Sounds like short-term pain at worst. What a great opportunity for somebody. How could you lose with no competition, low cost of living and a large university in town? Plus no smoking? CoMo's a nice place ... good riddance to that whiner.
Mid-Mo Pool Scene Takes a Hit
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bomber said:
In other words, epidemilogical (sp?) studies...NOT hard scientific proof, which is more difficult to obtain, and also often as wrong. I'd like to add that I've probably never made an intelligent conclusion in my life, though I have been involved in scientific studies...
I love how people work under the assumption that there will always be pool halls around. If one closes, another will open.
This is not the most attractive business to be in any more. Right now, running a pool hall is about as much fun as playing alone in your basement.
DRawls
This is not the most attractive business to be in any more. Right now, running a pool hall is about as much fun as playing alone in your basement.
DRawls
well that just plain sucks...
All of those pool halls are very nice, as they actually keep their tables clean, and have a good environment for serious play. While at the same time keeping it fun.
I haven't been to a pool hall in St. Louis yet that has as nice of tables as those establishments.
Where are the nice places in St. Louis?
All of those pool halls are very nice, as they actually keep their tables clean, and have a good environment for serious play. While at the same time keeping it fun.
I haven't been to a pool hall in St. Louis yet that has as nice of tables as those establishments.
Where are the nice places in St. Louis?
I really hope that it isn't true. The state tournaments were awesome. First, they were played on the big track. Second, they were a round robin format to qualify. The semi's were round robin with the finals a double elimination format. A ton of pool no matter how you finished. If it is true Aaron, tell Phil thanks for all of the memories and support of the game.
Darryl Smith
Darryl Smith
While I did not get to speak to Phil last night, I was able to confirm that the pool halls are closing. The employees have been told to find other employment, and the pool halls' hours have been cut in half. It is really happening, and it really sucks. Who knows, though, maybe something better will come along to replace them.
Aaron
Aaron
Our state enacted the ban a few years ago. The local pool halls continue to do good business- people just step outside. They have to go down or up a flight of stairs to do it and at first there was grousing, but now everyone's used to it.
Smoke used to make my eyes water and occasionally it would set me to sneezing. You can't shoot serious pool that way. I know that's not how it affects everyone, but if your house and other regular hangouts are smoke free, the smoke at the pool hall hits you twice as hard.
I think this actually DOES fall under 'promoting the general welfare' pretty clearly. When your right to smoke infringes on my right to breathe comfortably, your right to smoke is gonna have to get adjusted. No offense
All that being said I think it's a damn shame those pool halls are closing. I'd rather keep them open and smoky than closed and smoke-free.
Smoke used to make my eyes water and occasionally it would set me to sneezing. You can't shoot serious pool that way. I know that's not how it affects everyone, but if your house and other regular hangouts are smoke free, the smoke at the pool hall hits you twice as hard.
I think this actually DOES fall under 'promoting the general welfare' pretty clearly. When your right to smoke infringes on my right to breathe comfortably, your right to smoke is gonna have to get adjusted. No offense
All that being said I think it's a damn shame those pool halls are closing. I'd rather keep them open and smoky than closed and smoke-free.
close them all
Since the government is apparently supposed to treat the people like sheep and taking care of us by promoting public welfare I guess we should just close all the pool halls as no really productive things occur when people are just hanging out and playing games, they could be working or at home taking care of their families. Why don't we just let the owners of these businesses make their own decisions as to how to run their businesses and the market will decide. If it's a smoking business and you don't smoke GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. And if it's a non-smoking business either abide by the rules or go somewhere else. After all it's his/her property and investment. The world doesn't revolve you.
Since the government is apparently supposed to treat the people like sheep and taking care of us by promoting public welfare I guess we should just close all the pool halls as no really productive things occur when people are just hanging out and playing games, they could be working or at home taking care of their families. Why don't we just let the owners of these businesses make their own decisions as to how to run their businesses and the market will decide. If it's a smoking business and you don't smoke GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. And if it's a non-smoking business either abide by the rules or go somewhere else. After all it's his/her property and investment. The world doesn't revolve you.
One theme that seems to be consistent with smokers is that they don't care about the welfare or happiness of non-smokers. A smoker feels that any non-smoker should be either willing to risk personal health by breathing second hand smoke or just stay home and miss the enjoyment of playing pool in public. The smoker is happy to spread the cancer around (1 in 6 smokers will develop lung cancer). This lack of respect for others is not surprising. After all, what can be expected from somebody who has so little self-respect ? Smoking is a form of slow suicide, and suicide is the most sincere expression of low self-respect. I wonder if anybody has examined the frequency of other self-destructive behaviors in the smoking population, like speeding, eating poorly, etc. A correlation would not be surprising.
yeah, I don't see this as a few evil government people enacting laws that go against what a majority of the people want. I think these laws are happening because more people want it this way. I'm sure the elected officials don't really care about the 'morality' of smoking and probably many of them smoke too.
It's easy to say "just go somewhere else if you don't like the smoke at the pool hall". It's equally easy for me to say "go somewhere else if you don't like dealing with a smoke free pool hall."
It's easy to say "just go somewhere else if you don't like the smoke at the pool hall". It's equally easy for me to say "go somewhere else if you don't like dealing with a smoke free pool hall."
I agree
Here in Chattanooga there is a nice smoke free pool room which I don't go to because I do smoke cigars. But you don't here me crying they need to be forced to change I just go to another smoker friendly room and enjoy myself. And I wish great success to both places. I don't expect the world to please me at the expense of others. By the way the others I speak of are not the smokers but the business owners who should have the right of choice to decide which kind of business to operate.
Here in Chattanooga there is a nice smoke free pool room which I don't go to because I do smoke cigars. But you don't here me crying they need to be forced to change I just go to another smoker friendly room and enjoy myself. And I wish great success to both places. I don't expect the world to please me at the expense of others. By the way the others I speak of are not the smokers but the business owners who should have the right of choice to decide which kind of business to operate.
You have the luxury of a choice though, but there are plenty of people in situations where all the nearby pool halls are not smoke-free. They don't get to pick and choose where to play as you do. What do you say to those people? "Tough crap?" "Quit pool?" "Drive 50 miles?" "Buy your own table?" "Open your own smoke-free pool hall?"
You talk about how you don't expect the world to bend over backwards for your preferences, but what's a better example of bending over backwards?
A. Nonsmokers are forced to travel to an entirely different pool hall to avoid smoke
or
B. Smokers are forced to travel a few feet to the outside of the building to light up?
You talk about how you don't expect the world to bend over backwards for your preferences, but what's a better example of bending over backwards?
A. Nonsmokers are forced to travel to an entirely different pool hall to avoid smoke
or
B. Smokers are forced to travel a few feet to the outside of the building to light up?
CreeDo said:
Yes, that's EXACTLY what spktur would say.... In general, I find that of the people who complain about "business owner rights" to run their business how they want are 90% smokers.
And most of them can't get their head around the fact that quite a few people can't play pool in their own home towns because of all smokers contaminating the air inside ALL the local pool halls. All just because smokers have SO MUCH TROUBLE stepping 5 feet out the door.
And my god, how they cry when the government finally gets around to forcing them to do what they SHOULD have been doing all along out of respect for their fellow man.
Russ