Looking for Gina
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Sam,
I have a BIG Gina coming soon. This Gina is pictured in the Blue Book of cues but this one also has Gambling history behind it.
Archy "the Greek" beat Bobby Baldwin for more than $1,000,000 with this very cue.
MY buddy who has the cue is in Reno at the Bar Table event so I won't have photos until after he returns to Vegas.
When I get the cue up for sale it will be in the $6,500 price range. The Blue Book says this cue is worth over $7K
and that does not count the value that the history brings along to this cue.
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Yeah what he said. Quality, design, craftsmanship, woodworking, precision, fit and finish among the, if not the, best in the business. "Hit" is completely subjective. The great thing about Ginas is the Ernie's quality control is such that they all feel (other than weight variations) very much the same, from a $2K cue to a $40K cue.
Kevin
I have hit with several Gina cues and it among the best of the best playing cue out there. The quality of Ernie's shafts are amazing and hence one of the reason why the play so good and consistent. Just holding the cue in your hand...you know it's going to play good. I personally have played with all kinds of cues and Ernie cues in term of playability is in my top 5 list of the best playing cues I've ever had. Maybe I got lucky but man...this cue is unbelievable. If I don't move this cue in Valley forge, I will send it to Ernie to make it perfect and use it as my playing cue.
Check it out, I have it available on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fancy-16A-c...265?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item33719f4c51
Check it out, I have it available on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fancy-16A-c...265?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item33719f4c51
Sorry, but I call BS on this. Not the fact that Ernie had great quality control, just the fact that he (or anyone else for that matter) can make all their cues hit/play the same. All woods wil be slightly different even if they are from the same species. They grow naturally so it's impossible for them to be the same. The variances will be even greater when they are made from a different species of wood.
Continuing on, there is the joint material. A steel joint will obviously play different from and Ivory one or wood to wood.
Then of course there is the shaft wood. Again, even with the same taper, because wood grows naturally, they will all play a little different. And while we're on the subject, we may as well bring tips into the equation. I have had tips on cues that I loved and then decided to try a different tip and the cue plays/feels completely different. And then there's ferrule material......
So if you can explain how, even with all those variances, Ernie (or anyone) can somehow make all his cues hit the same I would be more than willing to listen.
I have no idea how he does it, he's the cue maker. I'm sure you could feel the difference seeing you understand it so much deeper than I, but I can't.
Thanks
Kevin
I believe Sammi Sam is trying to purchase a Gina on the "For Sale" forum. If Mash wants an explanation on the physics of Ernie's cues perhaps he can contact him directly or post his questions/concerns in the "Cuemaker's" forum.
I own two Gina's...one with an ivory joint and the other with a SS joint. They are both good playing cues.
Good Luck with your search...
I hardly need a lesson in physics. In fact if you read my post, you'll notice I was the one giving the lesson.
I'm sure both your Gina's play great. I was not questioning IF Ernie's cues play well. In fact, I know that the one's I have played with do in fact play great.
My objection was to the claim that they all feel/play the same. Had Kevin simply stated that there is a good chance that if you buy one, you'll most certainly get a good playing cue I wouldn't have even commented.
The problem is there are a lot of people who regurgitate the info they are fed without knowing or checking to see if the info is correct. I have heard several cue makers tell potential customers that all their cues play the same because of their "secret techniques" they have for building them. Some of them state that because they core their cues that makes their cues all play the same. The fact is, that is impossible.
The best cuemakers will tell you the same thing I am if they are being honest with you and they have the intelligence, knowledge, and education to know the difference. Thomas Wayne, Jim Buss, and Paul Drexler come to mind here.
Kevin,
You seem to be an intelligent person. Ask yourself a question.... Have you ever replaced a tip on a cue that you really liked the way it played, and then didn't like the way it played after?
This is the reason why there are so many tips on the market and why no two cues can feel or play exactly the same. If they were all the same there wouldn't be any reason for all the different types. Even though they are all made out of leather, they are all different. Why? Because it's a natural material. Moori went a long way to bring consistancy to the tip market when he introduced the layered tip. There are also other tip manufacturers that go about it a different way such as treating and pressing the tip differently during the manufacturering process.
So, if you can feel the difference just by changing the tip, how are you going to state that all the cues play the same? Whats if one was delivered with a Moori hard and another with a Kamui Black soft? Can you honestly tell me that they would play the same?
The defense rests.
I will be listing one for a friend very soon. I do not know what model it is, but it is a pretty big cue. Full ivory buttcap, ivory inlays, and ivory rings. Piloted SS joint, and two awesome shafts with ivory ferrules. Cue is in excellent shape, no dings or knicks anywhere. I do not have pics yet, but when I do I am going to start a thread. He is asking $5000 OBO, and I am not sure yet about international shipping.
Braden
Braden
Great cues!
Besides the joint they all do seem to hit unbelievably similar. I don't think any cue hits the same but if you blind fold me all i could tell is if it a steel joint or an ivory one not one cue from the next. I own 11 ginas and just traded 3 and all of them had heavy shafts, leather wraps, moori tips, same joint and a similar shaft taper. I think his level of consistency is second to none and thats the reason his cues command the prices they do. If i buy another i doubt i'm going to be surprised by the way it plays. If you change the tips or taper when you get it of course it will change the hit but i bet coming straight from Earnie it hits like a Gina:thumbup: Ps i have a 59" 12a with an ivory joint in great shape except small chip in the butt over the veneers about the size of a b.b. If interested pm me.Thanks Nate
Besides the joint they all do seem to hit unbelievably similar. I don't think any cue hits the same but if you blind fold me all i could tell is if it a steel joint or an ivory one not one cue from the next. I own 11 ginas and just traded 3 and all of them had heavy shafts, leather wraps, moori tips, same joint and a similar shaft taper. I think his level of consistency is second to none and thats the reason his cues command the prices they do. If i buy another i doubt i'm going to be surprised by the way it plays. If you change the tips or taper when you get it of course it will change the hit but i bet coming straight from Earnie it hits like a Gina:thumbup: Ps i have a 59" 12a with an ivory joint in great shape except small chip in the butt over the veneers about the size of a b.b. If interested pm me.Thanks Nate
