Matchroom Mosconi Cup Graded Scale Point Events

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Just as I predicted, Matchroom waited til the dust settled to figure out who was leading after 4 point events and have now come up with a 'graded scale' for their qualifying events. Funny, this was never mentioned before.

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11828-mosconi-cup-usa-qualifiers-named/

WITH JUST over nine months until the 22nd annual PartyPoker Mosconi Cup takes place in Las Vegas, Matchroom Sport can announce the roster of events and points system to be used to determine three of the five player USA team.



There are nine scheduled events in total and American players who finish in the top 32 at any of those events will be awarded points on a sliding scale. The tournaments fall into three categories with differing amounts of points awarded accordingly.



Category 1 will be awarded the most points, Category 2 a lesser number of points and Category 3 will receive the least amount of points. The five man USA team for the Mosconi Cup will comprise the top three players in the ranking list at its conclusion as well as two wild cards named by captain Mark Wilson.



The PartyPoker Mosconi Cup takes place from 7th to 10th December this year at a venue to be named in the near future. Ranking lists will be published on www.matchroompool.com as well as the Facebook page and Twitter feed of the Mosconi Cup. Additional events can and may be added to this list should they materialise.



The Points



Category 1



1 – 30 pts

2 – 25

3 – 22

4 – 19

5/6 – 16

7/8 – 13

9/12 – 10

13/16 – 8

17/24 – 6

25/32 – 4



Category 2



1 – 20 pts

2 – 16

3 – 14

4 – 13

5/6 – 11

7/8 – 9

9/12 – 7

13/16 – 5

17/24 – 3

25/32 – 2



Category 3



1 – 15

2 – 12

3 – 11

4 – 10

5/6 – 8

7/8 – 7

9/12 – 5

13/16 – 4

17/24 – 3

25/32 – 2



The Events



- Derby City Classic 9 Ball (Category2)

January 23-26, Horseshoe Southern, Elizabeth, Indiana (this event has a slightly different points allocation due to the unique format).



- 22nd US Bar Table Championships (Category3)

February 16-22, Grand Sierra Resort & Casino, Reno, NV

10-Ball

9-Ball

8-Ball



- Super Billiards Expo (10 Ball) (Category2)

16-19 April, Oaks, PA



- US Open 10-Ball (Category3)

July 22 - August 1, Rio Hotel, Las Vegas, NV



- US Open 8-Ball (Category3)

July 22 - August 1, Rio Hotel, Las Vegas, NV



- Turning Stone 2 (Category2)

August 20-23, Verona, NY



- US Open 9-Ball (Category1)

October 25-31, Sheraton Hotel, Norfolk, VA
 
It really doesn't matter what 5 they send. Name 5 American players you would send that you feel will win against all of Europe and would back them by betting on them. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
It really doesn't matter what 5 they send. Name 5 American players you would send that you feel will win against all of Europe and would back them by betting on them. Johnnyt
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You are right - the favorite wins every time.

CBS Sports must have this week's golf results wrong. Some guy that was 297th in the world won the event. A 22nd year old rookie came in second. And the best player in the world didn't even make the cut.
 
Do they have another ranking for world major tournaments ?
What for guys like Morris or Lombardo who probably plays all the majors instead of U.S barbox championship ? ;)

The Europe has 2 separate ranking : 1 for European Tour and 1 for world major tourneys. 1st each ranking is chosen directly to the team.
 
itsfroze said:
So there are really 4 points levels not 3 as stated n the article by Luke Riches.
The 4th points level being a mystery.

"Derby City Classic 9 Ball (Category2) <--------- ???

January 23-26, Horseshoe Southern, Elizabeth, Indiana (this event has a slightly different points allocation due to the unique format)".

Really, what difference does that make ??? ...
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The standard double-elimination order of finish is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/12, etc. Instead, at DCC 9-Ball, the order of finish this year was 1, 2, 3, 4/5, 6/8, 9/13, 14/24, 25/35, etc. So they will just adjust the points slightly to fit. Nothing sinister there.

itsfroze said:
... why or how does the "unique format" as they like to call it have any bearing on points allocation ??? Turning Stone is double elimination then you have Alan Hopkins Expo event which is single elimination. They are both level 2 points events, but different formats.
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No, the SBE Pro Players Championship will be double-elimination races to 10.

I really think the cynicism about all this is a bit overboard.

Of course it would have been better if all events and points schedules had been announced earlier. But the schedule of events in the USA wasn't even known fully until a few weeks ago. And it is still only the beginning of March, and just 3 months since the last event.
 
And I think the 3 categories for points are entirely rational:

1. The biggest event, US Open 9-Ball, on 9-footers

2. 3 other events on 9-footers

3. 5 events on 7-footers
 
AtLarge said:
And I think the 3 categories for points are entirely rational:

1. The biggest event, US Open 9-Ball, on 9-footers

2. 3 other events on 9-footers

3. 5 events on 7-footers
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Might be rational to some but the question I have asked from the beginning --

Why wasn't any of this announced at the latest by January 1st, 2015?

And in their press release, you would think they would have posted the current point standings. I went to Matchroom's web page and they still aren't listed.
 
Hold on, are they using two totally separate tournament listings for the two groups so if one group does well in a tournament listed for the other group they get no points for them?

If Shane happens to be visiting Holland to get his wooden shoes repaired and wins their national title, he gets 0 points but if Neils wins it he gets points? Or if a UK guy wins the US Open, no points for them?

WTF?

Who sorted out which is a lesser tournament? Did they ever see who plays in DCC or any of the other tournaments? You have to beat the same guys that you would in the US Open. Heck, I've seen regional tournaments like the Joss Tour have Stickland, Dechaine, Shaw, Immonen, Sossei and a handfull of other top players play in them.
 
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hang-the-9 said:
Hold on, are they using two totally separate tournament listings for the two groups so if one group does well in a tournament listed for the other group they get no points for them?

If Shane happens to be visiting Holland to get his wooden shoes repaired and wins their national title, he gets 0 points but if Neils wins it he gets points? Or if a UK guy wins the US Open, no points for them?

WTF?

Who sorted out which is a lesser tournament? Did they ever see who plays in DCC or any of the other tournaments? You have to beat the same guys that you would in the US Open. Heck, I've seen regional tournaments like the Joss Tour have Stickland, Dechaine, Shaw, Immonen, Sossei and a handfull of other top players play in them.
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For the European tournaments, only European players get points.

For US tournaments, only US players get points.

So if SVB gets 3rd in the US Open but Kiamco wins and Ko comes in second -- SVB still gets 3rd place points.

If that is what you are questioning.
 
watchez said:
For the European tournaments, only European players get points.

For US tournaments, only US players get points.

So if SVB gets 3rd in the US Open but Kiamco wins and Ko comes in second -- SVB still gets 3rd place points.

If that is what you are questioning.
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I was more wondering if, in the US Open, Shane gets 3rd, Neils gets 2nd and say DAZ wins, do Neils and DAZ get points for the Euro team ranking? Or if one of the US guys is in Europe and wins a Euro Tour spot, do they count those points for their US selection?
 
Johnnyt said:
It really doesn't matter what 5 they send. Name 5 American players you would send that you feel will win against all of Europe and would back them by betting on them. Johnnyt
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Certainly it's a tall order. There are 750 million people in Europe, more than twice the population of the US. So it's no surprise you have to go in the ballpark of this far down in Fargo Rating to get five US players.

But hey! The competition is fun... The leadup is fun. And you never know when things are going to gel for the underdogs...

Probably getting this year's Italian Open in later today, so these numbers may shuffle little...

Shane Van Boening 821
Niels Feijen 808
Nick Van Den Berg 803
Francisco Sanchez Ruiz 799
Ralf Souquet 798
Jayson Shaw 793
Mike Dechaine 790
David Alcaide 788
Darren Appleton 784
Nick Ekonomopoulos 784
Francisco Diaz-Pizarro 781
Chris Melling 779
Mark Gray 779
Karl Boyes 777
Thorsten Hohmann 777
Alexander Kazakis 777
Serge Das 773
Skyler Woodward 773
Earl Strickland 771
Marcus Chamat 771
Albin Jr. Ouschan 769
Oscar Dominguez 769
 
Clearly Matchroom Sports is not giving a vote of confidence to the powers that be in the US pool scene. They are wrong to do keep interferring. The US Team should be picked by Americans.

Unfortunately, after what happened last year when they left it solely in the hands of the Captain (that they picked) they decided to panic. What we have here is the result of a knee jerk reaction to an ill conceived approach that they instituted the prior year that also failed.

I would suggest that a steering committee of Jay Helfert, Mark Griffin, Jerry Forsyth, Mike Zuglan, Tony Robles for example would be better equipped to come up with the way to form an AMERICAN TEAM!
 
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