Md team apa payouts

Black Cat 5791

Black Cat 5791

I get all the Breaks
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Please take the time and read this entire POST!!!!!! These are the payouts that our league operator pay's out 3 times a year at our Regional Tournaments. I hope that this will stop all the bashing about the APA that goes on.

$75,000 TRI-ANNUALS

Tier-1 8Ball; Tier-2 8Ball;
Tier-1 9Ball; Tier-2 9Ball;
and Masters.


The APA runs (3) League Session per year. The APA Year runs Summer - Fall - Spring. At the end of each League Session, the Championship team from each Division advances to a Tri-Annual Tournament. Since we run (3) League Sessions per year, we also run (3) $75,000 Tri-Annual Tournaments per year, one following each League Session.

This format allows your team (3) chances to win your Division, (3) chances to advance to a Tri-Annual Tournament and (3) chances to advance to the $100,000 Las Vegas Qualifier Tournament ... each year! Please note that our Tier-2 Tri-Annuals are played for cash and trophies only (and to gain valuable "Upper Level" tournament experience!) ... no Tier-2 Team can advance to our Las Vegas Qualifiers, or on to Las Vegas. These must be earned through play in the Tier-1 Tri-Annuals. Playing in a Tier-2 Tri-Annual will get your team ready for the time they can compete in a Tier-1 event.


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$42,000.00+
Tier-1 8-Ball Tri-Annuals:
The goal of each 8-Ball team entering into a Tri-Annual Tournament is to get their team 'Qualified" to participate in the annual Local Team Championship (LTC) tournament, known locally as the 8-Ball Las Vegas Qualifier.

EVERY TEAM in EVERY Tri-Annual is
GUARANTEED TO CASH!
Since many of our players and teams must travel 50, or more miles and
needed to schedule 2 or more weekends to compete in the Tri-Annual events,
we no longer "play down to a winner".

The Tri-Annuals have been modified to reduce the travel to no more than 2 trips.

In addition, $10,000 has been added to the paybacks.

The new payback schedule is:
IN THE SUMMER TRI-ANNUAL (Top 8 Qualify):
1st Place: (4 Teams) $2,400.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
2nd Place: (4 Teams) $1,200.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
3rd Place: (12 Teams) $ 600.00 4th Place: (16 Teams) $ 300.00 5th - Last Place: $ 200.00


IN THE FALL & SPRING TRI-ANNUALS (Top 12 Qualify):
1st Place: (6 Teams) $2,400.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
2nd Place: (6 Teams) $1,200.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
3rd Place: (12 Teams) $ 600.00 4th Place: (16 Teams) $ 300.00 5th - Last Place: $ 200.00

The further each team advances in a Tri-Annual, the closer they are to becoming 'qualified'.
The top teams, as shown below, advance to the Las Vegas Qualifier:
This makes the Annual 8-Ball Las Vegas Qualifier a 32 Team Modified Single Elimination Event (where each team is guaranteed to PLAY twice - not to LOSE twice), comprised of the top finishing teams from each of the (3) Tri-Annuals for the previous year.

Each APA Franchise area, around the US and Canada, (and soon - Japan) is awarded 'Slots' to the APA's National team Championship Tournaments held each year in August at the Riviera Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The number of 'slots' awarded is totally dependent on the number of teams competing weekly in each franchise area. The larger each grows, the more teams advance to Las Vegas! Our growth over the years has seen our slot count increase from 4 teams several years ago, to 10 teams last year (and we keep growing!)

Our 32 team 8-Ball Las Vegas Qualifier tournament sent 12 8-Ball teams to Las Vegas in 2009!

This makes the annual Masters Las Vegas Qualifier an 8 Team Modified Single Elimination Event (where each team is guaranteed to PLAY twice - not to LOSE twice), comprised of the top finishing teams from each of the (3) Tri-Annuals for the previous year.

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$8,500.00+
Tier-1 9-Ball Tri-Annuals:
The goal of each 9-Ball team entering into a Tri-Annual Tournament is to get their team 'Qualified" to participate in the annual Local Team Championship (LTC) tournament, known locally as the 9-Ball Las Vegas Qualifier.

EVERY TEAM in EVERY Tri-Annual is
GUARANTEED TO CASH!
Since many of our players and teams must travel 50, or more miles and
needed to schedule 2 or more weekends to compete in the Tri-Annual events,
we no longer "play down to a winner".

The Tri-Annuals have been modified to reduce the travel to no more than 2 trips.

In addition, $10,000 has been added to the paybacks.
The new payback schedule is:

1st Place: (4 Teams) $800.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
2nd Place: (4 Teams) $400.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
3rd Place: (8 Teams) $200.00 + (only in the Fall) - Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
4th - Last Place: $ 150.00

The further each team advances in a Tri-Annual, the closer they are to becoming 'qualified'.
The top teams, as shown below, advance to the Las Vegas Qualifier:

Summer Tri-Annual: top 4 teams;
Fall Tri-Annual: top 8 teams;
Spring Tri-Annual: top 4 teams
This makes the annual 9-Ball Las Vegas Qualifier a 16 Team Modified Single Elimination Event (where each team is guaranteed to PLAY twice - not to LOSE twice), comprised of the top finishing teams from each of the (3) Tri-Annuals for the previous year.

Each APA Franchise area, around the US and Canada, (and soon - Japan) is awarded 'Slots' to the APA's National team Championship Tournaments held each year in August at the Riviera Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The number of 'slots' awarded is totally dependent on the number of teams competing weekly in each franchise area. The larger each grows, the more teams advance to Las Vegas! Our growth over the years has seen our slot count increase from 2 teams several years ago, to 6 teams last year (and we keep growing!)

Our 16 team 9-Ball Las Vegas Qualifier tournament sent SIX 9-Ball teams to Las Vegas in 2009!

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$2,800.00+
Masters Tri-Annuals:
The goal of each Masters team entering into a Masters Tri-Annual Tournament is to get their team "Qualified" to participate in the annual Local Team Championship (LTC) tournament, known locally as the Masters Las Vegas Qualifier.

EVERY TEAM in EVERY Tri-Annual is
GUARANTEED TO CASH!
Our Masters Tri-Annuals start and finish in 1 day, meaning:
our Masters Players only need to travel to their Tri-Annual Tournament 1 time!
We no longer "play down to a winner".
The new payback schedule is:

1st Place: (2 Teams) $480.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
2nd Place: (2 Teams) $320.00 + (only in the Fall) Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
3rd Place: (4 Teams) $160.00
4th - Last Place: $ 80.00

The further each team advances in a MASTERS Tri-Annual, the closer they are to becoming 'qualified'.
The top teams, as shown below, advance to the MASTERS Las Vegas Qualifier:

Summer Tri-Annual: top 2 teams;
Fall Tri-Annual: top 4 teams
Spring Tri-Annual: top 2 teams.


Each APA Franchise League Operator, around the US and Canada, (and soon - Japan) requests 'slots' for this event, held each year in August at the Riviera Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The number of 'slots' awarded is totally dependent on the number of slots requested. In addition, certain League Operators who have requested a slot (or slots), eventually find they can't field the position, so they return their unused slots to the APA to be allotted to those on a waiting list. We are ALWAYS on the waiting list and actually send more teams to Las vegas than originally 'slotted" (the additional number depends each year on the number of 'slots' turned into the APA).

Our 8 team Masters Las Vegas Qualifier tournament sent 4 Masters teams to Las Vegas in 2008!

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$14,000.00+
Tier-2 8-Ball Tri-Annuals:
The goal of each 8-Ball team entering into a Tier-2 Tri-Annual Tournament is to get their team "Upper Level Tournament" experience. We realize that most new teams do not qualify as a Tier-1 team for their 1st few sessions, therefore, the Tier-2 Tri-Annuals have been specifically designed for those teams. While they are gaining "League Play Experience", they can also experience the thrill and the competition of "Upper Level" play.

EVERY TEAM in EVERY Tri-Annual is
GUARANTEED TO CASH!
Since many of our players and teams must travel 50, or more miles and
needed to schedule 2 or more weekends to compete in the Tri-Annual events,
we no longer "play down to a winner".

The Tri-Annuals have been modified to reduce the travel to no more than 2 trips.

In addition, $10,000 has been added to the paybacks.
The new payback schedule is:

1st Place: (4 Teams) $1,000.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
2nd Place: (4 Teams) $500.00
3rd Place: (8 Teams) $300.00
4th - Last Place: $ 200.00

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$3,000.00+
Tier-2 9-Ball Tri-Annuals:
The goal of each 9-Ball team entering into a Tier-2 Tri-Annual Tournament is to get their team "Upper Level Tournament" experience. We realize that most new teams do not qualify as a Tier-1 team for their 1st few sessions, therefore, the Tier-2 Tri-Annuals have been specifically designed for those teams. While they are gaining "League Play Experience", they can also experience the thrill and the competition of "Upper Level" play.

EVERY TEAM in EVERY Tri-Annual is
GUARANTEED TO CASH!
Since many of our players and teams must travel 50, or more miles and
needed to schedule 2 or more weekends to compete in the Tri-Annual events,
we no longer "play down to a winner".

The Tri-Annuals have been modified to reduce the travel to no more than 2 trips.

In addition, $10,000 has been added to the paybacks.
The new payback schedule is:

1st Place: (2 Teams) $600.00 + Individual Trophies & Host Location Banner
2nd Place: (2 Teams) $300.00
3rd Place: (4 Teams) $150.00
4th - Last Place: $ 100.00


Summer Tri-Annual: top 8 teams;
Fall Tri-Annual: top 12 teams
and the
Spring Tri-Annual: top 12 teams.
 
Black Cat 5791...Thanks for detailing the payouts for your APA area. Please understand that your area is not representative for most APA franchisees...most of whom do not have several hundred teams, to fund these kinds of payouts. I believe that your local area is pretty different from the average APA franchise area. I'm not an APA basher. I am a former APA LO. I support all league play (APA, BCAPL, TAP, VNEA, etc). Best of luck in your league area...your players should be grateful for what they have.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Our area DOES have hundreds of teams but most of the money stays with the LOs. No big payouts like that at all.
 
Our area doesn't have nearly as many teams, but we have better payouts than many here report.

Just shows that if the LO in a given area wants to make it a success AND have some payouts at the end of the season, it can be done. Big market or small.

It does suck for those of you with LO's that don't care to make it work like ours, and in MD.
 
BlackCat, I believe I recognize you from the teamapa forums which I was previously a member of. If that is the case, you are refering to Lee Tiani's APA league payouts. Judging by your post, you have been met with considerable success in this league and area. I on the other hand have not. I am responsible for at least 20 teams being formed in the somd area, many of which still play (and therefore put money in the organization.) I have had nothing but unfair treatment and biased decisions go against me from this guy. In fact some of this bias may have benefited you at some point, I dunno. All I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how much he allegedly puts back into pool, he takes far more believe me.
 
IT all depends on how much your LO wants to give back after the APA takes there juice. I know that our LO payed back over $120,000 to there players. But some LOs are just in it for the money and that's why there is so much APA bashing going on. And another thing if you dont like what you are getting back you can always go to another league
 
Scott Lee said:
Black Cat 5791...Thanks for detailing the payouts for your APA area. Please understand that your area is not representative for most APA franchisees...most of whom do not have several hundred teams, to fund these kinds of payouts. I believe that your local area is pretty different from the average APA franchise area. I'm not an APA basher. I am a former APA LO. I support all league play (APA, BCAPL, TAP, VNEA, etc). Best of luck in your league area...your players should be grateful for what they have.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Hey Scott, thanks for the reply. I understand that not all area's are the same. Our area fluctuates from 2nd to 3rd Largest in the Nation I believe with NJ.

However my hope is that our Forum Members will veiw this information in the light that APA is a Business that is started like any other for PROFIT. Some business's are more successful than other's.

We have a Great League Operator, but he didn't get where he is overnight it took time. How much any LO gives back is a matter of preference, but people need to realize that it's choice that is made, not a requirement. Any one that is playing in a League should be doing so because they love the sport that they are playing, and the company that they are able to keep on a weekly basis. I love the game of Pool and, I love Friends I've made over the Last 10 years, without League Play I probally never would have met or had anything to do with alot of the People who are apart of the MD Pool Scene. These are some of the reasons that I support the APA, least of all is the Money I could potentially make. At the end of the day I have great job, a wonderful daughter that loves me, and my health. And, once a week I hangout with my friends and shoot some pool.

Black Cat
 
Doc Holliday said:
BlackCat, I believe I recognize you from the teamapa forums which I was previously a member of. If that is the case, you are refering to Lee Tiani's APA league payouts. Judging by your post, you have been met with considerable success in this league and area. I on the other hand have not. I am responsible for at least 20 teams being formed in the somd area, many of which still play (and therefore put money in the organization.) I have had nothing but unfair treatment and biased decisions go against me from this guy. In fact some of this bias may have benefited you at some point, I dunno. All I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how much he allegedly puts back into pool, he takes far more believe me.
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Hey Doc, thanks for the reply. Not sure what benefits your implying to, I'm just a regular guy playing pool like everyone else. The purpose of my post is to simply bring light to the fact that some decent monies are paid by some LO's possible not all on a local level.

I've never had any bad dealing's with the League or the LO. I've alway's found the Office only a phone call away. Any issue's you have or, may have had should be addressed directly. I'm fairly certain things can be worked out.

Black Cat :cool:
 
Things are worked out, I don't play in his league anymore. I just reread my original post and realized it was a little off topic. I suppose I can agree that there is considerable money going to the players that he wants it to. Ask Lee about the player that won the tri annuals against his puppet teams in spite of overwhelming sandbagging and handicap manipulation by the tournament director (guess who,) only to be dqed at a later date. I still have the 1rst place trophy, but not 1 dollar of the winnings and I've never seen Vegas other than on tv. But I'm done ranting about that, it's good to meet other Md players, if your ever in the southern part of the state hit me up, we have good local tournaments and small time action.
 
labatt ice rod said:
And another thing if you dont like what you are getting back you can always go to another league
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That is the bottom line right there.

Pool leagues are no different than any other entertainment product or service that you buy. If you don't like the product then don't buy it.

Why is pool different than other products out there. How many of us worry about how much the president or local sales guy from Pepsi/Frito Lay makes. How many of us would spend time on a web-site bashing Pepsi if we liked Coke. How many of us spend time bashing McDonalds becuase we may like Burger King better. I am guessing not many.

Why are pool leagues so different. If you don't like the product then don't buy it. But please don't spent time bashing the life (both personal and professional) of the product salesman.

There is simply no need for it.

Play APA/BCA/TAP/ACS/VNEA etc. I really don't care as it is your decision to make. But don't bash the others because you don't like how they are run. Simply vote with your wallet and don't play.

Leagueguy
 
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Doc Holliday said:
BlackCat, I have had nothing but unfair treatment and biased decisions go against me from this guy. In fact some of this bias may have benefited you at some point, I dunno.
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i second this opinion!!!!!!

I personally have been unfairly treated and Black Cat on this forum admitted to that and eluded to the unfair treatment in my thread "APA Warning"""


So, folks be "Warned"""

Kid Dynomite
 
LeagueGuy said:
That is the bottom line right there.

Pool leagues are no different than any other entertainment product or service that you buy. If you don't like the product then don't buy it.

Why is pool different than other products out there. How many of us worry about how much the president or local sales guy from Pepsi/Frito Lay makes. How many of us would spend time on a web-site bashing Pepsi if we liked Coke. How many of us spend time bashing McDonalds becuase we may like Burger King better. I am guessing not many.

Why are pool leagues so different. If you don't like the product then don't buy it. But please don't spent time bashing the life (both personal and professional) of the product salesman.

There is simply no need for it.

Play APA/BCA/TAP/ACS/VNEA etc. I really don't care as it is your decision to make. But don't bash the others because you don't like how they are run. Simply vote with your wallet and don't play.

Leagueguy
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TAP-TAP-TAP
randyg
 
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TAP-TAP-TAP
randyg
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Dudes I don't buy! I haven't since the treatment!!!! So, i have every right to expose the problems I experienced!!!!!!

his original post is more a Public Relations annoucement then any thing else. Lets see Black Cat works for the APA??????? I would say giving the company line more so then anything else. He knows the problems are not make believe!!!!!
 
Kid Dynomite said:
Dudes I don't buy! I haven't since the treatment!!!! So, i have every right to expose the problems I experienced!!!!!!

his original post is more a Public Relations annoucement then any thing else. Lets see Black Cat works for the APA??????? I would say giving the company line more so then anything else. He knows the problems are not make believe!!!!!
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Mike Drop it Already!!!!! I don't work for the APA!!!! I just happen to like playing Pool.....

I have said over and over and over again, that I felt that it was an unfair situation for you as a person to have had to suffered for what the Team you joined had done.

Any Team that does not correctly complete theirr score sheets, or don't keep their finances in order will not receive the bonus point each week.

After the arrears were not paid, and the notes were ignored, (not read) the office took the Teams Points. When this happened it got your whole Teams Attention!!! At which time the arrears were caught up and all Match Points were re-awarded, minus the Bonus Points which the Team Wasn't Due in the First Place for the fact that the paperwork and finances were not kept current per the League By-Laws. These are the same rules that everyone abideds by, why should your Team Have Been Treated any Differently than all the rest of the Teams in the League? As a result of these actions your Team dropped to 3rd Place, and out of contention for upper level play.

I play APA because I like and no other reason. We have alot of the same friends and I really don't want this issue from 2 years ago to make me form an opinion of you that is unwaranted. I told you then I think your a nice person and that it wasn't fair to you to be in that situation. But the problem was a Team Management Issue then and It still is Today.

The purpose of this whole Tread was to answer to other peoples Rant's that playing APA doesn't result in any Money being paid out. Which obviously isn't the case.

Black Cat :cool:
 
Thank you for that response!!! Like the other Gentlemen said he Felt mistreated!!! Well, ME TOO!!!

Regarding the facts!!! You nor the league can say they do not have some responsibility???? To come on here and mislead the readers like this is just NOT Cool!!!!

So, please acknowledge the numerous points I made regarding the FAILURE OF THE LEAGUE in this situation!

*Last season the captain quit!
*Then 3 of the remaining players decided to continue!
*A new captain was picked!
*The new captain was never trained or given a rule book or manual!
*they add a new player to replace the loss of the captain mid season "ME"!
*We play all 10 weeks!
*At week 8 points VANISHED!!
*Week 8 the captain calls about the missing points and pays for last years captain's mistake!
*Week 9 the points are still missing captain thought upon payment there reapplied and calls again!
*Week 10 no points! Talk to Rep and Regional Rep!

*The league has all the members phone numbers and never called!
*The league has all the members email addresses and never emailed!
*The league has all the members’ addresses and never sent a bill!
*The league has reps at the room every week that never spoke to the team!
*The league allowed the team to add a new member despite missing funds!
*The league allowed the team to play week after week paying its weekly dues!

All of these MISTAKES by the league and they want to hold this Years Team responsible for a MISTAKE by LAST YEARS CAPTAIN NO LONGER IN THE LEAGUE AND LEFT THE TEAM!

essentially, the point is the APA gave ZERO NOTICE about the rules!
As far as we know they are making them up as they go! To suite whomever and whatever they want!!!!!!!!!

Kid Dynomite
 
The APA itself doesn't make up rules as they go, but the local operator picks and chooses which rule applies given a certain situation. If you are not one of the chosen teams or players, you will get ruled against 100 percent of the time. Obviously Black Cat is one of Lee's friends or is otherwise in the good of this organization. I can't fault him for singing it's praises. However, for those who had negative experiences I can recommend TAP. I recently started playing this league and it is run by people who actually want to see ALL the players have fun. I actually played in a tournament and won recently and guess what? I got paid. It was the craziest thing, nobody complained or *****ed or found a way to screw me. Amazing.
 
Doc Holliday said:
The APA itself doesn't make up rules as they go, but the local operator picks and chooses which rule applies given a certain situation. If you are not one of the chosen teams or players, you will get ruled against 100 percent of the time. Obviously Black Cat is one of Lee's friends or is otherwise in the good of this organization. I can't fault him for singing it's praises. However, for those who had negative experiences I can recommend TAP. I recently started playing this league and it is run by people who actually want to see ALL the players have fun. I actually played in a tournament and won recently and guess what? I got paid. It was the craziest thing, nobody complained or *****ed or found a way to screw me. Amazing.
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I wonder why the loudspeaker at SBE for the tap players is constantly disqualifying people. I laugh everytime someone recommends tap.
 
our League don.t pay that much either i think they pay top 4 in TriCup but top 6 Qaulifies for June Dis

i like APA

Robley *AZB Horse 2011*
 
Kid Dynomite said:
Thank you for that response!!! Like the other Gentlemen said he Felt mistreated!!! Well, ME TOO!!!

Regarding the facts!!! You nor the league can say they do not have some responsibility???? To come on here and mislead the readers like this is just NOT Cool!!!!

So, please acknowledge the numerous points I made regarding the FAILURE OF THE LEAGUE in this situation!

*Last season the captain quit!
*Then 3 of the remaining players decided to continue!
*A new captain was picked!
*The new captain was never trained or given a rule book or manual!
*they add a new player to replace the loss of the captain mid season "ME"!
*We play all 10 weeks!
*At week 8 points VANISHED!!
*Week 8 the captain calls about the missing points and pays for last years captain's mistake!
*Week 9 the points are still missing captain thought upon payment there reapplied and calls again!
*Week 10 no points! Talk to Rep and Regional Rep!

*The league has all the members phone numbers and never called!
*The league has all the members email addresses and never emailed!
*The league has all the members’ addresses and never sent a bill!
*The league has reps at the room every week that never spoke to the team!
*The league allowed the team to add a new member despite missing funds!
*The league allowed the team to play week after week paying its weekly dues!

All of these MISTAKES by the league and they want to hold this Years Team responsible for a MISTAKE by LAST YEARS CAPTAIN NO LONGER IN THE LEAGUE AND LEFT THE TEAM!

essentially, the point is the APA gave ZERO NOTICE about the rules!
As far as we know they are making them up as they go! To suite whomever and whatever they want!!!!!!!!!

Kid Dynomite
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Maybe you got screwed maybe not, but just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean the APA is bad all over the country. And because you had a bad experience its not cool to try and make everybody think it's bad!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Doc

My situation was unique in the fact that the rules were never published! Like I said NO disclosure! So, they could say the penalty is 2 points and we are still in 1st or they can say its 200 and we are in last!!!

Blackcat was there every week I was and never said a word! WHY????

Its a communication issue for ME! Nothing more nothing less! Also, because its a new captain and the old one left! Isn't this a NEW team with NEW captain. Not, the old team subject to penalities accessed on a captain that is GONE and a team that is dismantled!!!!!

They kept the same name for ease! no other reason. I do not want to languish on this! The Damage is done and far to late to fix.

I just wanted to respond to YOUR comment that the "APA does not make up rules as they go" again I am NO expert! I just know the rules were for some reason not PROVIDED!
 
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