Mike LeBron betting scandal?

I don't idolize ANY pool player...in the world...living or dead.

They made a few balls more than most people...SO WHAT?

That is why I don't care who wins ANY pool game...unless I'm the one playing it.

People who bet on the players in this pool tournament were idiots.

I can count on my fingers the number of times I've bet on other pool matches in my life.

The only pool player I trust 100% is ME.

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I had a nice conversation with the director of sports for Boyd Gaming last year. He is fully aware of the challenge of champions fiasco and even so, they are discussing bringing back wagering on pool in the future so it is not out of the question. He is also aware of what Matchroom is bringing to pool in the US and specifically Vega$.

They allowed gambling on the Golden Tee (golf arcade video game) I am involved in and Boyd was very happy with the action they received on the event. I had input in setting the odds and the casino actually made the opening lines much looser than was suggested based on other data that was provided to them.
 
If you're going to call these guys out on cheating, then what about the ones who are in the HOF who spent their entire careers competing under the influence of drugs that gave them courage and stamina? As I think of who they are, I bet they would've fallen apart without thier little helpers. Yet we idolize them.

There not many players in the HOF, are you inferring that to be a great player, drugs can help you get there?
 
I have to say I am skeptical of the Mario He scenario for the reason that he just accepted the charge, didn't fight it and wants it to go away. So why does that make me skeptical? Because maybe what he says he tested for isn't what he actually tested for. IF I was taking a blood pressure medication and I slipped and took the extra or plus version of it and got popped for that and lost my Mosconi slot, meaning ten grand possibly 20, you better bet I'm contesting it. Now if I got popped for something else and I didn't want that to get out or the stigma then hell yes I will do what I can to make it go away quick.

Can I be wrong on this? Absolutely. I just can't shake the feeling I get from his super quick I'm guilty now go away response.

And I think he is an awesome player.
 
There not many players in the HOF, are you inferring that to be a great player, drugs can help you get there?

Speakers in my and listeners infer. I lernt that night here on azb.

And she said it, did not she? No inferration or implication.
 
I think that more players are NOT in the Hall of Fame because of drugs than there are in the HOF because of drugs.

Damn, man. Did you stay in a holiday inn Express, or what?!

You gotta lotta good shit coming out of you today.
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I have to say I am skeptical of the Mario He scenario for the reason that he just accepted the charge, didn't fight it and wants it to go away. So why does that make me skeptical? Because maybe what he says he tested for isn't what he actually tested for. IF I was taking a blood pressure medication and I slipped and took the extra or plus version of it and got popped for that and lost my Mosconi slot, meaning ten grand possibly 20, you better bet I'm contesting it. Now if I got popped for something else and I didn't want that to get out or the stigma then hell yes I will do what I can to make it go away quick.

Can I be wrong on this? Absolutely. I just can't shake the feeling I get from his super quick I'm guilty now go away response.

And I think he is an awesome player.
Sometimes, the juice ain't worth the squeeze, ya know?
 
If you're going to call these guys out on cheating, then what about the ones who are in the HOF who spent their entire careers competing under the influence of drugs that gave them courage and stamina? As I think of who they are, I bet they would've fallen apart without thier little helpers. Yet we idolize them.

What was that?
Should we also go after those who shark, throw tantrums, negative handshakes ? :grin:
 
There has been a lot of discussion on this throughout the years...here's my $0.02

I believe Buddy dumped.

Why?

If you've ever watched Buddy play enough and in person, you'll know very well what his reactions to missing or playing bad is. There's this undeniable, genuine, deep look of disgust on his face when he messes up - let alone dog a ball that bad. You can see the muscles in his face and the expression he makes which is involuntary and completely natural. The look of disgust. His reactions in the CoC were theatrical and unnatural compared to his normal self.

He even has disgust on his face for playing a bad positional route or mediocre safety.

Buddy has super high standards for himself and his game. And it shows by his reactions as he plays.

He would also have a different look on his face after losing a shot at $50K ...He didn't seem too upset. He actually looked somewhat relieved (implying he's happy Lebron got out). If Lebron botched the out...Buddy would then be under tremendous pressure to choke another shot and the more this happens, the more the attention this brings. Based on what already had happened - you can see that it gained enough attention and suspicion already.


This is without analyzing any of the shots...but if we must go there --

He played those routes that nearly scratched at least twice. He was aiming for scratch. Buddy is one of the best line/angle position players in history. When Buddy scratches, which is rare, it's due to a desperate situation playing a risky position route and a result of missing speed control. NOT getting the wrong angle off the cushion heading straight for pockets....

These shots he made were not scratch risks in the slightest, but he made them so...

The miss on the 8-ball....pretty obvious. You can tell it did NOT skid...which is what apologists will claim. Could it have been a ton of throw on the OB? Sure...but you do know Buddy knows how to aim a shot. Even if he aimed wrong due to stress or what not....explain the shape?

The key on that one is where the CB ended up. No shape on the 9. That was blatant. This was not a professional's miss. That shot looked like some APA SL3.

Then...there's the 8 to the 9 combo. That was awful. He is a favorite to make that ball the majority of the time, if he does not make it - you would expect the 9 ball to rattle or catch a point. It missed by half a diamond. Also, Buddy does not hit combos with that low of speed, especially on the 9.

There you have it.

Factor in the odds on Lebron...it doesn't take a genius. But as always, there's always people who see it differently. These are people who get suckered in life. They are oblivious to how the world really works.
 
Earl was not one of the 8 players that year (1991). Hopkins was, and you have said in the past that he was not one of the dumpers: https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4742695&postcount=254

Thanks for jogging my memory. I knew that one of them did play and did not participate in the "deal." Allen was a close friend of the promoter Matt Braun, so I'm not surprised he chose not to go along with anything shady in Matt's event.

I believe that the following year Earl did play and made it known that he would not be part of any deal making. There may have been a discussion regarding making savers, as there was no betting line in year two. In the pre-tournament player's meeting that year Matt Braun made it clear that if ANYTHING funny happened, that no one would get paid! I think he even made them sign some sort of agreement that there would be no savers or any other splitting of the first place money. Each player had his room comped and was paid $2,500 appearance money.
 
... I believe that the following year Earl did play ...

Yes.

1992: Archer, Davenport, Hopkins, Lebron, Rempe, Strickland, Varner, and Hall (event winner over Archer).

1993: Archer, Davenport, Hall, Rempe, Sigel, Strickland, Varner, and Hopkins (event winner over Rempe).

1994: Archer, Ellen, Hopkins, Martinez, Sigel, Strickland, Wiley, and Varner (event winner over Ellen).
 
Yes.

1992: Archer, Davenport, Hopkins, Lebron, Rempe, Strickland, Varner, and Hall (event winner over Archer).

1993: Archer, Davenport, Hall, Rempe, Sigel, Strickland, Varner, and Hopkins (event winner over Rempe).

1994: Archer, Ellen, Hopkins, Martinez, Sigel, Strickland, Wiley, and Varner (event winner over Ellen).

I directed the first three and then came back in the late 90's and did a couple more.
 
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