Men vs Women at pool

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Pool is about elevating the game, elevating players and elevating your discipline and skill level.

However today's male pros make it about posturing and wagering, as if it made a difference. Even comparing your F number is becoming a thing. The difference isn't that big.

Effren in the early days can you imagine culture shock?
Today most people speak English. (Its doubtful everyone will be converting to Chinese anytime soon.)

Back then talking wasn't as important, but today's culture ... Billy Thorpe is a victim of cancel culture and the player who was a victim of Billys bad behavior. Well some parts of the story are less important.
 
"Cancel Culture" isn't really a thing. It's certainly not new. Conservatives have been doing it through history with book burnings, record burnings, trying to label certain music as "offensive", using the law to arrest comedians they didn't like such as Lenny Bruce. Remember when they cancelled the Dixie Chicks? Remember when they tried to cancel French Fries?

If cancel culture had an address it would be at the corner of Capitalism Avenue and Freedom of Speech Boulevard.
 
Cuedup said:
Remember when they cancelled the Dixie Chicks?
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Oh you mean that time when the lead singer stopped singing out of her mouth and thought she could get away with alienating her fan base demographic by talking out of her ass...?...lol.

I don't have an opinion about her opinion, but lets not blame others for her not picking her spots a bit better...lol

None of that has anything to do with women in pool anyway.
 
She said something that her fan base, largely conservative, didn't like and they worked to get the group cancelled.

Many of those same people today decry "cancel culture" at every opportunity.

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm simply offering a counterpoint to the oft cited "cancel culture" idiocy. Billy Thorpe a victim of cancel culture? BS.
 
hang-the-9 said:
The amount of time things were male only does not really matter, if a man and a woman are born on the same day, it does not matter that for 2,000 years men hunted before them, the guy does not automatically have a benefit with shooting a bow or a gun or tracking, it's all training during their lifetime.

For the male/female sports, too many require physical ability to be mixed, and those that don't usually the women are the ones looking to break out into their own areas. I don't know of any sport or club now that specifically states "men only", but there are a ton of women only leagues and clubs, events, etc... Women, just like men, prefer to be among people more like them overall and of similar skill. Same reason you don't see APA 5s rushing out to play in Open tournaments, nothing is stopping them aside from their own willingness to do the thing.

As many times as the latest generations say "we are all equal" they still are divided except now by their own choice instead of being forced, the end result is the same though and in fact the whole thing is just turned on it's head where you can't have a male only thing but women only is just dandy.
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It matters when it comes to how we evolve genetically. In other words, previous generations have a genetic effect on current generations. If men and women would've started competing as equals thousands of years ago, with hunting and gathering and sports, etc....men amd women would be more equal today in those same activities.

But I agree with you that a lot of the feminist movement stuff, and the idea of creating equality in general, has become a bit hypocritical and counterproductive. I don't think it's fair to say "we are all equal", but then demand certain advantages or exclusive opportunities for your specific gender or race or whatever. Affirmative action has a way of getting out of control.
 
MattPoland said:
I'm curious if we were to take all the men players in the FargoRate database. Assuming a normal distribution, how many standard deviations out exactly would the FR 800+ players be? Then take all the women players in the database, figure out how long it would take statistically for someone FR 800+ to emerge from a pool that size. Shane Van Boening might be a once in a decade man. Shawna Van Boening might be a once in a couple centuries woman.
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The danger here is thinking the nice clean normal distribution of males in FargoRate we get has any fundamental meaning in terms of some sort of fundamental distribution of potential. I think we are far enough away from tapping population potential that what we observe is dominated by other things.
 
mikepage said:
The danger here is thinking the nice clean normal distribution of males in FargoRate we get has any fundamental meaning in terms of some sort of fundamental distribution of potential. I think we are far enough away from tapping population potential that what we observe is dominated by other things.
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Fair enough. I can understand a hesitance to overreach on limited data and risk jumping to conclusions.

But I do think that kind of analysis would still be interesting. I don't think it would say anything about the potential of a population if applied to the biological discussion. I assume it could give a ballpark on the potential of the population in consideration of the sociological factors which I imagine play into the "other things" that dominate the observed data.

Then again, I imagine adoption of FargoRate (as successful and growing as it is) is actually in its infancy if we look back on it a decade from now. So I do get that the data we have now probably wouldn't give findings in the ballpark of reality.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Well? I'll believe it when I see it. You can get cues down to 14 ounces, yet no woman can break like this as far as I know.
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Not many players can, regardless of body build or sexual orientation.

I remember a skinny kid at SBE one year broke at 24 or 25 mph to win a cue or some other prize. My buddy, a big dude, had the top speed at 23 until this kid out stroked him. No reason to believe a woman couldn't do the same thing. Hell, knowing today's society, that kid might've been a woman. Lol
 
I don't know which female player has the best 10 ball break right now, but I'm pretty sure you can take the top 5 female breakers in the world and I can get 5 players from my club or any highly competitive club in Europe with 50 or more members, who can match or better their breaks. My break sucks, btw, in case anyone thinks I'm bragging or something, but I have players in my club who routinely make 2-3 balls on their 10-ball break with power and control. I don't know what exact factor it is, twitch muscle fibres, strength, determination or whatever, but females don't break as well as the best males. I'm not against women or womens pool or anything like that, but I don't like bullshit for the sake of being politically correct.
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9 ball..And not even close to the same power. Larry Nevels break sounds like a gun shot, it actually hurts your ears. Also in the Nevel video there was no template, but the balls flew apart like there was, which is tricky to do. It's quite deceptive when you compare to "loaded" template racks. Even a "tapped table" does not "load" the balls the way a magic rack does. We had a breaker in my country who used to break just a notch below Nevel, and the sound would actually shark and startle people during tournaments. By comparison her break sounds like a mouse farting in a snowstorm. I've seen her 10 ball break, it's competent, but in the pro pool world it's nothing to rave about. It is passable at best. Fortunately she has tremendous playing ability and mostly plays 9 ball, which sort of equalizes this handicap. When the IPT was a thing, you could really see how much less power the women possessed as compared to men in 8 ball. It was pretty revealing. Fortunately for women, the trend is faster and faster tables and mostly 9 ball which more or less takes the power break out of the equation.
 
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MattPoland said:
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Donny Mills: “You out broke me. I thought I was going to out break her. It’s ironic.”
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Isn't he the soft break pattern rack guy? Anyway his break certainly isn't very powerful by pro standards.

Also she outplayed him. She was just a better player overall, IMO and mr. Mills cannot blame her break for his defeat.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Isn't he the soft break pattern rack guy? Anyway his break certainly isn't very powerful by pro standards.

Also she outplayed him. She was just a better player overall, IMO and mr. Mills cannot blame her break for his defeat.
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He was from that era but the soft break era is over and even Corey Deuel has to hit them harder today. By pro standards, only Jeff DeLuna had a very powerful break. Even SVB isn’t crushing the break. He does generate an impressive amount of power but it’s his efficiency and timing that get the result to spread the rack in the right kind of way. The old school Bustamante breaks are a bygone era. Especially with fast cloth and template racks. It’s like we are living in 2021 and trying to have a discussion by 1980 standards. I’ve seen enough to say I’m convinced she breaks better than your hypothetical buddy at the club. She played SVB a few races to 13. She won one of the sets and the others were close. That doesn’t happen with a namby pamby break because SVB would have eaten her alive otherwise.
 
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