Well, then this must be the reason for the differences in playability between the red circle and measles. Thanks for the info. Why couldn't they just put the dots on the red circle?
I don't have a blue circle lying around, so I can't compare.
Measles Ball. Do you like it?
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I don't have a blue circle lying around, so I can't compare.
Good question!
In the chart they sent me, it said that the Red Circle doesn't come with any set, but rather that the "Aramith Red Logo" is the cue ball that now comes with the Aramith Super Pro set.
Anyone buy a set of Super Pros lately that can confirm this?
They also said that this Red Logo ball uses the same resin as the Blue Circle ball.
I'm only guessing here, but maybe they had some reason to believe that using the Blue Circle resin is better somehow for a pool cue ball. That would make sense I guess since (I believe) the object balls are made from this resin (don't quote me on that
).What I really don't understand is why they use a different resin for Carom.
I wish I had better answers. Maybe I'll send them another email.
They can't be, Joey.
The measles ball that I have doesn't rebound off my garage floor anywhere to the same degree that my Red Circle and Red Aramith Logo balls do. I did multiple drop tests from chest height.
And on top of that, my Measles ball weighs 6 grams less than my other cue balls (mentioned above).
I like the concept of the spots... but Aramith should have used the same phenolic resins and weight as my other two cue balls.
When I first started to play with the measels cueball it was a little distracting. But once I got use to the moving dots, it became less and less anoying. And one thing I like about the cueball is that's alittle heavier and takes more of a stroke. The red circle are like the muecci of cueballs. You can draw like a champion with no stroke.
How do their ages and amounts of use compare? Could the Measles ball more warn out than the others?
IIRC, most people have reported their Measles ball to be easier to follow and harder to draw with, which would be characteristic of a heavier ball. So it's actually good to hear someone reporting it to be lighter. To be fair I think we'd have to compare a large sample of each right out of the package. Unfortunately, not many people would have access to that many new cue balls.
Really? My red circle cue ball came with my super pro set.Good question!
In the chart they sent me, it said that the Red Circle doesn't come with any set, but rather that the "Aramith Red Logo" is the cue ball that now comes with the Aramith Super Pro set.
Anyone buy a set of Super Pros lately that can confirm this?
They also said that this Red Logo ball uses the same resin as the Blue Circle ball.
I'm only guessing here, but maybe they had some reason to believe that using the Blue Circle resin is better somehow for a pool cue ball. That would make sense I guess since (I believe) the object balls are made from this resin (don't quote me on that
What I really don't understand is why they use a different resin for Carom.
I wish I had better answers. Maybe I'll send them another email.
Now, do you know what type of resin is in the object balls (1-15)? If you ever use the OB as the CB, they also definitely feel more sluggish compared to the red circle. But at least for me, the OB still plays a bit more sluggish than the measles ball. Not sure if it's just in my head.
For what its worth.... The measles cue ball does not jump as high, draw,follow, or spin as much as a centennial cue ball or red cirlce. More close to the centennial cue ball than the red circle. In my experiences, the red circle cue ball seems the "lightest" and I am able to jump higher and am able to get more english than most other cue ball out there(I think I have about all of them) and the measles cue ball seems to be "heavier" than any other. Also, the measles cue ball showed significant signs of wear for the time I have had it.
That being said, I use the measles alot when playing to see how true my stroke is/isn't. And then its easier to move the red circle cue ball around when using it.
Just my opinion, and thats all it is, an opinion!
That being said, I use the measles alot when playing to see how true my stroke is/isn't. And then its easier to move the red circle cue ball around when using it.
Just my opinion, and thats all it is, an opinion!
That's what their chart said, but I suppose they could be wrong. I tried looking at some pictures of the set but it's too hard for me to tell which cue ball it is.
I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever seen an "official" statement on that, but I thought it had been said by AZ'ers that it's the same resin as the Blue Circle ball, for whatever that's worth.
I suppose one possibility is that your Measles ball is just a little warn from use (not as much as your red circle), as the object balls should, in theory wear more slowly than your cue ball. Just grasping at straws here.
How do their ages and amounts of use compare? Could the Measles ball more warn out than the others?
IIRC, most people have reported their Measles ball to be easier to follow and harder to draw with, which would be characteristic of a heavier ball. So it's actually good to hear someone reporting it to be lighter. To be fair I think we'd have to compare a large sample of each right out of the package. Unfortunately, not many people would have access to that many new cue balls.
To address your comment... all of my cue balls are essentially new or with VERY little play... and I have a Measles, a Red Logo Super Aramith, a Black Circle and a Red Circle cue ball. The Red Logo and the Red Circle weigh the same as the object balls in my Super Aramith Pro set (168 grams). The Measles and the Black Circle both weigh 6 grams less (162 grams).
And I'll add that a Aramith Red Logo cue ball came with my Super Aramith Pro set... even though I have seen pictures of the Red Circle cue ball with the same set of object balls. Perhaps Aramith switched over at some point in the past... from the Red Circle to the (new) Reg Logo cue ball.
Having both, I choose to play with the Red Circle because of it appearance... more cream-colored by comparison to the whiter Red Logo. Both play the same imo... and both have the same coefficient of restituiton (CoR).
The CoR of the Measles ball that I have is lower... and affects the way that it plays, imo.
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Very interesting. Thanks for your comments. How do the object balls compare CoR-wise?
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It does not weigh the same as the blue circle centennial cueball nor the red circle for that matter.
The red circle is 3 grams lighter then the measle ball and 42 thousands smaller! Hence the action you get from the hotter red circle. The red circle is smaller then the Arimath balls as well. The Blue circle cueball is 2 grams lighter then the measle ball and about the same size most of the time. *sigh* The regular Aramith cueball is the closest thing to the measle ball in weight and size. I used dial calipers on all three cueballs and the Arimath and Centennial balls respectively and used a diamond scale to get the weight.
I weighed three measle balls and all where about the same (within 1gram of eachother) I weighed three blue circle cueballs and all where 2 grams less then the measle ball. The three red circle cueballs all weighed differently but still lighter then the measle ball by 2 to 3 grams.
The dial calipers where used and the red circle is most definitely smaller then the other cueballs and Arimath balls. Compared to the measle ball as mentioned above is up to 42 thousandths smaller!! This is why you can draw, jump, move the red circle around with alot more ease.
They can say these balls all are made with the same criteria all they want... they are full of it! Either the Quality Control Department at these factories (or wherever they make these things) need to be FIRED... or they just dont have any to speak of! Either way the measle ball is heavier and takes more of a stroke to draw, jump, ect ect. I do not like it although I tolerate it.
They bounced just as high as the Red Logo CB and the Red Circle... i.e., they have the same CoR.
The Measles ball that I have seems to be in a class by itself... lower CoR.
Thanks for the interesting information. If what you say is true across the board, then that definitely explains why my red circle plays much more lively than the measles.
But philosophically speaking, I think the CB should have the exact same specs as the object balls. I don't think the CB should be any lighter or smaller than the rest of the balls in the set. Again, philosophically speaking. But it does make the game a bit more enjoyable to have a more lively CB. Similar to using a corked bat in baseball.
I'm crushed!! I just found out that I have no stroke!! That it's a mere false sense of accomplishment due to the use of a red circle cue ball. I don't know what to do now. Maybe I'll go buy a Meucci, so that I can continue my imaginary stroke with other types of cue balls!!
Thanks orangecrush, you sure know how to hurt a guy!!
Just out of curiosity, what did the measle balls weight? I just weighed my measle ball and it came in at 168 grams on one scale and 169 grams on a second scale.
I hate the freakin measle ball, and i cant understand why everybody insists that its the nuts and wants to use it everytime they come over. If leagues or tourneys used it then id understand but not one tourney or league that I know of uses the ball so why does everyone wanna use it.
I'm guessing that most people that insist on it is because they see it being used on t.v. and in big t.v. tournaments. those same people, I'm guessing, haven't had the opportunity to use two different cue balls side by side and compare them.
On a side note, there are FAKE Measles cue balls being sold out there. Supposedly, the ones sold by Saluc(Aramith) are the exact(or REALLY close to) same as thier logo and red circle cue balls. The imitation Measles cue balls are not the same and play heavier and are of different CoR.