Man charged for trading ivory

lawman888 said:
Its cool Steve, I also feel as if he made the stupidest comment of all time!! I mean Rape, murder, and ivory are realllllllllly close.

Yesterday in downtown there was a drive by ivorying:eek:
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And as the old saying goes, "a drive-by ivorying is a helluva lot easier than a drive-by raping."
 
Kernunnos would be upset....

No he's mad about ivory poaching because Kernunnos don't like poaching...

Jaden

p.s. if anyone gets this besides supergreenman, I'll be surprised...
 
supergreenman said:
I don't see the difference between them and Ivory smugglers, and ivory consumers like yourself.
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You don't see the difference between murderers and ivory consumers? Here's a pretty big difference ... if a guy buys an ivory cue from your neighbor you will sleep fine at night, if a guy murdered the family that lived next door to you ... well, you probably wouldn't be sleeping so great.

Just imagine the tragedy if he murdered them all using an ivory cue!
 
Here we go again with the ivory dispute... someone making unfounded statements that insinuate all ivory has been poached.

Loins kill elephants for food everyday, elephants die of natural causes or diseases... they are not all poached. For the love of Pete, what is so hard to understand about this???
 
supergreenman said:
You must have a very limited imagination. Poaching a spieces into extintion is very much as grave as murder or rape. Just because you don't respect the world around you doesn't mean it has less value than the human species.

Why don't you go back to the shallow gene pool you popped out of.
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I could agree with you... But then we would both be wrong:rolleyes:
 
Worminator said:
Here we go again with the ivory dispute... someone making unfounded statements that insinuate all ivory has been poached.

Loins kill elephants for food everyday, elephants die of natural causes or diseases... they are not all poached. For the love of Pete, what is so hard to understand about this???
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Yeah, another thread about using ivory. Most posts will be from the ill informed. I am sure he doesn't play with a cue and or case from China made by 12 year olds. :)

JV
 
Enough with the bickering.

Does anyone know what cuemakers got their Ivory or Cues from this vendor?
 
I'm trying to decide what I'd be more upset about... finding out my brother bought an ivory cue or finding out that he is a rapist and a murderer.

It's a tough call, you are right, they are pretty close. :rolleyes:
 
supergreenman said:
Why? Are vegetarians the only people who are allowed to think that it's wrong to poach a species to extinction?
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Not at all, and you are throwing in an assumption after my question which is false. I do not think it is right to poach illegally let me throw that in there. However you were comparing rape and murder of people vs the killing or poaching of animals into extinction as being one and the same.

As a meat eater which now I assume you are, those animals are killed as well to feed you so basically you condone that action. Before you mention that the methods these animals are killed is legal vs what we are talking about, does that really matter? The population of earth is growing and you (and myself) are eating meat by animals that are killed/slaughtered or however you want to spin it. These animals can eventually become extinct as well just like the elephants you are talking about. This may take a lot longer as there are a ton more chickens, cows, etc vs elephants but it may happen, especially with our population growing every year. Of course you might try to argue that its comparing apples and oranges since the elephants are a lot smaller in #s vs the animals we eat. You might argue that we can't survive without eating meat which is false. Still, by eating meat you condone the killing of the animals you eat period.

Speaking of...it's about lunch time...time to go grab some steak!
 
supergreenman said:
You must have a very limited imagination. Poaching a spieces into extintion is very much as grave as murder or rape. Just because you don't respect the world around you doesn't mean it has less value than the human species.

Why don't you go back to the shallow gene pool you popped out of.
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Wow, that really hurt! What are you, five years old?

You seem to be clueless about the status of African elephants, and it wouldn't make any difference to someone who is obviously as opinionated as you are, but you really do owe it to yourself to do just a little research before making those remarks about poaching them into "extintion". This wasn't meant to be the start of another ivory vs. alternative discussion, as this subject has been beaten to death on plenty of other threads.

I just believe that humans are different than animals. Once again, I hope you never have to find out the difference between animals and a loved one personally. You will understand then, I guarantee you.

Back to the shallow gene pool for me. I don't feel the need to even address this again. I'll just let your opinion stand on its own merit...:wink:

Steve Feld
Phoenix, AZ
 
actually not even that....

Spimp13 said:
Not at all, and you are throwing in an assumption after my question which is false. I do not think it is right to poach illegally let me throw that in there. However you were comparing rape and murder of people vs the killing or poaching of animals into extinction as being one and the same.

Speaking of...it's about lunch time...time to go grab some steak!
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Actually he was comparing raping and murdering to purchasing of a material that may or may not have contributed to the extinction of a species. There's no way to know HOW the ivory was obtained.

Me, I'm of a mind that everything that happens is meant to happen, so if a species dies so be it. Besides, we're almost to a point with cloning and genetic manipulation to where we can restore extinct species, let alone allow existing species become extinct.

Jaden
 
you get a pat on the back...

Spimp13 said:
As a "god of nature and animals" from Ireland back in the old times he does not like poaching. What do I win for knowing this :)?
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If you didn't google it...however, aside from the goddess, he is the most powerful in a pantheon of fae creatures and the top god.... He is often referred to as "The green man" and is most often represented with horns or antlers and may have been the inspiration of the horned and hoofed version of "Satan" in the christian dogma as the roman catholic church was in a battle to eradicate pagan belief systems as is evident in their bastardization of Christmas (Winter Solstice) and Easter (spring equinox)....
And their inability to eliminate all hollows eve, Sowen, spelled Samhain, known as halloween.

The practice of trick or treating and jackolanterns can be traced back to the pagan practices of traveling around on Samhain with scary masks and lighted gourds in order to verify that their neighbors were safe on the evening that the border between the spirit realm and the physical realm was weakest. The scary masks and decorated gourds were believed to scare off the evil spirits and or fae creatures that roamed the physical world on that night and had more power.,


Jaden
 
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PaulieB said:
You don't see the difference between murderers and ivory consumers? Here's a pretty big difference ... if a guy buys an ivory cue from your neighbor you will sleep fine at night, if a guy murdered the family that lived next door to you ... well, you probably wouldn't be sleeping so great.

Just imagine the tragedy if he murdered them all using an ivory cue!
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I don't really understand peoples limited vision when it comes to consumerism. You reduce a global problem to the actions of the guy next door.

Putting the elephants aside for a second, take a look at poaching as a whole. Who's doing it? The guy next door isn't, the guy he gave $1500 for a ivory inlaid cue isn't doing it either. The Cue maker didn't go out and shoot an elephant, he bought it from a dealer, who bought it from a smuggler, who bought it from the poacher.

The last 3 people in this chain of events are not nice people by any means. they represent the lowest of society as part of organized crime syndicates.

These people are, metephorically speaking, murdering people with a ivory inlaid pool cue.

They murder the wildlife rangers that are trying to protect the animals, they intimidate and exploit the local population who have very little and are more worried about putting food on thier table than they are about the elephants that live in the surrounding areas.

If you think the only harm that comes from a bit of ivory in your cue is that an elephant had to die, you're terribly mistaken.
 
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