Men vs Women

Literally all of your data shows a huge difference between men and women. As does science in general. The fact that you want to pretend not to understand the reasons for the numbers does not change the numbers. I pity your wife or daughter if you actually have either.
I have faith in math. Results are fact and not subjective at all. However, although statistics are math driven the results usually suffer from parrallax error
 
I've known Jean well for decades and also knew both her parents.

Yes, there's a little room for interpretation, but those of us who know her and were around back then understand that Jean was ready to call it a career in pool. I'm not going to read the attached thread, but the truth is that the Robin Bell incident for which she was fined was merely the straw that broke the camel's back. Jean was going to leave the game soon with or without that incident.

Since you seem to care about the history, don't overlook that Jean was already doing pool exhibitions as early as the age of six and was competing by the age of twelve, so her retirement at twenty-nine was not as "early" as it might appear. She had no worlds left to conquer in pool and she was a world class athlete, among other things a world class basketball player. I've played golf with Jean and she could hit it over 300 yards off the tee. At the bowling alley, her average was over 190. Jean wanted to play all the sports, and she got to live that dream.

The great mystery is that, just like Jean, Mike Sigel gave up full participation on the pro billiards tour after the 1992 season at the age of thirty-nine, considered by many the best ever pro player. Like Jean, he was best in the world at the moment he gave up full time competition. Known for his 100-hour weeks of practice he, similarly, had few worlds left to conquer in pool and he quickly walked away and became a successful cue-maker.

Sometimes, even the greatest at pool burn out early. Many have suggested that it is already beginning to happen to the 40-year-old all-time-great Shane Van Boening. Exactly how the minds of the greatest champions work will always baffle us to a point, but good for you that you care about pool history and like to explore these matters.
Seems to apply re: most ‘performance’ oriented endeavors (sports, music, etc.). It requires so much effort/dedication to be the best, few can keep it up forever. As youthful enthusiasm fades and rewards diminish, even the ‘born naturals’ tend to move on to other pursuits.
 
Female America pro pool players, who would it be a good career for ?

Most women players move on to own a room, manage the sport or maintain celebrity status.

Jeanette being the most lasting in the mainstream role.

Now that other countries have their own broadcast networks and sports organizations, they might decide billiards is worth another go. WPA follows the rules in countries following a different governance flavor.

Jpop and Kpop do comedy skits and if they think billiards is worth promoting again, they put it through the propaganda machine. Its a good chance billiards is perfect for the Asian body type.

Who are could be the next billiard superstars in Asia?
 
It’s amazing that this used to be a topic every other month 10, 15, and 20 years ago. Now with the recent walkout of a player due to having to play a transgender woman, can we revisit the age-old debate? If there is “no physical reason that a man would have an inherent advantage in pool,” then a transgender woman in a women’s division shouldn't matter. If it does matter, then we revisit the age old debate.

I just read a post from a woman about the unfairness of the transgender women’s participation and hints that there may be subtle physical attributes that we don’t consider that gives a biological advantage. It’s not a coincidence that I made this same argument 25 years ago when there was no transgender participation controversy and got a squashing. But now we have people suggesting to use Fedex like it was never mentioned before.

Freddie <~~~ obscurely referencing
The only difference between man and woman is men have better 3D spacial recognition because we were hunters in the tribe
 
It’s amazing that this used to be a topic every other month 10, 15, and 20 years ago. Now with the recent walkout of a player due to having to play a transgender woman, can we revisit the age-old debate? If there is “no physical reason that a man would have an inherent advantage in pool,” then a transgender woman in a women’s division shouldn't matter. If it does matter, then we revisit the age old debate.

I just read a post from a woman about the unfairness of the transgender women’s participation and hints that there may be subtle physical attributes that we don’t consider that gives a biological advantage. It’s not a coincidence that I made this same argument 25 years ago when there was no transgender participation controversy and got a squashing. But now we have people suggesting to use Fedex like it was never mentioned before.

Freddie <~~~ obscurely referencing

At the core of it, the dividing line is skill not gender. To use a single example, if a woman is good enough to play in the NBA, she would be playing in the NBA. The separate women sports and activities are done for the skill gap in 90% of cases and maybe 10% because the women want to hang out with other women, if we are being truthful and honest to the real reasons. For sports like pool, chess, etc.. that don't need much, or any, physical power, if there is a women division then it was done to keep the skill gap closer and it should be respected as such. It's not like they are tracking women and saying women are worse, they are tracking skill and that shows that women are worse by the data. Dividing things by male and female is just a simplified way of separating the skills with easy to judge characteristics instead of having to test every individual rigorously. If the facts show that transgender athletes are no more capable than the average birth sex athlete that is one thing, however there are reports from all sports that show soon as a male enters a female division in a sport they dominate. That is the core issue, not if a guy wants to wear a dress and call himself Martha. A person playing outside of their sex and being on the top of the field is not much different than if a sandbagger that hid their skill did it.
 
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The only difference between man and woman is men have better 3D spacial recognition because we were hunters in the tribe
Whatever you say:ROFLMAO:

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What if women are really better than men, but they don't play that way, otherwise they would have to do the work?

This situation happens in more places than pool, a woman acts less skillful than she is to make other people do the work.
 
I've known Jean well for decades and also knew both her parents.

Yes, there's a little room for interpretation, but those of us who know her and were around back then understand that Jean was ready to call it a career in pool. I'm not going to read the attached thread, but the truth is that the Robin Bell incident for which she was fined was merely the straw that broke the camel's back. Jean was going to leave the game soon with or without that incident.

Since you seem to care about the history, don't overlook that Jean was already doing pool exhibitions as early as the age of six and was competing by the age of twelve, so her retirement at twenty-nine was not as "early" as it might appear. She had no worlds left to conquer in pool and she was a world class athlete, among other things a world class basketball player. I've played golf with Jean and she could hit it over 300 yards off the tee. At the bowling alley, her average was over 190. Jean wanted to play all the sports, and she got to live that dream.

The great mystery is that, just like Jean, Mike Sigel gave up full participation on the pro billiards tour after the 1992 season at the age of thirty-nine, considered by many the best ever pro player. Like Jean, he was best in the world at the moment he gave up full time competition. Known for his 100-hour weeks of practice he, similarly, had few worlds left to conquer in pool and he quickly walked away and became a successful cue-maker.

Sometimes, even the greatest at pool burn out early. Many have suggested that it is already beginning to happen to the 40-year-old all-time-great Shane Van Boening. Exactly how the minds of the greatest champions work will always baffle us to a point, but good for you that you care about pool history and like to explore these matters.
Do you think if Allison Fisher made the transition to pool a bit earlier it may have changed Jean’a mind? Maybe a new challenge? Or perhaps not because she probably could have jumped back in at any time during Fishers early years.
 
Do you think if Allison Fisher made the transition to pool a bit earlier it may have changed Jean’a mind? Maybe a new challenge? Or perhaps not because she probably could have jumped back in at any time during Fishers early years.
This is, of course, pure speculation but my sense of things is that Jean still wouldn't have come back. She had moved on. Pool, for Jean, was at most a hobby and probably less.
 
What if women are really better than men, but they don't play that way, otherwise they would have to do the work?

This situation happens in more places than pool, a woman acts less skillful than she is to make other people do the work.
Your next invention should be an off button that people can hit that keeps you from embarrassing yourself
 
What if women are really better than men, but they don't play that way, otherwise they would have to do the work?

This situation happens in more places than pool, a woman acts less skillful than she is to make other people do the work.
Also, girls are traditionally conditioned to avoid embarrassing men (by suppressing superior intelligence/skills), the assumption being that the majority of males want to play a dominant role in matrimony.
 
Also, girls are traditionally conditioned to avoid embarrassing men (by suppressing superior intelligence/skills), the assumption being that the majority of males want to play a dominant role in matrimony.

Historically when men are sent to war it shows how much more valuable the life of a woman is than a man. Men are disposable, women not as much. Women are historically written about as political prisoners, like Helen of Troy.

If I were a futurist a strong economy or sport
is built on having women participation in all areas. Pool has been more successful since the separation of men and women.

Now if the men had listened to Emily sooner, MR could have had more pressure against the WPA by proving their case with evidence.

My question is should the men support the womens tour more. Now that power couples exist, is their room for men/women development.

There are a lot of countries where education about relationships and marriage suffer disinformation. Pool superstars are living stories worth talking and writing about.

Imagine Tyler and Marge talking about differences in food culture. That is WPA approved messaging.
 
Now if the men had listened to Emily sooner, MR could have had more pressure against the WPA by proving their case with evidence.
I can't even come up with a theory on what this might mean.

How did they defy Emily and to what case do you refer? Matchroom seceded from WPA, and the players were not at the root of that business decision.
 
I can't even come up with a theory on what this might mean.

How did they defy Emily and to what case do you refer? Matchroom seceded from WPA, and the players were not at the root of that business decision.
Stu, trying to de-ciper his psycho-babble is probably not a wise choice. Riding a pogo-stick('member those??) in a minfield is probably a safer choice. ;)
 
I can't even come up with a theory on what this might mean.

How did they defy Emily and to what case do you refer? Matchroom seceded from WPA, and the players were not at the root of that business decision.

Emily has always been forward about getting players feedback. It was clear before the WPA/MR break that Emily was rallying players into her organization.

Emily's leadership style is a strong departure from the Draconian policies of the WPA and hypocrisy of nineball and heyball decisions.

Players are always able to provide input to MR and it seems policies get corrected. However WPA President Singh issues commands as opposed to support players.

Players have options and if they only know federation play, it could take some convincing to convert them to MR play.

Players just have to open up to Emily. It happens in organizational meetings often, a woman starts a new direction and everyone drags their feet until their job or product is on the line.

SVB is setting the tone. His public support is the beginning of the Matchroom shift.
 
Emily has always been forward about getting players feedback. It was clear before the WPA/MR break that Emily was rallying players into her organization.

Emily's leadership style is a strong departure from the Draconian policies of the WPA and hypocrisy of nineball and heyball decisions.

Players are always able to provide input to MR and it seems policies get corrected. However WPA President Singh issues commands as opposed to support players.

Players have options and if they only know federation play, it could take some convincing to convert them to MR play.

Players just have to open up to Emily. It happens in organizational meetings often, a woman starts a new direction and everyone drags their feet until their job or product is on the line.

SVB is setting the tone. His public support is the beginning of the Matchroom shift.
Draconian huh? As in, most transgressions, whether major or minor, are punishable by death? I almost wish you were right and not just some crazy person trying to sound intelligent. That'd be pretty sweet to watch. Like a combination of 9 ball and squid games. Gruesome, yes, but I bet nobody would be touching balls while the cue ball is rolling if the penalty was administered by sniper rifle.
 
Draconian huh? As in, most transgressions, whether major or minor, are punishable by death? I almost wish you were right and not just some crazy person trying to sound intelligent. That'd be pretty sweet to watch. Like a combination of 9 ball and squid games. Gruesome, yes, but I bet nobody would be touching balls while the cue ball is rolling if the penalty was administered by sniper rifle.

All punishments are worthy of a ban at a minimum as well as fines.

As for policing the events, I am pro technology. Everyone should know which refs have a bad reputation. A ref should be held accountable the same way players are identified as the person at fault.

Same goes for tournament promoters that pay late.

Assuming refs are neutral is commie garbage. Assuming federation promoters care about players, its a reality most maintain but few personally believe. Its a recurring theme of repression in favor of the federation.
 
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