Master Pre Flag chalk.

Blue Hog ridr

Blue Hog ridr

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I made a nice score yesterday. The owner of a hall where I play recieved a box of Pre Flag from a guy who walked in and said, " here, I don't need this anymore".
There was 88 pieces in the box. I went to the billiard shop, bought a box of Flag Master and brought it in and asked if he was interested in a even trade. He jumped on it and I'm a happy camper. I told him the story about the Pre Flag but he was only putting it out for use on house cues anyway so he didn't care.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
I made a nice score yesterday. The owner of a hall where I play recieved a box of Pre Flag from a guy who walked in and said, " here, I don't need this anymore".
There was 88 pieces in the box. I went to the billiard shop, bought a box of Flag Master and brought it in and asked if he was interested in a even trade. He jumped on it and I'm a happy camper. I told him the story about the Pre Flag but he was only putting it out for use on house cues anyway so he didn't care.
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I have few hundred pieces of the Blue, and around 100 pieces of the Green, along with some Triangle Chalk that was made in the early 1960's, good score the stuff is slowly becoming scarce.

My personal stash!!:)

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Yep, that puts me up to 247 pieces Craig.
Do you use some of the other rare chalk or just on display at the room?
 
Like a bad penny this pre-flag master thing is.

Reps from Tweeten have said that there's no difference in pre-flag and post-flag. The flag was added either as a 9/11 thing or because their largest seller asked them to add it to help distinguish it from asian knockoffs. If they really changed the formula (supposedly to remove lead in the dye) why would they change the packaging by adding a flag? That's an odd way to signify a (supposedly negative) change in the formula.

I think if there's any difference in feel it's the age. Even within 1 box you'll get some cubes that stick a little better than others.
 
CreeDo said:
Like a bad penny this pre-flag master thing is.

Reps from Tweeten have said that there's no difference in pre-flag and post-flag. The flag was added either as a 9/11 thing or because their largest seller asked them to add it to help distinguish it from asian knockoffs. If they really changed the formula (supposedly to remove lead in the dye) why would they change the packaging by adding a flag? That's an odd way to signify a (supposedly negative) change in the formula.

I think if there's any difference in feel it's the age. Even within 1 box you'll get some cubes that stick a little better than others.
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I am uncertain about pre-flag chalk from 80's or the 90's, that formula may be exactly the same. However, the stuff that I am keeping for my self is from the 1960's, and yes it certainly has a totally different texture. This chalk is far more gritty and it adherer's to the tip much better because of this. Now the Triangle Chalk, included in my pictures is also from the 60 or early 70's, because it was not made by Tweeten until the original manufacturer ( Kieckhefer ) closed their door's.

Since Tweeten started manufacturing Triangle Chalk the only thing that has remained the same is the name, now it is no different than Masters.
 
I have a nice stash that will last well beyond my lifetime. I'm still willing to pay for any that you guys are willing to part with. :)
 
I don't mean to be rude or insensetive, but anyone who thinks there is a difference between Master flag/no flag, is probably thinking about the wrong thing at the table.

If you chalk every time before you shoot, it really doesn't matter. How well it stays on the tip doesn't matter, as long as it stays long enough to hit the cue ball.

I'm not saying there isn't a difference in chalk. There are brands out there that seem much harder, or softer, but if you can get your tip coated with chalk, what more do you really need?

Steve (Never lost a game because of the kind of chalk I used)
 
I'm on the same page. I apply the straight face test to stuff like this.

If my opponent says with a straight face he missed a ball or blew shape because he had post-flag master chalk rather than pre-flag... do I accept it as a valid excuse and just sort of nod my head? Or do I laugh in his face?

I go with the HAHAHAHAHAHHA route. I know, kind of jerky.
 
My understanding of the chalk issue was that a study in published 1996 revealed that some green chalks had high concentrations of lead. Due to this some companies had to reformulate their green chalks to reduce the amount of lead they contained. The abstract of the medical research paper is located here:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/6/916

I wish I could read the paper, but I don't want to shell out any cash for it (call me a nit if you want). I am willing to bet that Master blue chalk, being one of the most popular chalks sold, was one of the 23 tested and it was not listed as one of the 3 that had high levels of lead. Since the paper says that the lead is used as a coloring agent I doubt that Tweeten would have spent any effort to change the formula for blue chalk if they did not have to. Now their green chalk might indeed indeed have different properties now than older chalk, due to lead being removed in lieu of some other compound to make it green. (Although I will admit this confuses me just a bit as I have never seen green lead, but I'm no chemist either)

In fact only Master and Pioneer green chalks were listed as being a lead safety hazard here (at the bottom of page 7):
http://www.leadsafeby2010.org/LinkClick.aspx?link=Lead_Recalls_List.pdf&tabid=94

It might be that due to the age and storage conditions of some pre-flag chalk it just works better, but the few pieces of pre-flag blue chalk that I still have from around 1994 feel the same to me as the new chalk I bought a month ago. If Tweeten did change the recipe, I can't tell the difference at all.

Personally, I believe the whole pre-flag thing is just another hustle. Maybe I should hang on to the five cubes I have left. Maybe I can get $25-$30 a cube for them in another 20 years :wink:
 
pooltchr said:
I don't mean to be rude or insensetive, but anyone who thinks there is a difference between Master flag/no flag, is probably thinking about the wrong thing at the table.

If you chalk every time before you shoot, it really doesn't matter. How well it stays on the tip doesn't matter, as long as it stays long enough to hit the cue ball.

I'm not saying there isn't a difference in chalk. There are brands out there that seem much harder, or softer, but if you can get your tip coated with chalk, what more do you really need?

Steve (Never lost a game because of the kind of chalk I used)
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I don't want to be rude either, but you are not just wrong,
but dead wrong...

Perhaps in the desert, or in the winter with forced air heat and
low humidity the difference might be a little too subtle for most
players to notice - but play some in the rain - or the humid summer.
Anyone who can't tell the difference between pre-flag and the newer
chalk needs to take up bowling.

Dale<who left out the IMHO part for a reason>

Dale
 
I have used many differnet types of chalk. Every one has their own opinion, but here is mine.

Blue Diamond is the best, the old Gold Crown chalk i have is next, then Magic chalk, next is the pre flag Masters.

I don't like the new Masters or the NIR.

JMHO...
 
i bought pre flag because i didnt want it flaking off on my hands...the new stuff seems to break or flake of more than the preflag stuff....i am trying to keep my cues and shafts with the least amount of bluing...that is why i use it not because i prefer to chalk only once a game...i chalk after every shot so i am not going to miscue because of my chalk...i just prefer to keep everything as clean as possable....my thoughts on it....mickey
 
Maybe all chalk goes on better after lots of aging? Something breaks down in it?
 
I like BD and Russian Magic, but to compare Pre Flag to Flag is like Chanel to Old Spice or Hi karate.
 
I use BD chalk when I'm shooting for cash, I honestly notice a slight difference ... but I'm curious about the rumor I heard about "baking" post flag Master chalk to get a similar product to pre flag or even Blue Diamond chalk.

Maybe that's just a funny rumor like the elephant scrotum skin cue wraps? Hehe... whatever :)
 
PaulieB said:
I use BD chalk when I'm shooting for cash, I honestly notice a slight difference ... but I'm curious about the rumor I heard about "baking" post flag Master chalk to get a similar product to pre flag or even Blue Diamond chalk.

Maybe that's just a funny rumor like the elephant scrotum skin cue wraps? Hehe... whatever :)
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Sorta..., if the chalk has gotten damp, due to humidity or whatever,
putting it in a warm oven or microwave wil certainly improve it.
But only untill it gets damp again.

Dale
 
My 2 cents: A while back I hit the Chalk Lottery and was able to purchase 38 cases of 30 year old Pre Flag in perfect condition. I sold it all within 24 hours at a very very very nice profit and had a waiting list of about 20 people just in case anyone didn't pay. I think it is safe to say that there is no comparison between Pre Flag and Flag.
 
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