I am sorry things turned out to be this way when I called the USBA Prezz made sticks to be totally, but totally average :D Just for a clarification, I did not come here on the AZ forums to dis the Dieckman cues or anything. Simply looking for what I want. But Dieckman cues and for that price? Helloooo LOL. Whoever is interested in, I can perhaps introduce you to the world of 3 cushion and its proper cues. Thank you.

*** As for your comparison to pool cues. I am not interested in buying an Adam or Longoni bec. top pros play with it. There is reasoning behind it. See for yourself on the above links about the technology, handwork and experience involved with Adam and Longoni cues. I already own an Adam Super Professional 903 and BL-02. I used to own a Longoni Ambra. I know what I am looking for. And top pros (and tens of thousands of carom better players in Europe) do play with Adams and Longonis for a reason! Schuler cues made some entrance to Euro market, but not really preferred and I played with them. I just didn't like it. I can say the butt diameter felt smaller than carom cues.

Slightly used Dieckmans and wood screw Helmstetters go (rarely) on AZ in the $500 to $800 range and that is a great deal. If that's too much, guys sell great Chinese made wood screw cues made to the original Hemstetter specs for about $80, maybe that's your speed.

** Sir, there are tons of wood screw cues around me. I know what I am looking for. Thanks :)


Thanks

Kevin

Below 2008 for sale thread brought me here (if the then-buyer reads this, I am interested in the below cue)
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=85949
 
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Below 2008 for sale thread brought me here (if the then-buyer reads this, I am interested in the below cue)
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=85949

Actually I have heard of Blomdahl and Ceulemans and have been lucky enough to see them both play. Its funny how you need to imagine me to be slightly more ignorant than I really am in order to talk down to me.

As far you your offer to introduce me to me to the world of 3 cushion, thanks for the offer but I think I'd much rather see you introduce a bucket to your fat head to soak in.

Good luck in your search, and when I'm looking for information from a pompous blow hard, I'll be sure to know where to look.

Thanks again

Kevin
 
Actually I have heard of Blomdahl and Ceulemans and have been lucky enough to see them both play. Its funny how you need to imagine me to be slightly more ignorant than I really am in order to talk down to me.

As far you your offer to introduce me to me to the world of 3 cushion, thanks for the offer but I think I'd much rather see you introduce a bucket to your fat head to soak in.

Good luck in your search, and when I'm looking for information from a pompous blow hard, I'll be sure to know where to look.

Thanks again

Kevin

Hey. Why is the attitude? It is good you know about 3-c pros, as most Americans would normally not know about them even if they play 3c.

I think you are pissed bec. you own a Dieckman cue, you know that I am right about them being stiffingly high priced and not as good quality as you think (and I had no clue about dieckman cues or who the usba president until i start posting here lol)

Or maybe you were the self-assigned 3C man to come to on these boards and you are threatened by me? Or the new USBA prez is your cousin-in-law? :p

And also you obviously know what the real 3c players play with and that is what I am in search of for reasonable prices in the U.S. Bec nobody, but nobody will spend a silver dime on a dieckman cue in where I live. And in U.S, it is not so hard for good deals to come by on carom cues.

I think you need to drop the attitude and try to be helpful rather than directing me to dieckman cues like everyone else have been doing here lol.
And if you have nothing for sale as to what I want, chill your ass on a frozen ice, try not to increase your IQ by increasing your post count (it will actually drop) and let go of this issue.
 
Hey. Why is the attitude? It is good you know about 3-c pros, as most Americans would normally not know about them even if they play 3c.

I think you are pissed bec. you own a Dieckman cue, you know that I am right about them being stiffingly high priced and not as good quality as you think (and I had no clue about dieckman cues or who the usba president until i start posting here lol)

Or maybe you were the self-assigned 3C man to come to on these boards and you are threatened by me? Or the new USBA prez is your cousin-in-law? :p

And also you obviously know what the real 3c players play with and that is what I am in search of for reasonable prices in the U.S. Bec nobody, but nobody will spend a silver dime on a dieckman cue in where I live. And in U.S, it is not so hard for good deals to come by on carom cues.

I think you need to drop the attitude and try to be helpful rather than directing me to dieckman cues like everyone else have been doing here lol.
And if you have nothing for sale as to what I want, chill your ass on a frozen ice, try not to increase your IQ by increasing your post count (it will actually drop) and let go of this issue.

Again, you attribute thoughts to me that I don't have all so you can prove me wrong. You don't have a clue what most American would know.

You might actually be a bit surprised if you were to ask, say Ceulemans, I believe you mentioned him in a respectful tone, for his opinion on Dieckman, who you felt so free to bash after educating yourself by looking at his website for a couple of minutes. Ceulemans and Blomdahl will both know who Dieckman is. Will they know who you are?

In case I'm being too obtuse here, I'm asking you who you are. Dennis Dieckman is Dieckman, known by his reputation, cue building and website. I'm Kevin Brewer, everyone here at AZ knows me, I post as myself. You joined our community and bashed a guy who has been building cues for over 30 years and has garnered enough respect in the 3-C world to rise to President of the USBA. You are a guy that posts anonymously, bashing Dieckman in what was your 3rd or 4th post here at AZ, calling him a "joke". You cite world champions 3-c players as somehow your authority. Just how does that work? Are you speaking for them? Is your opinion their opinion? I have doubts that any of the champions you point to would know you at all, yet all do know Dieckman and show him respect. So again, I ask you, who are you?

Good luck in your search. I'm sure you will do real well here at AZ.

Kevin
 
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Again, you attribute thoughts to me that I don't have all so you can prove me wrong.

You might actually be a bit surprised if you were to ask, say Ceulemans, I believe you mentioned him in a respectful tone, for his opinion on Dieckman, who you felt so free to bash after educating yourself by looking at his website for a couple of minutes. Ceuleman and Blomdahl will both know who Dieckman is. Will they know who you are?

Good luck in your search

Kevin

LOL I see that you like to edit and do a comeback with a sharper tongue!

If Dickman is America's best to offer as far as 3c cuemakers go, Ceulemans, Blomdahl and other top players will certainly acknowledge him. After all, Dickman is a cuemaker who for the least is trying to promote the game on U.S soil. But don't ask them if they will want to play with a dickman cue, even for free :D

As for your question, will they know me? Ceulemans is before my time and he is not on the tour for a long time. Blomdahl, he certainly knows me and would recognize me as I am friends with Tayfun Taşdemir. I also bought few shafts from Sören-Sogaard, where Blomdahl used to pick among 100s of Adam shafts. My friend, I am not writing these to impress anybody, and I can give whole a lot more info. Especially 3-C players in U.S. The game needs to be promoted there and in primitive stages. It is a Mexican and Korea town game for now.

Here in the below websites, you can see what kind of technology, expertise and handwork goes behind Adam and Longonis.

I tell you what, Kevin, "you can come over here and I will introduce you to good players. You will have heck of a time and also will introduce you to Hacı Yaman -last year's artistique champion and this year's runner-up- but all those won't be cheap. Prepare to give me a check for $5K and spend two weeks with me" LMAO :) On a serious note: you are always welcome if you like 3c ;)

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