I have done biz with Markus, though it was not escrow. He is as stand up
as you will find.
Dale
Made offer - wanted to escrow with FAST_N_LOOSE
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I have done biz with Markus, though it was not escrow. He is as stand up
as you will find.
Dale
I have to agree with you there.
It's just a disagreement resulting in no deal. Period.
I have seen people vilified because they didn't want to send a cue without payment first. Again...senseless to vilify the person.
Even a high iTrader is not a good enough reason to say that somebody should get everything the way they want it.
If the deal can't be agreed upon, then there is no deal. That's all.
How about we wait until there is actually a bad deal done before accusing anybody of anything?
If they are outed as an attempted scammer then OK, but other than that it is just a "no deal" thing. Not wanting to use escrow does not mean it is an attempted scam. It might, but not necessarily.
People holler pretty loudly citing all the "recent" scams around here but have they bothered to follow up and notice how many of them were resolved and would have been anyway? Have people noticed that?
People need to be smart about how they deal but even smarter about how they toss accusations around. Really.
Somebody didn't want to use escrow? OK. No deal. Done.
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cueporn
Banned
Exactly sir.
I have read several of your post and you tend to see things spot on.
When I suggested using Dan Dishaw the OP siad I was scamming. Really Dan isgoing to sell out for a.50 dollar fee? Anyway this guy is starting to annoy me.
I will make it easy for you. You dont deserve a cue like this. No cue for you.Anybody else want to steal this for $2750?One of the best McDaniel cues ever made.
Is this who we are talking about here? Cue Porn.
I've only had one deal with him but I would have zero problem dealing with him without using escrow.
This is based solely on his performance re customer service and satisfaction.
He went out of his way to help me out and make the deal more than 100%.
I've only had one deal with him but I would have zero problem dealing with him without using escrow.
This is based solely on his performance re customer service and satisfaction.
He went out of his way to help me out and make the deal more than 100%.
Suggesting an alternative seems pretty straightforward, especially a name like Dishaw.
If one does not personally know a certain person doing escrow I don't see anything wrong with suggesting an alternative. I mean, we aren't talking about licensed/bonded/insured services here are we? It's just word of mouth.
Sure, a certain name may be well known on AZB, but what is hard to convince some people of is that AZB is not nearly all of the billiards world, not even close actually, and most people in pool do not belong to AZB. Most pros don't post here, and most leading cue makers don't post here either.
There is a sticky here and a well known person providing escrow...well known here....but there are others that can be used...
Dishaw is certainly more widely known than just about anybody wheeling and dealing on AZB forums! LOL! The man is far than just a cue maker too. He makes guitars and road cases! Very well known legitimate business man.
Apparently you don't know fast-n-loose and the OP does not know Dan Dishaw. LOL! :wink::wink: That was a joke.
So.....as I said. It's just a "no deal" thing. Done. Go your separate ways.
Everybody needs to lighten up a little on this one and just be done with it.
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This is an outright lie. I never said any such thing nor did I even imply any such thing. Keep talking smack and I'll post the entire email exchange. Did you notice I didn't post your identity or name the cue?
I told you twice already I was out without using FAST_N_LOOSE as the escrow, but you came back each time arguing how I should read up on PayPal, blah blah blah.
And now you want to say "no cue for you" as if I still wanted it? You are some piece of work. Glad I went with my gut on this one.
escrow
You guys should give it a rest.....................
This is not doing either of you any good........................
And it only going to make it worse.
MMike
You guys should give it a rest.....................
This is not doing either of you any good........................
And it only going to make it worse.
MMike
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cueporn
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You sir are a nit.
You start this thread like you have a story to tell.
Real simple, if you want something from sombody, dont tell them how its going to go. When a seller is suggesting using a know cuebuilder who is a past president of the cuebuilders association he may know somthing about doing things right.
I have a customer in China. The first was 3750, just amazing, loaded with ivory. The man sent the cash up front by bank wire. He would literally have to come 1/3 way around the world to get to me. I shipped his cue, uninsured, through customs , claiming $150 value as he instructed. He received it and after that used me to escrow several high end cues and I sold him 3 others. Everytime he paid up front.
Dont imply I am a scammer.
Dont imply this cue is any less than perfect.
Dont try threaten me, you just show your ass everytime.
You sounded like a moron then, you sound worse now.
Dont post BS about a deal you couldnt even swing. What did you spend your cue money on?
You dont have a clue about me, I am honest to a fault.
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Is 'cueporn' aka 'master9baller'....previously banned member?
I apologize if this is not the case.
I apologize if this is not the case.
TheCueHunter
Banned
What I don't get it is how you are butt hurt the guy wanted to use Marcus for escrow, who is known here and it's known he provides this service, and so you won't do it because "he could just run off with the cue" BUT you suggest Dan Dishaw, who you say is the president of something at one time or another. Well, couldn't the president of something at one time also just "run off" with the other guys money? It sounds like to me you are being nitty and trying to save $12 in shipping costs cause you said you could hand deliver it to him. To me, I would be more leary of using a guy, Dishaw, who KNEW one of the escrow parties....especially the own who suggested the guy, than using a objective third party.
But that's just me.......good luck with the sale:thumbup:
OK, you asked for it. Show me where I called you a scammer (your first claim) or where I implied you are a scammer (second claim). Here's the email string for the members asking me to give it a rest.
Re: RE:
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blipes
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To: Steve
Picture of blipes
again, neither of us know the escrow persons from AZB and even the website itself does not in any way approve that service. There have been several individuals there who have been fine members for over a decade and then ride people of thousands of dollars in cash and or merchandise. So if that person goes bad and robs us both then what? Wouldn't it be better to use the past cue makers Association president whose a recognized Q builder for over 20 years? Pay Pal protax you 100 percent and let you return the item at your discretion for any reason whatsoever. I have bought over a hundred thousand dollars worth of merchandise with it and never once felt unprotected. Not a problem for me as this cue will easily sell. If you use that escrow service and have a loss, there is no recourse whatsoever available to you.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone.
------ Original Message ------
From : Steve
Subject : RE:
Through the AZB escrow service it would be paypal.
Having a personal friend of yours as the escrow won't do.
Sorry, without AZB doing the escrow and attesting to the condition of the cue I'm out.
Steve
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From: blipes
To: Steve
Subject: Re: RE:
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:41:17 +0000
Problem is if somebody I never met robs my cue and your money we both lose.
So for me it has to be PayPal or Dan Dishaw, who has escrowed many deals for me.
PayPal funded with a credit card gives you all the protections you could ever need.
If you aren't comfortable with my suggestions I understand, but I will not risk a 3000 loss when the escrow takes the cue or mis-ships it. Trust me....it happens.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone.
------ Original Message ------
From : Steve
Subject : RE:
Hello Brian,
I've seen a sufficient number of pics.
No offense, but I prefer the AZB escrow service, the cost of which is all on me.
They provide an unbiased opinion of the condition of the cue which I need.
Steve
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From: blipes
To: Steve
Subject: Re: RE:
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:12:58 +0000
I will send pics tonight and then please call me to discuss.
I have a better solution for an escrow. Dan Dishaw is here in Syracuse and has escorted for me. He is a carmaker, past carmakers association president. He is extremely trustworthy as am I.
Call me tonight after the photos are sent.
Brian
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone.
------ Original Message ------
From : Steve
Subject : RE:
Hello.
I offer you $2750 for the McDaniel.
If you were to accept, I wish to use the escrow service as shown in the "sticky" section of the wanted/for sale area of AZB.
Steve
He is under no obligation to use fast and loose if he doesn't want to.
You wanted the cue but would only use fast and loose, he said no it's either paypal directly or my own escrow, you got bitter and started a thread.
Who cares that you didn't name the seller, there was no need for this thread except for you to piss and moan about not being able to buy the cue.
No one is required to use the suggested escrow, buyer or seller.
You wanted the cue but would only use fast and loose, he said no it's either paypal directly or my own escrow, you got bitter and started a thread.
Who cares that you didn't name the seller, there was no need for this thread except for you to piss and moan about not being able to buy the cue.
No one is required to use the suggested escrow, buyer or seller.
cueporn
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Ok Steve....in this thread you called me a scammer.
You are right...you will always be right....
Now keep on being the nit that you are and show everyone just how right you are
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You have a very narrow view of the world. I am sure its taking you to all sorts of wonderful places.
Done with this thread.
Ok Steve....in this thread you called me a scammer.
You are right...you will always be right....
Now keep on being the nit that you are and show everyone just how right you are
.You have a very narrow view of the world. I am sure its taking you to all sorts of wonderful places.
Done with this thread.
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The OP didn't identify the seller. Therefore he wasn't here to smear anyone's reputation, even after someone asked for the sellers idenity...
Crazy stuff. After all the drama that I read here, I am quite doubtful that I would ever try to negotiate a deal here. And that's a shame, since I'm quite sure there are hundreds of deals that go satisfactorily, too....
Crazy stuff. After all the drama that I read here, I am quite doubtful that I would ever try to negotiate a deal here. And that's a shame, since I'm quite sure there are hundreds of deals that go satisfactorily, too....
Actually, I think you just blew yourself out of the water.
Why pursue this?
You can continue to air your dirty laundry but I certainly won't be reading it just like I won't read the PMs you posted.
You had to start a thread because you couldn't agree with somebody on an escrow? You need to make something out of that?
If you need to come on here and announce that you couldn't agree on a deal then it is just whining like a little school girl as far as I am concerned. Man up. The deal didn't go through. Be done with it.
I advanced my opinion on the matters at hand...I'm out of here. Have a great time.
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Well, I can vouch for that. We weren't talking about anywhere close to this amount of money. There were some items that weren't easily obtained where I live.
So, he hopped in his vehicle and made more than one trip to pick up some of the things I needed. And in the end, he refused to take any more money than what the original deal was.
I didn't catch the part of him being called a Scammer but if it was used, thats about as far into left field as one can get.
Just so anyone knows this for future dealings with him. Obviously some people need to outed on AZ for their business practices. This isn't the case here.
True enuff. He outed himself. When you are reading a thread and you know that it is about you and have nothing to hide, people feel the need to defend their honor so to speak rather than let a thread go on with people wondering if the OP is correct.
Its like a guilty in absentia verdict.
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