Mechanics... Diomond Tables

magnetardo said:
Ed made you well aware of all the problems with the tables. No he didn't have one bad word about Simonis. He was less than thrilled when all the table seams popped and he had the newly recovered tables had to be redone. He was also particularly fond of all the tiger stripes under the rails. But hey don't take my word for it call him as and ask him. He's opening a new hall now, is he having you do his tables??
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Actually, I think Jerimy Chambers is;)
 
magnetardo said:
I know him well enough and I have heard his opinions many times, and yes I was at the seminar one of the days. ;)
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So then, you saw what kind of mad house it was then, so what's your point of bringing this up in this thread?...are you trying to imply that I'm a hack mechanic?...LOL
 
realkingcobra said:
So then, you saw what kind of mad house it was then, so what's your point of bringing this up in this thread?...are you trying to imply that I'm a hack mechanic?...LOL
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I didn't mention you at all you narcacisst. Someone mentioned the seminars and not hearing complaints. Well if you wanna hear conplaints call up Ed Hiller, he has plenty of them. And if you think the place being a "madhouse" is any kind of excuse for the slates popping on almost all the tables well you can answer your own question then.

P.S. baking soda mixed with super glue gives off noxious fumes one of which contains cyanide. Please stop telling people to use it.
 
*pushes the pause button*

*runs to pantry for more chips, stops at fridge for salsa bottle...*

*sits back down and hits play*
 
magnetardo said:
I didn't mention you at all you narcacisst. Someone mentioned the seminars and not hearing complaints. Well if you wanna hear conplaints call up Ed Hiller, he has plenty of them. And if you think the place being a "madhouse" is any kind of excuse for the slates popping on almost all the tables well you can answer your own question then.

P.S. baking soda mixed with super glue gives off noxious fumes one of which contains cyanide. Please stop telling people to use it.
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Gee, wonder which table YOU worked on;)
 
Look everyone....I wish there was someone out there that can out talk the greatest of them all......Glen can turn anything around to make himself look right....I can't do it....just as he won't take the rail challenge....turns into marks a cry baby..

That's how good he is....my hats off to you.....shame you can't play the game...the way you turn everything around on everyone...hell you would have all the money.

I'm totally honest when I say it's a shame that you and I had to come to this....cause together we helped the tables to play great....well 90% you and my small 10%.

Mark Gregory
 
The nitrile groups in CA glue do not break down to produce cyanide gas. The gases that burn our noses are actually CA glue fumes reacting with the water in our nasal passages to polymerize into hardened glue. Thus the discomfort.

The baking soda simply provides a bond or a filler for the CA to attach too.

The cyanide compounds that you need to worry about are those found with a salt, ie Hydrogen or Sodium. Add a little hydrochloric acid and you get cyanide gas. Something that is not possible with CA glue.

I worked with sodium cyanide a lot in my younger days.





magnetardo said:
I didn't mention you at all you narcacisst. Someone mentioned the seminars and not hearing complaints. Well if you wanna hear conplaints call up Ed Hiller, he has plenty of them. And if you think the place being a "madhouse" is any kind of excuse for the slates popping on almost all the tables well you can answer your own question then.

P.S. baking soda mixed with super glue gives off noxious fumes one of which contains cyanide. Please stop telling people to use it.
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perfectpocketz said:
Josh.....first off I never brought you into this....you shouldn't knock old school or I've been doing this for 30 years.....cause your still learning.....and still have a ton more to go.......you have learned from glen....and hes a great mechanic.....but you guys think Glens the super star mechanic.

I am still learning...but that's my point...I'm knocking the guys that aren't still learning because they've been doing just fine doing it the same old way for 30 years and aren't interested in learning anything new. The problem I have is constantly being bashed, whether directly at me or others or just in side comments about Glen's students or minions or whatever. I think Glen is a great mechanic as well, but I've spend enough time seeing those rusty old wheels turning in a hardware store to know that he's still learning too...always trying to find a better way. I admire that. I think I know enough about you and your work to have the same impression about you. You do phenomenal work and I've never heard anyone argue that, and you're still trying to find a better way. Nothing wrong with that...that's what I'm trying to do. All I'm saying is that we're all students...we're all still learning. I don't think being in the game longer or being better at what we do gives you the right to talk negatively about me or anyone else still trying to learn just because of who we're trying to learn from. Glen has done a ton to help me and my technique and I admire and respect him for that. Does he have his faults? Who the hell doesn't? But it's not my place to call him out for them here. That's not what I think this forum is for. What kind of impression are we making for those lurking, researching, trying to learn about our work?

It's a pool table....that's all it is......and how many really care.

I will be the first to tell everyone....no one can do better cloth work than Glen...trust me check my past posts.....I'm not trying to be ugly to anyone....never did I say anything but great things about Glens work...(EVER)

We've been talking about rail work...that don't bring you in to that.....replacing cushions don't make you a rail guy.

I never called myself a rail guy, but I do recalibrations, subrail modifications and extensions, and my customers have been very happy with the work I've done and the way their tables play. I wouldn't say that makes me a rail guy. I DO have a LONG way to go to be at the level some of you other guys are. I'm only using techniques and principles I've been shown, and things I've learned along the way. Mark, I'd LOVE to come spend some time in your shop and gain knowledge from you as well. I'd LOVE to spend some more time hanging out with Bobby and Pat and see how they do things. Everyone has their own perspective and insight to add. Would you prefer to bash me for not being a rail guy, or help me gain the knowledge to become one? I know which perspective Glen had and I'd like to think it was because he saw some amount of pride and desire to be better at what we do that he chose to share some of his knowledge with me.


Sure Glen helped you learn about tables.....that's not rail work that glen and Bobby and I do.

You don't know Glen like you think you do.....forget the ego shit.....none of this is about ego.....you guys are trying to make it out to be that way....to avoid the truth of what it's truly about. (Rails & Cushions)

It's constantly made about ego. Or at least ego gets in the way. You can't come on here and compliment Glen for doing good work, or notice anything positive he does to help others learn without bashing him and talking about how much better you are at certain things. That's fine. He does the same thing. I don't know if it's because you guys think there's not enough room at the top, or you're afraid someone might think someone else is the best or what. It gets old though. I KNOW I'm not the best, nor do I ever have the desire to be. I prefer to learn from the best.

Glen has helped me out in a lot of ways....never would I ever say different...but for the last 4 years with him....everything's his idea.....he did everything first.....he's going to do that next.
You have no idea of how many ideas I brought up to him....only to hear later how he came up with other new idea.
I didn't care....not once....until he put me on speaker and never told me I was on speaker phone.....pretty low thing to do to someone you thought was your friend.

When glen was at my house 3 months ago.....he checked my rail work and said he knew I did that kind of work......but I also showed him how I beef up the centennial and anniversary frames........a week later there's the pics on az with (HIS) new way of doing the frames.

Just gets old.....giving back to the industry is one thing......showing guys to learn cloth work...leveling....how to do table repairs...glue cushions...all that is great to help people with....and I've shown a lot of people.
Guys call me on the phone and tell me they just can't afford me....but could I help them out.....I spend the next hour on the phone giving them step by step on rail work.....trust me....you know nothing about me or who I am.

I have Brian White with me right now teaching him....leveling....cloth.....and rail work.....not only am I paying him well.....he lives in my area.
Don't jump on the Glen band wagon until you know me.... judge me on your own experience around me.
I never heard you ask me about anything...or I would have answer you on any question.

I have judged you based on my own experience with you...the time I've spent on the phone with you, you seem very pleasant, professional and knowledgeable. The work you've posted is absolute top notch and from what I see continues to get even better. BUT neither you nor Glen can stand to see the other guy get credit for doing something great for the industry!

Trust me Glen.....you can do a Diamnod table better than me.....I won't get in to the reason...but you win that one for sure........but if you want to do any Brunswick table.....you got me.....and not just the bed cloth....you put a great act on.....but I've gotten to know you and your work......trust me none of us are as good as we think.......and your not even close.

Mark Gregory

Just like that...every positive is always followed with a negative. But hey, I know for a fact I only see the tip of the iceberg of your working relationship with Glen. I can only hope that all this public clawing and fighting for the top is happening at the same time you're working together behind the scenes to find a better way. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for some of your more productive conversations!
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I'm working on some modern art...

This one is called "cushangle"

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and it proves that I know at least half the alphabet
 
Josh, I wouldn't pay to much attenion to what Mark says, he's just lashing out at me the only way he knows how to, because he thinks I put him on speaker phone so Greg could listen in on our conversation about some Diamond smart tables having some problems in a pool room owned by a friend of his, but he don't understand Greg and Aaron couldn't hear the conversation about what was going on with the tables and why they didn't get fixed so Greg asked me to turn my speaker on so they could join in on the conversation, so I did, and Mark even talked to Greg over my phone. But he thinks I betrayed him in doing that, he'll get over it sooner or later, and some day he'll realize I'd never betray him like that for any reason. Mark is for sure a great table mechanic, and yes he's still learning to do things better all the time, no different than I am. Mark is a very giving person in real life, and has opened up to sharing some of his knowleage to a few other mechanic's on a one on one basis. Mark and I are still friends, and there isn't anything I wouldn't do for Mark if it was in my power to do so, just as I'm sure Mark is the same way when it comes right down to it. Part of what makes a great table mechanic is the ability to come into a situation you've never come across before, like something new...and figure it out, and do what needs to be done...like you've done it a 100 times before, and when you're done...it LOOKS like you've done it a 100 times before, even though it's your first time. Mistakes will be made, I've made them, as well as Mark and everyone else to, the ART in being a great table mechanic is to take that mistake and turn it into a learning lesson, of what NOT to do and not repeat it over and over again, that is how you become better and better at what you do. By the time you get done learning what NOT to do, that only leaves the RIGHT way of doing the job, which becomes the CORRECT way.

Glen
 
Glen and Mark:

Stop this silliness now!

Everyone in the "know" knows Glen is a great traveling mechanic.

And everyone in the "know" knows that Mark is the best when it comes to pure craftsmanship.

You both are great in your respective rights.

I'd like to see you guys patch this up.
 
Glen, I'm not real worried about it. I'm going to continue to do what I do and be proud of it. Well said though on your take on what it means to be a mechanic.

And Hungarian...very well said...I couldn't agree more.
 
realkingcobra said:
What now Mark, I can't play pool?:D That's a real laugh:thumbup:
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Glen, you don't want to go down that road. I beat you three racks straight when my table was done and I'm a C+ at best. I would bet Mark has a few gears that I don't. I think Mark has a valid argument in this thread. Glen tends to tout himself as the be-all/end-all of mechanics, but I for one (my wife makes two) would never let him pull in my driveway again. He did great work, but took twice as long as stated, called me at midnight one night, and was rude to both my wife and I. We catered to his every need and he never once told my wife thank you. Zach, on the other hand, was very respectful and is welcome here anytime (and he did all the work). When Glen pulled out of our driveway my wife said that Glen is never welcome here, and if I need table work done to buy Zach a plane ticket to do it.
 
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Hey, I have a question for all, not about the fued..

Why does Artemis sell K66 profile with fabric on the round sied and K55 profile with the fabric on the flat side?
 
realkingcobra said:
What now Mark, I can't play pool?:D That's a real laugh:thumbup:
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You really are a funny guy......I broke more champions gambling than you shook hands with. Playing 9-ball.....buddy you can pick your favorite color playing me......now that's one you have no chance beating me at. Lmao

But I know your just kidding.....I'm not dead yet......I'm in my prime. Lmao

Mark Gregory
 
Josh....trust me....never once did you cross my mind about Glens students.....for that fact it wasn't intended to hurt anyone......just a dumb way to try and get Glen fired up.
I have no beef with you or any mechanic on AZ or not on AZ.

Just mad at the MAN.......I feel betrayed by him for that stunt on the phone.....if you ever and I have a lot.....have someone on speaker....first thing you say is hey man your on speaker.
Best of luck to you always....this work is hard on everyone......we all know that.

Mark Gregory
 
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