"Madison" Bob Griffin Failure to honor his commitments to a client

Its like the judges say on court tv shows, if the defendant, or whoever in the courtroom can't control themselves there, than that gives a good indication of how really nasty (or angry, out of control, etc...) they were when they werent in front of a judge. And Bob you sound like a real jack ass.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Well, I have read both sides of the story and everything seems crystal clear to me, and I believe a court would also have no problem seeing things the same way. The other threads on this are below.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=90419
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=90524

First Mr Griffin, you agreed to $1050 as the final price, with $525 down. He would not have sent you the large sum of $525 and shortchanged you by a whopping sum of $37.50. It just doesn't make sense. And you say he was supposed to send $562.50 but you did not mention it to him until 8 months later? Again, it just does not make sense. If the correct amount was $562.50 but you were going to go ahead and accept the $525 as downpayment, you would at least mentioned it to him that he had failed to send the full half and that the remaining balance would be higher. You did not do that because he sent you the agreed to correct amount to begin with.

Second, by your own words Mr Griffin, you told him 2-6 months for completion. It has been 8 months. "Cuemaker time" is great if the customer is willing to accept it, but if not you need to honor the deal in the timeframe that was estimated or give him his money back if requested. The courts see it the same way. I have on videotape the Peoples Court episode where a cuemaker was sued for this exact same thing, taking longer to complete the cues than the customer was told. The cuemaker used "cuemakers time" as a defense. He lost. The court ruled that there is no excuse for not delivering the cue/s at or at least close to the time frame that was estimated. It does not matter what the reasons are for the delay, health or otherwise. Yes that sucks for you, but ultimately it is NOT THE CUSTOMERS PROBLEM and it is not right to make him pay for YOUR problem.

Third, after the 6 months came and went he was doing you a favor by only asking for pictures to be sent as proof the cues were done. He could have rightfully just asked for his money back then but he stuck with you for several more months. You should have bent over backwords to accomodate him, because he was more than patient with you when you failed to honor you side of the bargain.

Fourth, you should be offering him a discount, not trying to weasel more money from him. You dropped the ball, and even if the reason was beyond your control, it certainly was not the customers fault.

Fifth, you keep saying that you do not give deposits back. That is only legal if you live up to your end of the bargain, including the delivery time. You cannot keep someones deposit if you never finish the cue, or if you finish it much after the time which was promised. He has every right to ask for and to get his money back.

Sixth, you feel that he should be paying you a commission for your trouble in having to sell the cues so that you can give him his money back after you failed to meet the delivery deadline by several months. Are you kidding me? Refer back to point number 4.

Seventh, you keep talking about how you have worked so hard to build your reputation over 15 years, but you sure seem willing to throw it away very quickly by the way that you have chosen to handle the situation. Count me in as someone that will not be doing any business with you, and I am sure that I am not the only one.

Mr Griffin, give the man back his money, and immediately, if that is what he wants at this point. If he is willing to work out another agreement, it is you, not him, that should be bending over backwards to make the necessary concessions.
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Poolplaya9 has nailed it.....when Bob requested 50% down I should of asked for a purchase agreement, but I didn't because I trusted him (my fault). I sent the check with no problems....I would never jeopardize the 525.00 down payment I sent to Bob by trying swindle him out of 75.00 in the end.....that makes absolutely no sense at all.....send the man 525.00 and try to screw him for 75.00.....I would have to be an absolute MORON to risk my down for such a small return, and yes you guys are correct the amount of the down payment is a new born issue....

Thanks Dale
 
man a lot of cue builders have some serious anger issues. Makes me wonder if they started out making baseball bats to beat sh*t up with first.. and then realized they could just make a cue instead.
 
Bob ship the 2 cues to Dave Hughes....I will pay the balance upon inspection......that or send me 525.00 to my paypal account....
 
snowmon34 said:
Bob ship the 2 cues to Dave Hughes....I will pay the balance upon inspection......that or send me 525.00 to my paypal account....
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Sounds very fair to me.

I know you should not have to do this, but one last offer I would make, Escrow the money with a mutual AZ'er.

I frankly dont think the cues even exist.
 
xianmacx said:
Sounds very fair to me.

I know you should not have to do this, but one last offer I would make, Escrow the money with a mutual AZ'er.

I frankly dont think the cues even exist.
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That's an interesting idea...

It might explain some things, but not everything. For instance, sending MB what he wanted without him producing the cues might be very bad for MB. I suppose a complaint could be filed against him with the police, although I don't know how those things work. Not going there.

I hope this is all resolved amicably.


Flex
 
bob griffin said:
WELL SHIT YOUR STILL HERE TALKING ABOUT SHIT YOU KNOW NOTHING OF I HAVE 1 SHOP FULL OF MACHINE AND ANOTHER ONE THATS HAD SOME OF MY OLDER STUFF SOLD OUT OF IT . BESIDES I COULD BUILD A CUE ON A DRILL PRESS THAT WOULD LOOK AND PLAY 5 TIMES OF WHAT YOURS WOULD BUILD ON ALL THAT HIGH DOLLARS MACHINES YOU BUY JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IF YOU BUY IT IT WILL STRIAGHTEN OUT ALL THE PROBLEM THAT COMES FROM YOUR INABILTY,S OF KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT BUILDING CUES ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE FROM WHAT I HEAR IT,S LIE STEAL AND SWINDLE THE PEOPLE AND THE GAME I GIVE MORE TO THIS SPORT IN ONE YEAR THAN YOU EVER HAVE YOU JUST SHOW UP AND LOOK FOR THE BUCK. YOU FORCED ME INTO SAYING THESE THINGS THIS SHIT IS WHATS BAD FOR THE SPORT I DON,T LIKE PLAYING INTO IT BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON,T KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP AND YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE ONE STAY OUT OF PEOPLES SHIT BETTER YET I WILL CHALLANGE YOU TO A COMPLETE CUE BUILD OFF BETWEEN YOU AND I BUILD ON THE SIMPLEST MACHINE SUCH AS A WOOD LATHE AND DRILL PRESS SAY $10.000 TO THE WINNER IF YOU DON,T WISH TO COMPETE THEN SHUT THE HELL UP.
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Comedy response? I know I laughed.
 
Attack

snowmon34 said:
more history on MB......

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=75626&highlight=griffin
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Dale don,t act as if you knew nothing of this .this is when you started treating me as if i was a rip off artist asking for pics wanting me to give you every little detail saying your so called partners were worried about me . i responded to every request you asked for untill you just backed out useing your ghost partners as batsys the cues were finished i have the pics i send you of the finished cues i have sold the other 2 cues today i will send your cash back to you in full and take the lost of all the long distance phone calls trying to collect my money for work i completed for you plus all the extra emailing of pics if i did this for every person who did,nt want to pay there bill i would be broke in no time i ate atleast $100.00 on this little deal plus i,ve been attacked by everyone that wishs to do this to other builders having them build cues then ask for there down payments back i told you dale that it could take 2 to 6 months are longer you agreed now on the forum its become a issue on time you know better dale . you should be ashamed of yourself dale i think theres more behind this then what is brought forward with you and a couple of others that wish to try and run me out of the cue bus.by downing my bus. but i just recieved 3 orders from this advertisement thanks dale looks like i made back what i had to work extra for you not to pay me i quess it,s just karma paying back a man that as worked hard for what he has got. now i know dale with you you probally want this send gift wraped air mail to lord knows who so you can prove that i did,nt do this are that are what ever so what else do you want me to do now dale i,ve done so much for nothing at this point i quess a few more extra things won,t matter now please keep it simple so you don,t get confused on what you,ve asked for like you have all the way thru this mess would you like me to split it between you and your blind silent partners are would you just like to have it shipped to you in full??? please give me detailed written orders right here so everyone can see what we are doing so they all can agree we done are bus, the right way . people can say what they wish i went will beyond the call of duty to the point that i lost money my rep was attacked and every good thing i done for dale and his partners was over looked and everybody always thinks the cue builder should take the lost and it had to be what we did,nt do will in this case there wrong i busted my buns for dale above and beyond and he got on here and did,nt even give me a chance to sale his cues to pay his debt he wanted me to just pull it out of my pocket and pay myself buy saleing what he had ordered because he was broke and could,nt pay the bill i quess. lets put the shoe on your foot i think everyone should work and not get payed untill they sale the job they completed and pay back the boss the down payment he used to hire you with after all thats why he hired you cause he knew he could get by with it if he could,nt afford to pay you everybody would understand thats it,s only labor it,s not like it,s real money just think if everyone had to work and have to sale the job to get payed man it,s hard to tell the bill collectors hey i done the job don,t turn off my electric i,ll pay you right after i sale the job i just done and pay the boss back his down payment and then i,ll send you your cash please leave it on another person just send me a down payment if i can,t sale the last job on time i think this guy will pay me when i,am done but if you turn it off i,am out of bus, whole well i,am sure they will understand would,nt you. sorry no paragraghs again whole well it,s there you get the point not that it matters. bob
 
bob griffin said:
Dale don,t act as if you knew nothing of this .this is when you started treating me as if i was a rip off artist asking for pics wanting me to give you every little detail saying your so called partners were worried about me . i responded to every request you asked for untill you just backed out useing your ghost partners as batsys the cues were finished i have the pics i send you of the finished cues i have sold the other 2 cues today i will send your cash back to you in full and take the lost of all the long distance phone calls trying to collect my money for work i completed for you plus all the extra emailing of pics if i did this for every person who did,nt want to pay there bill i would be broke in no time i ate atleast $100.00 on this little deal plus i,ve been attacked by everyone that wishs to do this to other builders having them build cues then ask for there down payments back i told you dale that it could take 2 to 6 months are longer you agreed now on the forum its become a issue on time you know better dale . you should be ashamed of yourself dale i think theres more behind this then what is brought forward with you and a couple of others that wish to try and run me out of the cue bus.by downing my bus. but i just recieved 3 orders from this advertisement thanks dale looks like i made back what i had to work extra for you not to pay me i quess it,s just karma paying back a man that as worked hard for what he has got. now i know dale with you you probally want this send gift wraped air mail to lord knows who so you can prove that i did,nt do this are that are what ever so what else do you want me to do now dale i,ve done so much for nothing at this point i quess a few more extra things won,t matter now please keep it simple so you don,t get confused on what you,ve asked for like you have all the way thru this mess would you like me to split it between you and your blind silent partners are would you just like to have it shipped to you in full??? please give me detailed written orders right here so everyone can see what we are doing so they all can agree we done are bus, the right way . people can say what they wish i went will beyond the call of duty to the point that i lost money my rep was attacked and every good thing i done for dale and his partners was over looked and everybody always thinks the cue builder should take the lost and it had to be what we did,nt do will in this case there wrong i busted my buns for dale above and beyond and he got on here and did,nt even give me a chance to sale his cues to pay his debt he wanted me to just pull it out of my pocket and pay myself buy saleing what he had ordered because he was broke and could,nt pay the bill i quess. lets put the shoe on your foot i think everyone should work and not get payed untill they sale the job they completed and pay back the boss the down payment he used to hire you with after all thats why he hired you cause he knew he could get by with it if he could,nt afford to pay you everybody would understand thats it,s only labor it,s not like it,s real money just think if everyone had to work and have to sale the job to get payed man it,s hard to tell the bill collectors hey i done the job don,t turn off my electric i,ll pay you right after i sale the job i just done and pay the boss back his down payment and then i,ll send you your cash please leave it on another person just send me a down payment if i can,t sale the last job on time i think this guy will pay me when i,am done but if you turn it off i,am out of bus, whole well i,am sure they will understand would,nt you. sorry no paragraghs again whole well it,s there you get the point not that it matters. bob
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Anybody understand this garbage? I feel sorry for Dale. Give Snowman his money back!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Bob,

Just paypal the funds...I will eat the 4% fee.....
my paypal address is snowmon34@yahoo.com

Thank you

Dale

FYI,

Bob I just wanted to buy some cues from you because they play great....nothing more nothing less...it didnt have to get this ugly
 
Salamander said:
Anybody understand this garbage? I feel sorry for Dale. Give Snowman his money back!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nope. Call me a snob but I would never do business with someone who butchers the English language like this.

For Pete's sake, grammar is taught in elementary school. Just some simple <ENTER> and <.> where they belong and it might be readable.
 
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