Main Forum = CJ Wiley Forum now?

SakuJack said:
Times change quickly it seems:



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Big difference in gambling to make money and doing it to prove a point and stay sharp.

If cj wanted to make money gambling he would not be on azb.

Maybe if you knew anything about american pool culture you would understand this. The deeper meaning of cj's words are difficult to grasp for those who have not experienced the gambling side of pool.



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JB Cases said:
Big difference in gambling to make money and doing it to prove a point and stay sharp.

If cj wanted to make money gambling he would not be on azb.

Maybe if you knew anything about american pool culture you would understand this. The deeper meaning of cj's words are difficult to grasp for those who have not experienced the gambling side of pool.

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You must have not read CJ's posts properly. If you had, you'd realise why the above makes little sense. And I'm not the only one who spotted the inconsistency, so whether I do or don't know anything about American pool culture is entirely irrelevant.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion, though.
 
plain or barbecued?

vapoolplayer said:
Difference in wanting to gamble, and doing it to prove a point. :P
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I don't see anything wrong with using money to keep score with. Like I said many times, it doesn't matter how much you play for as long as you're playing for something to make it "serious".

I was in a pool room in Ft. Worth he other night and they were playing a ring game. I ask "how much are you guys playing for" and they said "chips," to which I responded "how much are the chips worth"....they said they're 89 Cents plus tax.

Hmmm, plain or barbecued? :groucho:
 
SakuJack said:
You must have not read CJ's posts properly. If you had, you'd realise why the above makes little sense. And I'm not the only one who spotted the inconsistency, so whether I do or don't know anything about American pool culture is entirely irrelevant.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion, though.
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Actually it's you who have not read them correctly.

It's very relevant. People who gamble to make money in pool are not trying to be conspicuous and call out the whole world.

CJ and a lot of top American players spent time on the road where you aren't trying to make "fair" games all the time where both sides have an equal shot at winning. You are making games where the other side THINKS that they have a fair shot at winning.

That type of gambling is a lot different than playing heads up sets as challenge matches and can be a lot more lucrative.

Because you obviously do not understand this you only see incongruence in CJ's statements and you are driven for some reason to try and discredit him in any way possible.

CJ's point was very clear, if ANYONE thinks that there is a list of 100 players who can beat CJ then bring them on and CJ will play them one at a time for whatever they agree on. That's a heads-up challenge to the world. You can take your money and start in Texas where a good number of good players reside.

You are sadly mistaken if you think that this type of challenge gambling is done to "make money". As CJ pointed out, getting even with Shane and making him quit stopped other people from even trying to play. THAT is the pool culture we live in. Just because CJ managed to get even on Shane people duck him. And THAT is why CJ feels that a "list" of people in the USA who would crush him is ludicrous and why he feels rightly so that there aren't many or ANY on the planet would would crush him either.

CJ's statements are not inconsistent at all. You just don't understand the context or if you do you are disingenuously ignoring it.
 
the 5/7 and the break, which is tough to do with players I don't know.

JB Cases said:
Actually it's you who have not read them correctly.

It's very relevant. People who gamble to make money in pool are not trying to be conspicuous and call out the whole world.

CJ and a lot of top American players spent time on the road where you aren't trying to make "fair" games all the time where both sides have an equal shot at winning. You are making games where the other side THINKS that they have a fair shot at winning.

That type of gambling is a lot different than playing heads up sets as challenge matches and can be a lot more lucrative.

Because you obviously do not understand this you only see incongruence in CJ's statements and you are driven for some reason to try and discredit him in any way possible.

CJ's point was very clear, if ANYONE thinks that there is a list of 100 players who can beat CJ then bring them on and CJ will play them one at a time for whatever they agree on. That's a heads-up challenge to the world. You can take your money and start in Texas where a good number of good players reside.

You are sadly mistaken if you think that this type of challenge gambling is done to "make money". As CJ pointed out, getting even with Shane and making him quit stopped other people from even trying to play. THAT is the pool culture we live in. Just because CJ managed to get even on Shane people duck him. And THAT is why CJ feels that a "list" of people in the USA who would crush him is ludicrous and why he feels rightly so that there aren't many or ANY on the planet would would crush him either.

CJ's statements are not inconsistent at all. You just don't understand the context or if you do you are disingenuously ignoring it.
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I think it would be naive to think I'm cleverly disguising myself to make money gambling at pool. It would be nice to be able to play for any amount of money to make it interesting, however, as I said before, it can be any amount that makes both players want to win.

This day and age is just so much different than it was in the 80's and 90's....it seems players either want to play for large sums of money, or not at all. It's too bad there can't be a trend of everyone playing for $20 a game again so everyone could get back in stroke. That's happening every day on the golf course, people consistenly play for $5-$20 per hole and play every day. This type "recreational gambling" has all but disappeared it seems, and I'm not entirely sure why.

I still haven't had any offers to match up at all, except a couple requests for the 5/7 and the break, which is tough to do with players I don't know.
 
SakuJack said:
So you read this post:



And don't see any inconsistencies with the earlier post where CJ was literally offering 10 of the top 20 players in the world money games?

Christ, John, quit while you're behind.
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Christ Jack, quit when you don't understand the subject. "Gamble for money" in this context means HUSTLE to make money.

Stepping into the box to play challenge matches is not hustling. It's a two man tournament that is winner take all.

And on top of it so what? If CJ decided that in the face of silly criticism and put downs like you and others have trolled him with that he would step up and bet on himself against these players that someone posted he would have zero chance against then that's his prerogative.

And if you really want to go down this rabbit hole, as it appears you do, then IF CJ really has NO CHANCE against the "top" players then he is certainly not gambling to make money at all, he is donating money based on pride.

Next case please.
 
CJ Wiley said:
I think it would be naive to think I'm cleverly disguising myself to make money gambling at pool. It would be nice to be able to play for any amount of money to make it interesting, however, as I said before, it can be any amount that makes both players want to win.

This day and age is just so much different than it was in the 80's and 90's....it seems players either want to play for large sums of money, or not at all. It's too bad there can't be a trend of everyone playing for $20 a game again so everyone could get back in stroke. That's happening every day on the golf course, people consistenly play for $5-$20 per hole and play every day. This type "recreational gambling" has all but disappeared it seems, and I'm not entirely sure why.

I still haven't had any offers to match up at all, except a couple requests for the 5/7 and the break, which is tough to do with players I don't know.
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You can reliably find $20 games on the bar box in bars throughout the country...maybe not you, CJ. ;) You're right, though...it seems that the young'uns in the pool rooms all want to go straight at games for over a dime or more, with a riduculous spot. I'm not sure how that market developed, but the casual nickel/dime action in pool rooms (especially on the margins of tournaments or leagues) has all but dried up. Like many on here, I took a long break from the game and when I came back, seems like all the rules/etiquette changed. Glad I quit gambilng, I'd be absolutely lost trying to figure out the moves now.
 
JB Cases said:
"Gamble for money" in this context means HUSTLE to make money.
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Says who? You can't just take a word and decide it means something else to prove your point (assuming you have a point to prove).

gamble: to play a game for money or property.

You're wrong. You've been wrong the entire time. Give it up.
 
SakuJack said:
Says who? You can't just take a word and decide it means something else to prove your point (assuming you have a point to prove).

gamble: to play a game for money or property.

You're wrong. You've been wrong the entire time. Give it up.
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Context J.A.C.K. context. Do I need to provide you with a dictionary definition of that as well?

Again, you don't understand the culture and so you don't understand the context.

Or you are just being obtuse on purpose. Either way as Will said, much ado about nothing.

Next case please.
 
JB Cases said:
Context J.A.C.K. context. Do I need to provide you with a dictionary definition of that as well?

Again, you don't understand the culture and so you don't understand the context.

Or you are just being obtuse on purpose. Either way as Will said, much ado about nothing.

Next case please.
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It has nothing to do with context and everything to do with the actual meaning of the word. If someone is done with hustling then they say they're done with hustling, if they're done with gambling then they say they're done with gambling.

Unless, of course, they're just being obtuse on purpose ;).
 
I only make "bear" games"

SakuJack said:
It has nothing to do with context and everything to do with the actual meaning of the word. If someone is done with hustling then they say they're done with hustling, if they're done with gambling then they say they're done with gambling.

Unless, of course, they're just being obtuse on purpose ;).
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sorry, meant to say "I don't hustle people, I only make "bear" games"
 
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I'm getting some expert advice on how to stay out of traps

SakuJack said:
Haha! Where is that picture taken?

:grin:
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Tonight here in Ft. Worth Texas... :wink: I'm getting some expert advice on how to "stay out of traps".
 
SakuJack said:
It has nothing to do with context and everything to do with the actual meaning of the word. If someone is done with hustling then they say they're done with hustling, if they're done with gambling then they say they're done with gambling.

Unless, of course, they're just being obtuse on purpose ;).
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You mean I think unless they are being obfuscating on purpose. As long as we are talking about what words mean and all?

You see J.A.C.K. in our American pool culture we interchange gambling and hustling when talking about playing pool for money. So sometimes when people HERE say that they gamble on pool for a living they mean that they hustle pool for a living.

Just like the old joke about the pool player who won the lottery. When asked what he would do with them money he said nothing would change he would just go on hustling pool until it's all gone.

So yes, J.A.C.K. speaking semantically and OUT OF CONTEXT gambling is wagering. You are absolutely right and I can tell you that your ability to read and understand a definition is spot on. However your ability to understand colloquial usage of terms is a bit fuzzy and you seem to have a hard time understanding it even when explained to you.

I, for example, didn't need to procure a dictionary to argue that a boot was something a person wears on their feet rather than a British use of the word to mean the trunk of a car when I missed a question concerning the boot on my German driving test which was administered in British English. And I don't thing that they would have been sympathetic anyway.

I can certainly understand why you don't understand this but I can't understand why you care? Unless of course you wish to continue to troll CJ and introduce more negativity to the forum? Is that your goal?
 
JB Cases said:
You mean I think unless they are being obfuscating on purpose. As long as we are talking about what words mean and all?
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Nope, I mean obtuse.

obtuse
1. Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
2. Difficult to understand.

Using the incorrect word or term makes you difficult to understand. Understand?

The rest of your post is negative babble, so I'm going to ignore it. Aside from the penultimate sentence that is. I don't see how I'm trolling CJ at all. I've interacted him in the exactly the same way I would with anyone else.
 
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