Man, pool halls are dangerous

That 380 auto has all the fire power I need. I use standard hollow point rounds with a standard load, nothing special nothing fancy. Like I said HU, that's all the fire power I need for protection a 380 will get the job done.

Things can vary. Summertime, tee shirts, and the right choice of bullet and I put a lot of faith in a 380. It is a nine MM and many police and militaries relied on it for decades before the 9MM parabellum pretty much took over when it became NATO's standard round. Come wintertime, I don't put the same faith in a 380 with the danger of thick clothing packing the nose of a bullet and preventing expansion.

Given my druthers I would prefer a .45. The smaller bullets may expand but the .45 doesn't shrink and I am usually carrying the same type of rounds in either. After shooting it a bit I really like the .40 too.

The thing is weight, bulk, and what I will tote. Over the years my carry pistols have constantly gotten smaller and lighter which is why I carry the 380 if I carry now. If I absolutely feel the need to go where I know I shouldn't be, then I step up to the .45. I have shot hundreds of thousands of rounds through a 1911 in practice or competition and I feel comfortable with one. Not to point and hold someone at bay, it is lousy at that. Can't beat it for shooting though!

I try to match whatever the local cops are toting for bullets. "I'm shooting these flying ashcans to be nice. I don't have to shoot a person as many times." Parroting the same things the cops are taught to say.

I don't want to take anyone's life. However, if it comes down to being the shooter or the shootee, no question which position I would prefer to be in. While mostly a bigger is better kind of guy I would prefer a .22 short rimfire to being barefoot!

Hu
 
Manwon…….I kinda figured your experience wasn’t a contemporaneous one and was something you experienced from the past. It hopefully never arises again for you or anything remotely approaching where you have a threat requiring you
to draw your gun. I carry a collapsible baton, pepper spray, pocket knife & pepper spray so I do have less lethal options.

I don’t even bother carrying a spare mag since I’m not expecting to get into a gun fight. However, there’s several loaded ones in the lockbox in my car trunk. People today are litigious minded so I figure for the small cost, it’s far better to be protected against even frivolous lawsuits if some misfortune were to happen and I felt using my gun was necessary.
 
If you ever get the chance to fire a aluminum frame, not the all steel version that’s heavier, Para P12, you definitely should. It actually is about the same size as the Walter PPK. The gun’s bobtail fits my hand like a deer skin leather gloves. Despite what many gun writers say, the recoil is really mild but I shoot my S&W Model 29 all the time so it should by comparison. It just barks real loud and even though 9 mm ballistics prove it is an excellent defensive round, I prefer the added ft lbs delivery of a .45 on center mass. Plus, the 1911 platform is the best handgun design invented. Thank you John Moses Browning.
 

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@alphadog and I were in a pool hall when the SWAT team was called in on friend of ours. About 6 SWAT dudes came in, guns drawn on a 50+ year old guy. I still bring up that story whenever I see the old guy (who's a pool instructor now).
 
I told him to stop with the knife in his hand, he came at me. I told him to stop twice, and that was the end of the story. Basically the police believed me and the guy turned out to be a felon that had a long, long rap sheet Overall, it was a very easy process, but I do understand under different circumstances I could've really gotten burned.
It sounds like you don't realize how much times have changed since then, and that it might not take any "different circumstances" at all for you to be charged with murder for the exact same thing today depending on the politics of the prosecutor, what area you live in, what color the person you defended yourself against was, what color you are, and/or what political persuasion you are.

If your case happened in today's world they would just as likely try to argue "you should have ran away instead", or "you should have just tackled him and fought with him, he only had a knife", or "you should have shot him in the leg instead", or "but you didn't have to shoot him that second time" and charge you with murder.

The anti-gun sentiment is so incredibly virulent in so many (who often end up being the prosecutors and jurors) that they are looking to stick it to anybody they can who uses a gun in self defense, even when they know the prosecution isn't justified, because they don't care, they just want to see a gun owner sent to prison. The racism is so strong in so many people today that there are some of them who are looking to prosecute and convict anybody they possibly can who is white and defends themselves, or anybody who defends themselves against a minority, and they don't care that the prosecution isn't justified. The political hate is so strong in some that if they have reason to believe you are on the wrong side of the aisle from their beliefs (and you being a gun owner may be all the convincing they need that you are of the "wrong" political persuasion) they are going to try to nail you to a cross even when they know your prosecution is not justified.

Daniel Penny and Kyle Rittenhouse are just a couple of the more famous recent examples where self defense was very clearly justified but where one or more of the things mentioned above were the actual reason they were prosecuted, but there are tons of similar examples out there.

The picture below comes from a case not much different from yours (full video is on youtube). Ma'Khia Bryant was literally in the act of trying to stab another girl to death and the police had to shoot her to prevent the murder that would otherwise be occurring within literally just a split second. There was a massive uproar from a big part of the general public, and from politicians, and sports and movie stars, etc who said that the shooting was not justified and wanted the police officer charged with murder. They were saying this even after watching the video. One very prominent political organization said Ma'Khia's life was "stolen" from her and that she should be "uplifted, celebrated & honored".

Without that video, the prosecutors in that area likely would have tried to file charges. And the people who were at the scene, who would have been the witnesses at trial, would have lied and said the shooting was not justified, just as you can hear them saying on the video. And it wouldn't be unheard of for a jury from that area to want to convict on something like this regardless of what the evidence really said. The only thing that saved that officer was that it was on video, even though most of them were still wanting to try to find some way to get him nailed to a cross anyway even though it was very clearly justified. As Bavafongoul suggested, having insurance to cover your legal defense if you ever have to defend yourself or someone else is probably a smart thing in this day and age.

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It sounds like you don't realize how much times have changed since then, and that it might not take any "different circumstances" at all for you to be charged with murder for the exact same thing today depending on the politics of the prosecutor, what area you live in, what color the person you defended yourself against was, what color you are, and/or what political persuasion you are.

The anti-gun sentiment is so incredibly virulent in so many (who often end up being the prosecutors and jurors) that they are looking to stick it to anybody they can who uses a gun in self defense, even when they know the prosecution isn't justified, because they don't care, they just want to see a gun owner sent to prison. The racism is so strong in so many people today that there are some of them who are looking to prosecute and convict anybody they possibly can who is white and defends themselves, or anybody who defends themselves against a minority, and they don't care that the prosecution isn't justified. The political hate is so strong in some that if they have reason to believe you are on the wrong side of the aisle from their beliefs (and you being a gun owner may be all the convincing they need that you are of the "wrong" political persuasion) they are going to try to nail you to a cross even when they know your prosecution is not justified.

If your case happened in today's world they would just as likely try to argue "you should have ran away instead", or "you should have just tackled him and fought with him, he only had a knife", or "you should have shot him in the leg instead", or "but you didn't have to shoot him that second time" and charged you with murder.

Daniel Penny and Kyle Rittenhouse are just a couple of the more famous recent examples where self defense was very clearly justified, and where one or more of the things mentioned earlier were what actually motivated their prosecution, but there are tons of examples out there.

The picture below comes from a case not much different from yours (full video is on youtube). Ma'Khia Bryant was literally in the act of trying to stab another girl to death and the police had to shoot her to prevent the murder that would otherwise be occurring within literally just a split second. There was a massive uproar from a big part of the general public, and from politicians, and sports and movie stars, etc who said that the shooting was not justified and wanted the police officer charged with murder. They were saying this even after watching the video. One very prominent political organization said Ma'Khia's life was "stolen" from her and that she should be "uplifted, celebrated & honored".

Without that video, the prosecutors in that area likely would have tried to file charges. And the people who were at the scene, who would have been the witnesses at trial, would have lied and said the shooting was not justified, just as you can hear them saying on the video. And it wouldn't be unheard of for a jury from that area to want to convict on something like this regardless of what the evidence really said. The only thing that saved that officer was that it was on video, even though most of them were still wanting to try to find some way to get him nailed to a cross anyway even though it was very clearly justified. As Bavafongoul suggested, having insurance to cover your legal defense if you ever have to defend yourself or someone else is probably a smart thing in this day and age.

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Thanks for the post and I’m fully aware that under different circumstances I could’ve very easily have been prosecuted. But the circumstances that occurred when I shot that guy clearly identified him as the aggressive and dangerous individual. The restaurant was full of people, and they were at least seven statements taken from other customers who witnessed everything that occurred not to mention the restaurant had multiple video cameras that filmed the entire event.

Plus, the guy had already stabbed one person so his intentions were clear and it made him fair game. When confronted with a situation like the one I was, there is only one reason to shoot someone and that is to end the threat. Shooting someone in the leg, the arm or the foot is a joke no one does it, dead center mass is the only place to aim under those circumstances. If someone can’t do it for whatever reason, they should never pull a gun because the odds are that they will become a victim.
 
part of the problem is you never know the full story and if its bad for you you are in deep trouble.
so unless you are in immediate personal danger or your family is and can articulate that, then most times its best to be a witness rather than a participant.

sure rittenhouse eventually won what was a slam and dunk case his defense costs like maybe 100,000 but he was lucky a gun group paid for it.
he may have been justified but what a stupid thing to do is go to a protest rally in the thick of it with a visible rifle. that's just asking for trouble.
he could have lost if it went just a little different and be sitting in prison right now.

and you have to decide do you want to risk becoming the next victim having him turn on you. so you can save a person that has made the decision not to be armed because they were against citizens having weapons.
 
part of the problem is you never know the full story and if its bad for you you are in deep trouble.
so unless you are in immediate personal danger or your family is and can articulate that, then most times its best to be a witness rather than a participant.
I was in a restaurant eating with my wife. She was sitting right at the table next to me. The guy was coming directly at me with a knife, which is certainly immediate danger. He was about 6 foot five and well over 200 pounds. he was too big for me to take down. So I told him to stop. I told him to stop again. He didn't listen so then I stopped him for good and I don't feel guilty about it. Maybe I should but I don't.
sure rittenhouse eventually won what was a slam and dunk case his defense costs like maybe 100,000 but he was lucky a gun group paid for it.
he may have been justified but what a stupid thing to do is go to a protest rally in the thick of it with a visible rifle. that's just asking for trouble.
he could have lost if it went just a little different and be sitting in prison right now.
I don't think Rittenhouse should've gotten away with shooting people. He placed himself in that situation by going out there with a gun. He's just a young kid. He should never have been out there on the street in the middle of a riot with a semi automatic weapon in my opinion, he brought the entire situation upon himself and he should've been found guilty. The only thing that saved him was the political situation and the political climate when this all occurred they needed someone they could make a hero out of and he was lucky. He was the one that chose. If not, he would've gone to prison so he was very very very very very very, very, very, very lucky.

JIMHO
and you have to decide do you want to risk becoming the next victim having him turn on you. so you can save a person that has made the decision not to be armed because they were against citizens having weapons.
I have no idea what you're even talking about here. I'm sorry I don't understand no disrespect intended..
 
you had every right to do what you did and did the world a service for that.
riitenhouse was totally wrong to be there. but he was attacked first with violence. so that got him off and the fact that i think two of the guys he shot had criminal records for violence.

my last line was to the effect does a person want to risk their life for someone that doesn't believe he should be allowed to own that gun he is trying to save their life with. and so they wouldn't try to save yours. some will, some wont.
 
where, and in what century, does this take place?

Not that I am PC enough to care, I just noticed a reference to "enemy country" in a recent video. Apparently that is what Indian Country has evolved into. As I have already clarified "Indian Country" was used for hostile or unknown territory from at least eighteen hundreds to vietnam era. I suspect still in use in the sands of the mideast but I don't know.

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