Louie Roberts Award and J. Lee

[JB Cases]

Anyone who watched the stream for any length of time would see the brutal moves she pulled on several diffrent situations...No way she should even be considered

Oh quit already with the hating. Every pool player does things that others see as "moves". Give it a rest already, Jeanette was in action as much or more than any other player there.

As Fred said she qualified on ALL points for consideration and I hope she wins it.

Here is a story of a brutal move for you.

The great Louie Roberts had hocked his stick that he was using to two different people so he could stay in action. As he lost the last game and saw them both coming to get the cue he smashed it on the table in "anger" at losing.

How do you like THAT move!

 

[ribdoner]

i'm all in w/regards to JL getting the "LR ACTION AWARD". The only closely contested race is between COOTER, TEDDOR and BIRD for the coveted biggest loser award and i'll opine that BIRD is the odds on fav.

 

[markpatrick]

The word I got

agree 100% Chris

Glad I got to meet you in person, would've said something sooner, but I had to watch Jesse and Shannon throw down in 1P....

JL did not want any of her matches in which she was gambling to be streamed due to the possible impact on her endorsement deals.?????

I noted how one post sighted her right to REFUSE the award.

What is the back up plan?

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

I doubt Jeanette Lee would want the kind of publicity that the Louie Roberts Award would bring, but she should be considered for it. She played for more money than anyone there and was in action every day/night/morning. As far as woofing and barking goes, I always thought it childish. Most are just playing to the crowd to say, "Hey look at me, I gamble when I have the nuts". I say, state your game, the other guy either takes that game or makes a counter offer. If you don't like the game then just move on to the next guy you want to gamble with. I would hope in this day and age people won't consider her because she's a woman. Johnnyt

As I recall JL quite after loosing the first two games on Friday night playing Richie Rich and didn't forfiet the bet. Bad action PERIOD. Louie Roberts would never do that from what I have been told.

 

[MikeM]

See Post #26 in this thread

JL did not want any of her matches in which she was gambling to be streamed due to the possible impact on her endorsement deals.?????

I noted how one post sighted her right to REFUSE the award.

What is the back up plan?

See Post #26 in this thread

 

[JB Cases]

As I recall JL quite after loosing the first two games on Friday night playing Richie Rich and didn't forfiet the bet. Bad action PERIOD. Louie Roberts would never do that from what I have been told.

Bob they BOTH agreed to postpone the match. When the players decide together to rearrange the game then there is nothing that us fans can do about it.

I am SURE that Louie Roberts had times in his life where he needed to pull up short and reschedule or vice versa with his opponent doing it.

Why do we all make assumptions as if this is the worst thing to ever happen? It's really simple for the twentieth time on here - as reported by John Mars who was holding the stakes - BOTH players agreed to quit and play again later.

I wanna create a cartoon where one player is on the floor dying from a heart attack and the other one is saying "you're forfeiting right? no pro-rate, we agreed to ten hours."

Give her a break for goodness sake. As a pool player she seems to have put in about as much table time as a human could this past week.

 

[sfleinen]

Bob they BOTH agreed to postpone the match. When the players decide together to rearrange the game then there is nothing that us fans can do about it.

I am SURE that Louie Roberts had times in his life where he needed to pull up short and reschedule or vice versa with his opponent doing it.

Why do we all make assumptions as if this is the worst thing to ever happen? It's really simple for the twentieth time on here - as reported by John Mars who was holding the stakes - BOTH players agreed to quit and play again later.

I wanna create a cartoon where one player is on the floor dying from a heart attack and the other one is saying "you're forfeiting right? no pro-rate, we agreed to ten hours."

Give her a break for goodness sake. As a pool player she seems to have put in about as much table time as a human could this past week.

JB:

Exactly right -- and as a fan, there's nothing that SHOULD be done about it, either. Who the hell are we to intervene and tell BOTH players how they should conduct their mutually-agreed-upon action?

With any other player, this wouldn't even be a concern. As another poster mentions, past Louis Roberts' awardees were guilty of some of the trivial "bad action" arguments posted here. I have a feeling there's more going on here than just these pedantic accusations of "bad action." Feh, you know what? I'll stick my neck out, place it on the chopping block, whatever -- for the purposes of calling out the pink elephant in the room. "Could it be (gasp!) that it would be the first time in DCC history that a woman -- A WOMAN(!!) -- has a chance to be awarded the coveted Louis Roberts action and entertainment award?!? Oh gosh no -- what's this world coming to?!?"

-Sean

 

[Johnnyt]

JB:

Exactly right -- and as a fan, there's nothing that SHOULD be done about it, either. Who the hell are we to intervene and tell BOTH players how they should conduct their mutually-agreed-upon action?

With any other player, this wouldn't even be a concern. As another poster mentions, past Louis Roberts' awardees were guilty of some of the trivial "bad action" arguments posted here. I have a feeling there's more going on here than just these pedantic accusations of "bad action." Feh, you know what? I'll stick my neck out, place it on the chopping block, whatever -- for the purposes of calling out the pink elephant in the room. "Could it be (gasp!) that it would be the first time in DCC history that a woman -- A WOMAN(!!) -- has a chance to be awarded the coveted Louis Roberts action and entertainment award?!? Oh gosh no -- what's this world coming to?!?"

-Sean

BINGO. Pool is stuck in the 1950's. Johnnyt

 

[Cornerman]

JL did not want any of her matches in which she was gambling to be streamed due to the possible impact on her endorsement deals.?????

I noted how one post sighted her right to REFUSE the award.

What is the back up plan?

No need to push this further. As the head of the committee, it's my job to make sure that this isnt an issue. I already talked to Jeanette to make sure she wanted to be eligible for the award.

Fred

 

[Cornerman]

Fred, what's the award officially for? (Sorry if I missed it in another thread...)

pj
chgo

Good question Pat. I think a lot of people have no idea of the significance of this award. Greg Sullivan started this award because he wanted to celebrate pool's action history and the entertainment valule it holds. He cited the great Louie Roberts, one of pool's greatest entertaining players and action monsters.

The award is the only award given that has no tournament association at the DCC. The winner gets his/her face permanently placed on a the champions banners in the tournament hall. For those who haven't gone to the DCC, you can't understand how big a deal. Likewise, the the winner gets free tourney entry and hotel room for the life of the DCC.

The award is voted on currently (and honestly, I might have to change it back to the old underground way) by the internet public that actually attend the DCC. Voters should be voting on the person who most exemplifies action AND entertainment. High dollar sets mean nothing without anyone watching. Flipping pennies but gathering a thousand people to watch means a lot. But, everyone has their own idea of what entertains.

Here are a couple of sites that should add to the apparent confusion.

Champions List


2008 Champoin with Info

2010 Louie Roberts Action & Entertainment Info


Fred

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Good question Pat. I think a lot of people have no idea of the significance of this award. Greg Sullivan started this award because he wanted to celebrate pool's action history and the entertainment valule it holds. He cited the great Louie Roberts, one of pool's greatest entertaining players and action monsters.

The award is the only award given that has no tournament association at the DCC. The winner gets his/her face permanently placed on a the champions banners in the tournament hall. For those who haven't gone to the DCC, you can't understand how big a deal. Likewise, the the winner gets free tourney entry and hotel room for the life of the DCC.

The award is voted on currently (and honestly, I might have to change it back to the old underground way) by the internet public that actually attend the DCC. Voters should be voting on the person who most exemplifies action AND entertainment. High dollar sets mean nothing without anyone watching. Flipping pennies but gathering a thousand people to watch means a lot. But, everyone has there own idea of what entertains.

Here are a couple of sites that should add to the apparent confusion.

Champions List


2008 Champoin with Info

2010 Louie Roberts Action & Entertainment Info


Fred

Thanks, Fred. The links helped - here's what I wanted to know:

Description

"The award is given to the person that exemplifies the terms "Action and Entertainment".

The candidate can be a player, backer, woofer, railbird, or all of the above!"

Seems to me if it can be awarded to players, backers, woofers or railbirds, then there are no fixed standards like "must bet your own money" or "must make your own games". The only requirement is that you stimulate action and/or the entertainment to be had from it.

pj
chgo

 

[uwate]

The one thing about the Louie Roberts award is that for those of us who were not there and can only gauge based upon what we have seen on the TAR feed...well if all you saw was JL in action...then what else do you have to go on? Maybe we can start a list of all the games that went down and then it would be a more accurate gauge of whether she was in fact the main action this year, or was it just that she was the most streamed player this year.

 

[Richardson]

I heard Jesse Bowman was in action all the time too. But he didnt play in the action room so noone talking about that.

PS: I think JL deserves this as much as anyone else, she played some nice big sets.

 

[uwate]

Hey Fred I see that the Louie roberts award voting is open to the "CC Board". Whose that?

 

[mikeyfrost]

I keep thinking about the Louie and I can't think of enough reasons not to vote for Jeanette Lee. From a viewing perspective the major candidates are Carl Bailey, Chris Gentile, Jeantte Lee, Tedder, Henny, Lutman, Cone, and Ricy Byrd.

Carl Bailey, hell of a shooter in traction and plays the game great. Would definitely be a worthy pick, I liked how he got animated every now and then.

Chris Gentile, super poker player, awesome one hole player especially for an amateur. Definitely had a lot of gamble and matched up real good for the dough. Was not his first rodeo for sure.

Ricky Byrd, god bless him, reminded me of myself minus a full Zero on the end of the bets haha. He went off for $30k in a spot where I would go off for $3k. However I can't vote for him just because he went off, I think you should have to take off some big scores to win it too.

Henny, up and down week for him. He lost about as much as he won, stone cold gambler though. Takes a lot of breaks and knows how to win. He also shot some of the best Bar Table 10-Ball I've ever seen in my life on Morra. I woke up early that morning to sweat it before work and my god he was on fire enough I went back to bed knowing I was getting paid off of it. Good choice for the award also.

Jeanette Lee, played in spots where the bet was sky high and took down the money. She faded a hell of a comeback by Tedder. Won on the big tables and bar tables. Gladly took more weight than she needed and knew not to give up enough for others to win easily. I think she did a great job and I liked how she argued questionable calls, getting right in the face of the boys and not being timid and intimidated. She did pull up on RR but they played a couple more times so its all good. I really like her for the award.

 

[Cornerman]

Hey Fred I see that the Louie roberts award voting is open to the "CC Board". Whose that?

The CCBoard http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ was the first big web-based pool forum (along with the now defunct Playpool.com forum) . It's the Billiards Digest forum originally called Cue Chalk Board. Dr. Dave up until very recently normally visits the CCBoard as his main forum. Bob Jewett, George Fels and Fran Crimi were the "celebs" that really brought attention to that board years ago. If they had a CCB Hall of Fame, Chris "Cass" Iardo Jr. would be on it.

Many of the CCBers migrated to AZB long ago. One of the first web-based forum get together was the CCB Dinner at the US Open. Barry Behrman acknowledges that group prior to the finals to the audience just about every year as they are big supporters of his tournament going on 10 years.

For the AE voting, there really isn't a CCB member that isn't a member here and/or OnePocket.org. In fact, I didn't even put a link this year at the CCB site because I really haven't got the feedback over there.

I know, more information than you ever needed to know.

Fred

 

[Cornerman]

The one thing about the Louie Roberts award is that for those of us who were not there and can only gauge based upon what we have seen on the TAR feed...well if all you saw was JL in action...then what else do you have to go on? Maybe we can start a list of all the games that went down and then it would be a more accurate gauge of whether she was in fact the main action this year, or was it just that she was the most streamed player this year.

This is why the vote for the Louie Roberts Award is done by internet forum members who attended the Derby City Classic. The vote has been that way since I've headed the committee, which was three years before TAR started streaming. Believe me when I say that even though I'm heard on TAR for dozens of hours, I'm walking all of the action room to see what's up.

I've given the chat members an email to send me their vote so their voice is heard, sort of like proxy voting I guess. I think that's fair, but the primary votes in my voting spreadsheet are from the attendees. If the vote is really close, then the chat member votes may sway the results. I think however, what people view as entertaining at the DCC seem to go hand-in-hand of what people will want to be streamed on TAR. Not always, but they seem to go together.

All of this negative discussion on the forums and who got the award was supposed to be curbed by giving the forum members the vote. It has helped in that there are forum members that were there that can set things straight if incorrect info is passed on and posted as truth. The negative discussions however keep going.

Fred

 

[beakflowers1]

black widow

J.Lee goes hard for the money!!!!

 

[grindz]

Fred,

Is ANY consideration given to choices that actually played in the entire tournament as well as having action? It sure seems that the spirit of the award would skew toward not penalizing someone because they were also playing in some or all of the events as well.

To play in the tournies, and be in action at other times should be weighted in some form IMO....

Just a thought. $.01


td

 

[Cornerman]

Is ANY consideration given to choices that actually played in the entire tournament as well as having action?
td

No consideration whatsoever. The award is completely separate from the tournaments. In years past, I believe that Scooter Goodman is the only winner of the Action Award that didn't play the tournaments. And, honestly I have no idea if Scooter played any of the tournament at all.

In case anyone was wondering, Jeanette played in the tournaments.

Fred