Lucasi authenticity

Crispy Fish said:
When you look at a cue, how can you tell if the inlays are real?
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That is probably a question best asked of the cuemakers and the collectors.
I'd say - 1) touch ... does it feel like a decal OVER the finish
2) visual.... looking through the finish does it have a visual raised edge (not inlaid).
3) visual.... does it appear too uniform in pattern (machine made).
4) visual.... if there is a border does the inside edge of the border have any sign of a crack or seam with depth (REAL inlay) or does it seem like a printed line (fake).

As some have said if you REALLY like a cue and are willing to pay the cost go for it. I just don't like dealers or distributors who aren't up front with the buyer. There are similar made cues that are less expensive and better cues for around the same price. Some say Lucasis hit a ton,others say they aren't as good as they were a while back.

Terry
 
LWW said:
When you live in company barracks and receive your information from the company and the company decides when you can come and go and marry and breed then you aren't free either.

LWW
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No Offense,
but honestly, you should really just keep quiet.

Your posts show you obviously know nothing about China. Really. I live in Hong Kong, I go to China at times. I know people who own FACTORIES in China, and these factories have apartment buildings next to them that allow these employees to have free housing (these employees are brought in from the villages where they typically CHOOSE to go to the bigger cities for better wages).

Here are a few things you should learn.
- worker migration: many pple in China left the villages to get jobs in the big cities
- cost of living: China's cost of living (with exception to a few cities) is low
- definition of slave


Please don't use the tianemen square incident. Why don't you talk about Germany then? The Berlin wall? Did you read about the 2006 world cup? They are worried many young girls from neighboring countries and rural villages will be tricked into taking nonexistant baby-sitting jobs and the such only to go to Germany and be forced into prositution.


What China has, every other country has. You never heard of sweat-shops? Why don't you talk about the "slave" labor happening in cities that borders mexico?


So let me say again. It would serve you best to talk more about pool, and less about world politics - especially when it comes to China, as its obvious to most people reading your posts that you clearly don't know whats going on.

By the way, be happy that China makes products so cheap. If you don't like the price issue, why don't you buy everything all american. Additionaly, DO NOT buy from walmart. Walmart (An american company) has a mandate that each year their suppliers lowers the process of the products they sell to walmart, which in turn generates the lower prices to you and the bigger profits to walmart. It is because of Walmart's actions that many prime suppliers now manufacture their products in China and other "slave-labor-filled' countries. One last thing, did you know Walmart (the beloved company of the US stock exchanges) is anti-union. They have union buster teams in every region to break down any form of unionization.

So what is that about slave labor again?
 
BTW, i seen a few lucasi cues.they look good, and they play pretty good -especially if you have a predator strapped on. So why not?
 
Snapshot9 said:
...and borrowed a Meucci from my brother, and never gave it back.
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Meucci and Joss are definitely at opposite spectrums of stiffness. That being said, I guess I can describe Meuccis' hit to that of "wet noodles," but I won't.

I will say that in terms of quality control, wood selection, tolerances, etc, JOSS blows Meucci out of the water. You're basically getting the highest quality control possible from a production shop. But if you like a limber shaft, Joss is definitely not for you (although you can always taper a shaft to whatever you're comfortable with).

-Roger
 
No Offense,
but honestly, you should really just keep quiet.

Your posts show you obviously know nothing about China. Really.
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Your post shows that an extra dollar in your pocket is m,ore important than anything else, and dpon't recognize China for what it is because you profit from what it is.
I live in Hong Kong, I go to China at times. I know people who own FACTORIES in China, and these factories have apartment buildings next to them that allow these employees to have free housing (these employees are brought in from the villages where they typically CHOOSE to go to the bigger cities for better wages).
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And you prove me wrong by agreeing with me. Let's see...the party used to decide that you stayed in the rice paddy because that's what they wanted, now they decide you live in factory housing because that's what the party wants...and this is evidence that the people have free will
Please don't use the tianemen square incident.
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If I took your position I wouldn't want that talked about either. And of course that event has NOTHING to do with why people move to where the party wants them to, and besides...it couldn't happen now could it?

OOOPS...it just did! the sooner the Communist Chinese government falls the better off the entire world will be.
China shooting: Commander detained

Sunday, December 11, 2005; Posted: 8:36 a.m. EST (13:36 GMT)

DONGZHOU, China (AP) -- The commander of forces that shot and killed people protesting land seizures in a southern village has been detained, the Chinese government said Sunday, as police in riot gear patrolled the community and appealed for order.

The government said three people died in Tuesday's violence in this coastal village northeast of Hong Kong, but witnesses put the death toll as high as 20.

The commander's "wrong actions" were to blame for the deaths, said a statement issued by the government of Guangdong province, where Dongzhou is located. It did not identify the commander or say what his actions were.

In its first statement on the violence, the government said Saturday that hundreds of people attacked a wind power plant in Dongzhou and assaulted police.

On Sunday, the village was under heavy guard by at least 100 riot police, some with shields and helmets. No weapons were visible. There was no violence, but villagers could be seen arguing angrily with police.

Residents said earlier that families were pleading with police to return the bodies of slain loved ones.

Government banners hung at the village entrance said, "Following the law is the responsibility and obligation of the people" and "Don't listen to rumors, don't let yourself be used." Another tried to placate local anger, promising, "The people's government will always support the people of Dongzhou."

The police shootings Tuesday were the deadliest known clash yet amid growing anger in areas throughout China over government land seizures for construction of power plants, shopping malls and other projects.

Farmers often complain they are paid too little. Some accuse local authorities of stealing compensation money.

Such incidents have alarmed communist leaders, who are promising to spend more to raise living standards in the poor countryside, home to about 800 million people.

By the government's count, China had more than 70,000 cases of rural unrest last year. Protests are growing more violent, with injuries on both sides.

President Hu Jintao's government has made a priority of spreading prosperity to areas left behind by China's 25-year economic boom. But in many areas, families still live on the equivalent of a few hundred dollars a year.

Outside Dongzhou, police on Sunday were stopping vehicles at roadblocks, checking for local men.

Hong Kong's South China Morning Post newspaper said villagers wounded in the shooting were "under police control" in hospitals. It quoted one villager as saying relatives were detained after they went to visit an uncle, who was recovering from a gunshot wound to the chest.

The Post quoted some residents as saying officials were trying to hide the death toll, offering families money to give up bodies.

The official Xinhua News Agency said villagers in Dongzhou were unhappy over land requisition and were demanding more compensation. It said the province has formed a group to investigate.

The villagers attacked the plant using knives, steel spears, sticks, dynamite, gasoline bombs and explosives used in fishing, Xinhua said. It said police dispersed the crowd with tear gas and arrested two people accused of inciting the violence.

However, the attackers regrouped, and after dark began throwing explosives at police, it said.

"Police were forced to open fire in alarm. In the chaos, three villagers died," Xinhua said.

A village woman told The Associated Press by telephone on Saturday that police were holding some bodies, refusing relatives' pleas to return them. The woman, who refused to give her name for fear of retribution, said 10 to 20 people were killed in Tuesday's violence.

A village man, who gave only his surname, Chong, put the number at 15 to 20. He said many families had gone to a local police station seeking compensation, but officers had turned them back.

Chong said dozens of people were missing, but didn't elaborate.

Telephone calls to the local police station went unanswered.
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You probably don't want me to use that example either?
Why don't you talk about Germany then? The Berlin wall?
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The Berlin Wall was an example of Soviet aggression and I did protest against it's existence and it fell, as far as Germany they have worker protection laws, environmental protection laws, free elections, rights to organize, all things China deprives it's people of...at bayonet point.
Why don't you talk about the "slave" labor happening in cities that borders mexico?
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When a thread about them starts I will, but regardless they are light years more advanced than China in how the government treats it's citizens and it has a freely elected government.
By the way, be happy that China makes products so cheap. If you don't like the price issue, why don't you buy everything all american. Additionaly, DO NOT buy from walmart. Walmart (An american company) has a mandate that each year their suppliers lowers the process of the products they sell to walmart, which in turn generates the lower prices to you and the bigger profits to walmart. It is because of Walmart's actions that many prime suppliers now manufacture their products in China and other "slave-labor-filled' countries. One last thing, did you know Walmart (the beloved company of the US stock exchanges) is anti-union. They have union buster teams in every region to break down any form of unionization.
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Actually I do buy American when I can and when I can't I buy products made in democratic nations. Period. I am no lover of Walmart. Period. Freedom for humanity and human rights is something you believe in or you don't. Period.

LWW
 
china bad/US good thread now at
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=255287#post255287
you can delete all your old china bad/US good post from the lucasi thread.


Few months ago I bought a Lucasi
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3689389500&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:CA:11

"# The cue features nickel-silver rings above and has inlays sharp inlays below the wrap.
# Cue features inlays galore above and below the wrap."

The dealer seems very reputable. I will ask him whether he will guarantee that my inlays are real.
 
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Anyhow....


It is extremely difficult to spot which Lucasi has decal and which has actual inlays. Lucasi decals look just like inlays, atleast my old Lucasi's decal was almost undetectable.
 
Will everyone please step away from the geopolitical discussion and keep to the topic of Lucasi cues?

Dave
 
the link in the first post had tis in the add Ebony Stained Bird's-eye maple butt sleeve and forearm I took this to be a bird's-eye wood with a Dark / Epony stain on it not an Ebony cue. maybe this is how the broken cue was listed before it was sold. just a tought.
 
carlton31698 said:
the link in the first post had tis in the add Ebony Stained Bird's-eye maple butt sleeve and forearm I took this to be a bird's-eye wood with a Dark / Epony stain on it not an Ebony cue. maybe this is how the broken cue was listed before it was sold. just a tought.
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That's quite possible... there's still the question of the "inlays", though...

And look at the LE-63 on this site: http://www.beadsandbilliards.com/lucasicuele63.html. It's listed just as "ebony", not "ebony stained". Makes me wonder about the "bohemian silver" too. Clearly there's some misleading advertising going on with these cues... :rolleyes:
 
JMHO,,,,it's easy to bash a competitor, trying to make your stuff "appear" to be better,,,,unfortunately, most never give the truth about what they're trying to "compare",,,,some wholesalers tend to embellish on items to make them seem "better",,,,, I don't believe much unsubstantiated hype about anybody's cues and make up my own mind,,, jflan
 
It's listed just as "ebony", not "ebony stained". Makes me wonder about the "bohemian silver" too. Clearly there's some misleading advertising going on with these cues...
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From the phoptos it seems to be an obvious counterfeit of what it is purported to be.

LWW
 
LWW said:
A Lucasi may play quite well, I honestly don't know.

I personally however don't like them because they are Chinese made...and especially when one considers that a Viking and McDermott can both be bought for the same money...play extremely well, and are USA made products.

I know everyone won't agree with me, but I have issue with supporting slave labor and my issue is compounded when there isn't even a savings involved.

LWW
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I hate to burst your bubble LWW, but McDermott has quite a cozy relationship with the Chinese. Who do you think made all the economy SledgeHammers?
I know everyone won't agree with me, but I have issue with supporting slave labor and my issue is compounded when there isn't even a savings involved. I am in agreement with you an this one.
Purdman:eek:
 
TheFish said:
BTW, i seen a few lucasi cues.they look good, and they play pretty good -especially if you have a predator strapped on. So why not?
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So why not? Why not just buy a cue from Wal-mart then.Put that predator on a broomstick.I guess you really dont care what the hit is like.It is not only the shaft that determines the feel of the hit but the shaft ,tip ferrule joint and butt.
 
Purdman said:
I hate to burst your bubble LWW, but McDermott has quite a cozy relationship with the Chinese. Who do you think made all the economy SledgeHammers?
I know everyone won't agree with me, but I have issue with supporting slave labor and my issue is compounded when there isn't even a savings involved. I am in agreement with you an this one.
Purdman:eek:
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Dammit Purdman:mad: ,

I own a McD :o ......but not a Sledgehammer;) .
My McD is good hard Canadian maple, beautiful bourdoux red (just like my avatar) German paint made with exotic Italian (I think) pigments, the hardware is American, and the leather wrap came from a dead animal as did the tip. All assembled in the good ole USA! Leave me this vision please!:D

Terry
 
OK you got it!!!

This thread is about Lucasi cues and their authenticity.

Lucasi Cues are authentically made in China. They are sold to the US market for $18 to $20 each. That is their wholesale cost and they are making plenty of money. They play OK but do not compare in any way, shape, or form like a good ol Joss. Even though they cost about the same.
Purdman;)
 
Tbeaux said:
Dammit Purdman:mad: ,

I own a McD :o ......but not a Sledgehammer;) .
My McD is good hard Canadian maple, beautiful bourdoux red (just like my avatar) German paint made with exotic Italian (I think) pigments, the hardware is American, and the leather wrap came from a dead animal as did the tip. All assembled in the good ole USA! Leave me this vision please!:D

Terry
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Well, ya got two things right. The wrap and tip came from a dead animal. Probably imported from China! LOL

I never said they were all made in China. I will throw out this scenerio. If you had a cue manufacturing facility in Wisconsin and were paying several people to make your cues at a cost of $80 each. Lets say you sell one for $350. Now you find out that you could buy the same cue from China for $20 and not pay anyone here anything, what would you do? No brainer huh!
Purdman:eek:
 
Funny Post

I just ran into a "kid" that is hell bent on buying a Lucasi too, he was going to spend 250 on one. He wanted to look good with those fake inlays and wasnt concerned with playability as jhe should be. Its all abou the feel and feedback of the cue. Also, do you want to have same cue as 100,000 other people out there. Luckily we talked him out of it and into a custom sneaky pete instead. You can find a Blud sneaky for around 200 on ebay that hit decent, (better than a Lucasi, for sure)JMO
 
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