Thanks, just trying to flush out the truth. joey explicitly told MWebb:
"Not Ensinger.
I got some white kind from another maker."
Low deflection ferrule material for Carbon shafts.
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"Not Ensinger.
I got some white kind from another maker."
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Got Hydex 202 on 5 shafts.
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Very very easy actually. Under the testingconditions all variables are a like.The weight of the ferrule isn't the only factor in determining shaft/cue ball deflection. You would likely also need to account for shaft taper, cue ball type, weight, and likely another several factors after that.
Good luck.
Same shaft and butt, same balls and cloth etc etc.
Only adding small weights on different places on the shaft.
You would be shocked how much the deflection raises over 75 inches on example an standard 13mm solid Maple Viking V-Pro shaft (aprox 3,2g/1's inch originaly) and with Tiger Sniper nickel shaped tip when added 0,5g attached just on the ferrule alone.
What? No answer again, joey?
Good post. Doing research like you've described requires a quality, consistent stroke. I imagine you're a pretty strong shooter. Thank you for pointing me to the Predator research. I expect it's going to produce some interesting findings.
Obviously, you're not a cue maker..
We have to deal with the real world.
We can reduce end mass EASILY.
I have a .285 drill that can drill 5 inches easily.
I can use 1mm thick ferrule on drilled end with a 3/8 tenon.
You Will then have roughly 1mm thick tenon and ferrule.
But, how long will that last?
How will that shaft feel?
I choose to do a.compromise.
Gone are the capped 1 inch ferrules with 5/16 18 tenon.
I make them.shorter with a bigger tenon and no cap. And have not had any issues with it.
No squirt police has arrested me yet.
And i can't make enough kielwood shafts to satisfy all requests now.
Have you tried experimenting yourself instead of asking a gazillion questions?
Has anyone paid a dollar for your shafts or cues?
Dude, go make chips.
Being a squirt police ain't taking you anywhere.
My money says , 10 years from now, you will still not be a recognized cue maker .
There have a ton of info nerds here who never got past.that and have disappeared the last 20 years I've been here.
A ton of real makers who have quit posting here because of confrontation from people who haven't even shown work.
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Good Lord! I just discovered you got five likes for this post - a post I dismissed as pure ignorance. Apparently you and your likers understand something I don't. At first I thought you were biased, against what turned out to be Predator research, because it could quantitatively assess your high deflection ferrules. But now that five likers are praising you, I'm thinking I'm missing something. Hopefully one of you can share some wisdom with me. Good Lord!
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Go make chips Henry.
Go buy a lathe.
I'd hate to see all that awesome knowledge wasted.
5 people, at least,.got tired of your babble.
I've known about the Jacksonville experiment eons ago.
Go make chips Henry.
Go buy a lathe.
I'd hate to see all that awesome knowledge wasted.
5 people, at least,.got tired of your babble.
Technically it was only 4 likes...and a laugh.
Cool, j2pac, you don't miss a beat. thumbs up to the laugh. can MWebb retract his like if joey bs'd him about white hydex?Technically it was only 4 likes...and a laugh.
Nah, he already laughed.
He can message me if he wants a sample.
Not all factories make rigid polyurethane the same way.
That's why I said the Ensinger version is better.
Funny enough, almost everyone now prefer yellowish ferrule.
Even the much heavier Juma.
Juma, afaik, is the most commonly used ferrule materials by cue makers now.
I don't have Atlas sales sheet so I could be wrong.
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The OP already got his answer afaik.Technically it was only 4 likes...and a laugh.
This thread needs to get nuked or closed imo.
I almost regret mentioning Hydex.
You already know the history of isoplast with Pred and how their qc went down after they went with another material.
Welcome to AZ.
Just that simple!
All good. Either way I'll try it. I don't care about the charts, i care how it plays!
Joey, we can't nuke this thread yet. You just clobbered me. Don't I get a chance to hit back? Here goes:
joey your ferrules speak more loudly than your bs words Didn't you recently post something like "made a few" showing more high deflection ferrules? And earlier in this thread you showed a handfull of high deflection ferrules.(that most good shooters would never consider using, IMO)
"Obviously, you're not a cue maker". It would have been wiser for you to have reserved that evaluation untill after I share some of my work in response to similar criticism from your clinger dave. It's interesting that, for years, I watched people calling you out, questioning your cue making ability because they couldn't find any of your work. Your reply: crickets, crickets, crickets. Recently, however, I saw you post something like "latest batch", which showed two cues. The implication was that there were other batches, but I've not seen any.
"I have a .285 drill that can drill 5 inches easily." You're the one who always questions the concentricity of drilled holes, so this is just more bs. Advice: bore a start and finish with a gundrill, especially important when hollowing out a thin shaft like a Z2.
"I can use 1mm thick ferrule on drilled end with a 3/8 tenon. You Will then have roughly 1mm thick tenon and ferrule. But, how long will that last?" More bs. Let me give you some more advice. I shot with a Predator Z2 for years, I shot practically every night and practiced practically every day. Never lost a Predator ferrule. And during some of that episode I was experimenting with tips less than 1/16 thickness at the edge. I've watched you sell blimp-like ferrules for years. Maybe you're finally waking up. The good advice I promised: copy Predator's ferrule, you've shown you don't have a clue. Actually it sounds like you are doing that now, but you're too proud to say so. And it sounds like you're finally copying Predator's hollow shaft design. It's about time joey (ten years late?).
"And i can't make enough kielwood shafts to satisfy all requests now." that's great joey, but that might just be evidence there's a fool born every day, like those who purchase your high deflection ferrules. Are your shafts tapered similar to Predator's, to optimise low deflection? Probably not, since you're just waking up to low deflection.
"Have you tried experimenting yourself instead of asking a gazillion questions?" I'm asking you questions to expose your non-answers You've assisted that effort beautifully in this thread.
For years I've watched you and your clingers viciously attack some forum members. At one point it bothered me so much I PM'd you and asked you to please quit attacking a certain member. I felt he didn't deserve it. Remember that joey? I've been around the forum for years, like you, and I've learned how you and your clingers play the game. So, in this thread, when clinger dave attacked me alleging I'd maligned j2pac, my antennas when up. And when you asked "How about machinability? Scratch resistance? Finish adhesion? after I'd stated I was making no evaluation of such matters, I knew you were trolling me - hoping for a response that would allow you and your clingers to start nit picking me. So I turned things around and asked you the same question, adding "What? No answer?" But you did answer "I don't like them." which made no sense to me. And you've given nonanswer, after nonanswer after nonanswer, since. You exposed yourself.
I'll calm down after this, but I've always been one to meet fire with fire. (things are warm, MWebb will probably get some chuckles)
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It was my laugh.
Why do you think I come to this place?
There's some FUNNY SHIT here!
Heck,
I'll send some paper phen too that you MIGHT like.
I'll skip the ivor-x rod.
Thanks anyway. I'm all set.Heck,
I'll send some paper phen too that you MIGHT like.
I'll skip the ivor-x rod.
Joey, we can't nuke this thread yet. You just clobbered me. Don't I get a chance to hit back? Here goes:
joey your ferrules speak more loudly than your bs words Didn't you recently post something like "made a few" showing more high deflection ferrules? And earlier in this thread you showed a handfull of high deflection ferrules.(that most good shooters would never consider using, IMO)
Hey Henry, you really have no clue what's going on . The most popular ferrule configuration is 5/16 18 at 1" long and capped . Even at 5/16, and no thread , mine is still lighter . High deflection ferrules ? Good Lord . You think making a pressfit thin wall ferrule speaks better for your cue making abilities ???? WTH? Anybody can do that . Go ahead, make yours with thin wall and pressfit them . Let's see how long till you see glue ring at the bottom and that slip-on move .
Predator had a patent on that hole . Some makers did make hollowed and sold shafts even when Pred's patent was still active . Including one maker in your neck of the woods . At least one of them .
I DIDN'T . Not one of my shafts out there has a hollowed end . Hell, if I really want to make it low-end mass, I'd just drill with a 3/8 and have a carbon fiber pad . No ferrule .
You make it sound like deflection IS THE MOST IMPORTANT factor. And the only consideration ? Good thing SW didn't consult with you.
The heck, you giving advice for drilling a hole . I can live bore 2 inches deep with a Makita router and end mill and follow with a drill . That's what I did to my experiment .
Dude, go make your own low deflection shaft and sell them. Pred's patent is no longer enforced . Go ahead . See how many you can sell.
See how many survive . I don't care what your experience with the Z was. MAKE YOUR OWN and find out .
" And when you asked "How about machinability? Scratch resistance? Finish adhesion? "
YOU WERE ASKED WITHOUT MALICE. Problem is you're an insecure dude who needs to make a lot more chips .
And answered with the same questions instead of answering I don't know.
" Recently, however, I saw you post something like "latest batch", which showed two cues. The implication was that there were other batches, but I've not seen any."
That's not my problem . Should I post all my cues here ? They're posted at FB where I have 1,200 followers I have a two foreign dealers . AZB is no longer a hot bed for cue makers . For that matter, the domestic market pales in comparison to Taiwan. China and Europe . In fact, I've been turning down domestic orders/requests. There's plenty of cue orders from overseas already.
Are your shafts tapered similar to Predator's, to optimise low deflection? Probably not, since you're just waking up to low deflection.
No, they're not . Jeesh. This is another can of worms in the cue ball squirt discussion. It's been argued the end-mass is all that matters .
Pred has conical taper and has "pro-taper". Good Lord. Another can of worms .
Go make chips Henry . Go make your ultra-low deflection shafts.
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Sorry, little late to respond....had reconstructive thumb surgery and was unable to respond to the Dumbazz attacks from the Shankster
So IMHO, Shankster8 is simply Ricky retardo 2.0 Never built a cue but has a lot of BS to sling while acting as an expert. Hey Shankster GangZter....WHERE IS ANY PROOF OF YOU BUILDING ANYTHING CUE RELATED? You spout off a lot but overall you have contributed ZERO to the forum....remember, it's 'Ask the cuemaker" section....not "ask the I want to be included " section. You have called me a bigmouth and some other names and have tried to belittle me, but guess what....we have seen your type here Many times and people like you end up gone by the wayside once others know you are a poser and have no real info to contribute. We are still here as we are the real deal, as imperfect as we are, but still here as we actually build and repair cues.
BTW, you have mentioned that I have all kinds of money to buy expensive machines and blah blah.....you have NO IDEA how I have gotten to where I am. 30 + yrs of putting extra money aside, the mistakes caused by people that gave bad advise simply because they could(not actual cuemakers)...costing $$$, and hand building things as I didn't have the actual money to buy premade stuff. I have worked My Ass off to be where I am while working a fulltime job, plus side jobs of recovering tables and raising 4 children, and guess what....? I don't make a Fkn dime back on my investment of time, money and ....money and time and I don't care, I have always done it as a Passion. I have had the Awesome privilege to have had some of the great guys in this profession/forum help me along the way, and will always be in their debt, and will always repay it the same way they gave it to me.....the person needs to be willing to try first before getting the answer, You sir will not be on the list to help! For some dumbass blowhard such as yourself to barge in this section and be the dick you have been boils my blood! You don't deserve to be here IMHO, You even went as far as to pull the Senior card in one of the responses to my post, like that gives you clout??....I am probably older than you...YOU DON"T EVEN POST YOUR REAL NAME but you call out Joey, Myself, and others.......you sir ......Should be ashamed.
It's people like you that stop people like me and a lot of others from even trying to help beginners anymore.
I am done for now....but I advise, If your gonna be a d#@k....better back it up with your Actual accomplishments in the field of Cuemaking, not what you plan to do.
P.S. will say not bad for typing one handed....
So IMHO, Shankster8 is simply Ricky retardo 2.0 Never built a cue but has a lot of BS to sling while acting as an expert. Hey Shankster GangZter....WHERE IS ANY PROOF OF YOU BUILDING ANYTHING CUE RELATED? You spout off a lot but overall you have contributed ZERO to the forum....remember, it's 'Ask the cuemaker" section....not "ask the I want to be included " section. You have called me a bigmouth and some other names and have tried to belittle me, but guess what....we have seen your type here Many times and people like you end up gone by the wayside once others know you are a poser and have no real info to contribute. We are still here as we are the real deal, as imperfect as we are, but still here as we actually build and repair cues.
BTW, you have mentioned that I have all kinds of money to buy expensive machines and blah blah.....you have NO IDEA how I have gotten to where I am. 30 + yrs of putting extra money aside, the mistakes caused by people that gave bad advise simply because they could(not actual cuemakers)...costing $$$, and hand building things as I didn't have the actual money to buy premade stuff. I have worked My Ass off to be where I am while working a fulltime job, plus side jobs of recovering tables and raising 4 children, and guess what....? I don't make a Fkn dime back on my investment of time, money and ....money and time and I don't care, I have always done it as a Passion. I have had the Awesome privilege to have had some of the great guys in this profession/forum help me along the way, and will always be in their debt, and will always repay it the same way they gave it to me.....the person needs to be willing to try first before getting the answer, You sir will not be on the list to help! For some dumbass blowhard such as yourself to barge in this section and be the dick you have been boils my blood! You don't deserve to be here IMHO, You even went as far as to pull the Senior card in one of the responses to my post, like that gives you clout??....I am probably older than you...YOU DON"T EVEN POST YOUR REAL NAME but you call out Joey, Myself, and others.......you sir ......Should be ashamed.
It's people like you that stop people like me and a lot of others from even trying to help beginners anymore.
I am done for now....but I advise, If your gonna be a d#@k....better back it up with your Actual accomplishments in the field of Cuemaking, not what you plan to do.
P.S. will say not bad for typing one handed....
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