Low Deflection shafts, Are they worth it?

I agree with your comparison with shooting thin shots with inside rather than outside. If I need to cut a ball paper thin I use plain ball or inside. Its much easier for the brain to interpret deflection going away from the object ball rather than toward it because you always have the object ball to measure with.

Mind you if I'm playing one pocket I'll use plain ball or outside so I make sure cue ball comes back up table.

Yes, I've started playing one pocket the last few months & have gotten away from TOI except for a few certain types of shots, but not really any of length as the firm hit is usually not conducive to the situation.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick
 
We all know full well that long shots with inside are very difficult and the only person who can shoot them with ease with a regular shaft is Efren. A lot of long shots are difficult to make with a lot of spin with a regular shaft because of the compensation.

For arguments sake, lets imagine pool is a mental game lol. I'd want to use as little mental effort as possible when shooting shots. Its for this reason that there are plenty of pros who use LD shafts. This combined with the benefits during a mishit situation make LD shafts worth it IMO. If you are a pro and your livelihood depends on making balls in the off chance you mishit a shot because you stroke is weak or whatever the situation may be, would you want that to be there to save you?

Personally I think laminated LD shafts are all well and fine but a solid LD shaft is the best of both worlds.

As I said before. Mezz and Samsara have both done exceptional jobs at producing these types of shafts. Chris Dinniger of CDX has as well.

If I post a video making long shots with inside english at any angle 85% and more, what will you say ? That I am Efren Reyes ? I can do the same thing with any straight shaft. LD or not.

The problem is that most players don't understand how the shots change every 2 diamonds. They don't know the exact visual alignments - Footwork - Initial cue tip placement for different speeds - Wrist movement for left or right cuts. It's really tough to learn these things.

Most players try to feel the sidespin shot. That's not the way to do it. And no shaft will give them good results. They just throw their money buying useless garbage thinking they will become better players.

I have worked on sidespin for years with a regular shaft. When I started having very good results with the regular shaft, I tried LD. And there was no difference at all. The only difference is that LD feels like s.....it. If you use the proper type of stroke, LD doesn't work as advertised. That's why LD is pure snake oil. Because it is used by players who shoot straight when the apply sidespin.

P.S. Trying to learn sidespin with a STRAIGHT STROKE is the PROBLEM. And nothing can fix that. And as long as people think like that, there is no hope.
 
If I post a video making long shots with inside english at any angle 85% and more, what will you say ? That I am Efren Reyes ? I can do the same thing with any straight shaft. LD or not.

The problem is that most players don't understand how the shots change every 2 diamonds. They don't know the exact visual alignments - Footwork - Initial cue tip placement for different speeds - Wrist movement for left or right cuts. It's really tough to learn these things.

Most players try to feel the sidespin shot. That's not the way to do it. And no shaft will give them good results. They just throw their money buying useless garbage thinking they will become better players.

I have worked on sidespin for years with a regular shaft. When I started having very good results with the regular shaft, I tried LD. And there was no difference at all. The only difference is that LD feels like s.....it. If you use the proper type of stroke, LD doesn't work as advertised. That's why LD is pure snake oil. Because it is used by players who shoot straight when the apply sidespin.

P.S. Trying to learn sidespin with a STRAIGHT STROKE is the PROBLEM. And nothing can fix that. And as long as people think like that, there is no hope.

So, safe to say you shoot with a house cue, right ?
 
Yes, I've started playing one pocket the last few months & have gotten away from TOI except for a few certain types of shots, but not really any of length as the firm hit is usually not conducive to the situation.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

Yep. One pocket is not a punch the ball type of game. Outside is really important for patterns and so is spin in general.

You can make a ball in your pocket with 3 different banks and varying speeds and english, which is the fun part.
 
If I post a video making long shots with inside english at any angle 85% and more, what will you say ? That I am Efren Reyes ? I can do the same thing with any straight shaft. LD or not.

The problem is that most players don't understand how the shots change every 2 diamonds. They don't know the exact visual alignments - Footwork - Initial cue tip placement for different speeds - Wrist movement for left or right cuts. It's really tough to learn these things.

Most players try to feel the sidespin shot. That's not the way to do it. And no shaft will give them good results. They just throw their money buying useless garbage thinking they will become better players.

I have worked on sidespin for years with a regular shaft. When I started having very good results with the regular shaft, I tried LD. And there was no difference at all. The only difference is that LD feels like s.....it. If you use the proper type of stroke, LD doesn't work as advertised. That's why LD is pure snake oil. Because it is used by players who shoot straight when the apply sidespin.

P.S. Trying to learn sidespin with a STRAIGHT STROKE is the PROBLEM. And nothing can fix that. And as long as people think like that, there is no hope.

I'm gonna refer you to my post after the one you quoted.

I'm also gonna go ahead and say you are probably the exception to the norm. Don't get my wrong I'm playing with a standard shaft right now and can shoot with either or, but I completely disagree that it is pure snake oil. I can name a handful of pros who I have talked to who would say the same thing.

However your opinion is your own to stand by, Efren!
 
I'm gonna refer you to my post after the one you quoted.

I'm also gonna go ahead and say you are probably the exception to the norm. Don't get my wrong I'm playing with a standard shaft right now and can shoot with either or, but I completely disagree that it is pure snake oil. I can name a handful of pros who I have talked to who would say the same thing.

However your opinion is your own to stand by, Efren!

Did they tell you that shots change every 2 diamonds, and you should learn how to play "0-2" - "2-4" - "4-6" - "6-8" ???????

I guess not........
 
Any straight cue. Your stroking arm (elbow - wrist) is what you call LD. Not the cue or the shaft.

So, I will take that as a no. You keep twisting your wrist when shooting cut shots, I'll stay with my LD shaft. Of course, there are not any shots you can make that my cue cannot make. Yet, you paid the same price for your shaft as I paid for mine. Weird, huh ?
 
Did they tell you that shots change every 2 diamonds, and you should learn how to play "0-2" - "2-4" - "4-6" - "6-8" ???????

I guess not........

Hi Panos,

I'm 62 & have been playing with english since I was 13.

I think I know what you mean about the difference in playing english with a straight stroke & your or my way.

That said, I switched to LD about 4 years ago.

I can shoot with english either way & they are different.

With all due respect, the LD shafts are not "snake oil" in the normal English sense use of the phrase. They do do what they claim to do which is reduce CB squirt for the same off center hit on the ball.

Yes, you or I can hit the CB in that same spot with a reg. shaft & get the same amount of squirt... or rather have the CB follow that same line

But...

as you say we are not doing it with the same "straight stroke".

I have your PM stored but have not had time with the Grandchildren, etc, to get into it...

but I would love to learn more about the 0-2, 2-4 material as I am one of the ones that feel it & at 62 I'm not always feeling it as good as I once was, I mean did.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick
 
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So, I will take that as a no. You keep twisting your wrist when shooting cut shots, I'll stay with my LD shaft. Of course, there are not any shots you can make that my cue cannot make. Yet, you paid the same price for your shaft as I paid for mine. Weird, huh ?

How much would you bet, I can make spin shots that your cue can't make ?
 
Okay buddy whatever you say lol

I am fairly sure that I know what he is talking about.

He has developed a method that replaces the Feel that I have been using for nearly 50 years.

I've never been a mechanical method type player. I would rather trust my subconscious mind & use 'parallel' english than the BHE method.

We should not dismiss what we do not know about or understand.

It may not be for us, but I am rather sure that it is for him.

Best 2 Ya,
 
I am fairly sure that I know what he is talking about.

He has developed a method that replaces the Feel that I have been using for nearly 50 years.

I've never been a mechanical method type player. I would rather trust my subconscious mind & use 'parallel' english than the BHE method.

We should not dismiss what we do not know about or understand.

It may not be for us, but I am rather sure that it is for him.

Best 2 Ya,

I said that because Manny is one of my closest friends and isn't going to keep any secrets of the game from me lol.

I have a method with LD shafts that involves the ferrule or I just get down and shoot with a regular shaft. I'm not saying such systems don't exist or that LD shafts are a magical cure. But they aren't snake oil either.
 
I am fairly sure that I know what he is talking about.

He has developed a method that replaces the Feel that I have been using for nearly 50 years.

I've never been a mechanical method type player. I would rather trust my subconscious mind & use 'parallel' english than the BHE method.

We should not dismiss what we do not know about or understand.

It may not be for us, but I am rather sure that it is for him.

Best 2 Ya,

Thank you Rick.

Yes, it is a method. And it works 100%.
There's another guy in this forum who knows what I am talking about. You also know him.
 
I said that because Manny is one of my closest friends and isn't going to keep any secrets of the game from me lol.

I have a method with LD shafts that involves the ferrule or I just get down and shoot with a regular shaft. I'm not saying such systems don't exist or that LD shafts are a magical cure. But they aren't snake oil either.

Can you tell me if your method has a solution for different speeds (rotational speed) and cb-ob distance ?
Are you aware of these facts and know exactly what to do ?
Are you aware of feet placement ?
Do you know if you are adjusting - shifting - moving your head (eyes) - steering ?
 
I said that because Manny is one of my closest friends and isn't going to keep any secrets of the game from me lol.

I have a method with LD shafts that involves the ferrule or I just get down and shoot with a regular shaft. I'm not saying such systems don't exist or that LD shafts are a magical cure. But they aren't snake oil either.

Yeah,

I explained that, as he in over in Greece & may not exactly understand the "snake oil" connotation to the fullest.

I do not think he was suggesting that anyone was holding anything back & not telling you but that they don't know that of which he is talking about & could NOT tell you if they wanted to do so.

True Communication in text only is not easy.

Best 2 Ya,
 
How much would you bet, I can make spin shots that your cue can't make ?

yeah, Of course, I'm bringing my player of choice to shoot the shots with my cue, because after all, this is a completion of the cue, not the player.

No masse or jump shots, cause there are specialty cues to handle that. We can start at $1K and go from there.

Oh, wait, did you not admit in a prior post that you can make those spin shots with any cue, including LD. So, just paypal me the money, and we'll call it even. lol
 
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