Yeah - it will draw good attention to non pool players too, the men v/s women.
Mike the Mouth v/s Women
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I'm almost certain that women can play in the US Open if they want to. Barry Berhman says his tournament is open to anyone with the $500 entry fee who feels they can compete with the best players in the world!Nostroke said:
I like Allison Fisher and Karen Corr, but to think they could go through the field at the US Open and win that tournament would be asking a lot. Sure they can win a single match against a top male 9 ball player, but it's a different story when you have to play top male players in every match you play at the US Open. Some of the best male players have never won the US Open in their whole career (Jim Rempe & Shannon Daulton come to mind) and they are GREAT players.
SCCues
Again - asking anyone to win the open is asking a lot. If for instance Allison were in it next year do I think she would win. I would not put any money on it. Could she win, yes. There are many people I thought were going to win and didnt. I figured Deuel to win the year Gabe did. Its like a live wire with nothing that can be predicted. Never say never.
The Kiss said:
You are totally 100% correct about this. 8 ball is a joke of a game compared to nine ball, one pocket or straight pool and the fact that the IPT plays it is the only reason why you will see upsets like Corr over Archer or Neils. Hell, an APA 7 might win the odd match against a pro playing 8 ball.
Real pool is ahead sets of nine ball or one pocket, or at least long races. Sadly you will never see either in a tournament, which is why the tournament game gets so little respect amongst those who truly know the game.
StraightPoolIU said:
Well, the IPT promotion strategy has the die-hard pool folks here on a pool forum all stirred up ... but I wouldn't think that is too hard ... there's been controversy and people taking sides on this and other boards forever, and over things a lot smaller than the IPT and the worlds greatest players. In other words, I don't think that pools fan base has expanded (yet?!?).
Dave
GROMULAN -
im not bein $hitty here but thats what I mean. No matter how well a top woman plays I dont believe they would ever gain your respect as a world class player because there is always a way to say .. its not real pool .. or it was all luck .. or .. she culd never do it again. Oh well .. its just an opinion. Ive said it before and do agree with you that I dont think they could swing it in a big game of playing ahead 11 9 ball, BUT I could be wrong. Who knows , no one will ever know who is really better ... my whole point on this was not M v/s W ... it was that Allison Fisher or Karen can beat Mike Sigel.. Period
im not bein $hitty here but thats what I mean. No matter how well a top woman plays I dont believe they would ever gain your respect as a world class player because there is always a way to say .. its not real pool .. or it was all luck .. or .. she culd never do it again. Oh well .. its just an opinion. Ive said it before and do agree with you that I dont think they could swing it in a big game of playing ahead 11 9 ball, BUT I could be wrong. Who knows , no one will ever know who is really better ... my whole point on this was not M v/s W ... it was that Allison Fisher or Karen can beat Mike Sigel.. Period
As much as I hate Sigel as a person, I still have to respect him as a player. Having watched him this weekend, I don't think Jasmin or Jeanette would stand a chance against him in a long set. Fisher/Corr I don't know about (only that they probably don't play 14.1 as good as Jamin or Jeanette, but pocket balls cleaner). However, a few observations about Sigel:
1. He did manage a 125-ball run in the tournament. Jeanette didn't break half that, and Jasmin's was only 85. Respectable, certainly, but not quite 125.
2. Sigel and Jeanette Lee played each other in the round robin format. Sigel won.
So yes, while he did place below them I don't think it necessarily means they're better players. First, he lost to Harriman to get on the one-loss side. Harriman ran a 100+ run on Sigel. The be eliminated, he drew Immonen who went on to place 4th in the event. Sigel ran into quite a tough draw in those two opponents.
-S. (just playing devil's advocate)
1. He did manage a 125-ball run in the tournament. Jeanette didn't break half that, and Jasmin's was only 85. Respectable, certainly, but not quite 125.
2. Sigel and Jeanette Lee played each other in the round robin format. Sigel won.
So yes, while he did place below them I don't think it necessarily means they're better players. First, he lost to Harriman to get on the one-loss side. Harriman ran a 100+ run on Sigel. The be eliminated, he drew Immonen who went on to place 4th in the event. Sigel ran into quite a tough draw in those two opponents.
-S. (just playing devil's advocate)
9BallBust-O said:This is branched off from another thread -
Something about Sigel being very disrespectful to women players. Someone said they would love to see Fisher or Corr mop the floor with his mouth. I agree - I would pay top $$ to see that.
I strongly believe and stand by this - I dont think Mike would stand a chance against either one of them.
In addition I would like to add that he did place below Jasmine and J Lee at the past 14.1 tournament.
gromulan said:
Not to start this one up again (Yikes!) but there was a long, long thread about this issue here not to far back...Nine ballers were pretty much eating their words when the stats for BRs and innings came out to be about the same for the IPT as any other 9 ball matches at championship caliber.
gromulan said:
The US Open 9 Ball in VA. is Men only
The woman have their own.
Yeah the women have their own ...
they actually get paid for their wins
they actually get paid for their wins
9BallBust-O said:
That's actually quite untrue - I'm more than willing to give credit where credit is due. Unfortunately too many people are blinded by some short term results while failing to realize just how great the disparity actually is between a player at the level of Corr or Fisher, and a player at the level of Sigel, Archer and so forth.
In point of fact, Allison actually did compete against the men on a regular basis once upon a time, but it was at snooker, before she became a nine ball player. I believe the highest ranking she ever attained was somewhere in the 120 range, which is very good. I would compare hers or Karen's skills at nine ball at roughly the same level. 120th in the world means you're a heck of a player, a tremendous player, but if you are at that level and you match up against someone in the top ten you're going to lose far more often than you win. I would reckon that any top ten player at nine ball would have the same amount of trouble playing Allison or Karen as would a Stephen Hendry or Ronnie O'Sullivan would in the world of snooker. That is, some, but not too much.
As for Sigel, I am not fan of his personality, but his game was a force to be reckoned with. Even with his long layoff I would not put him too far outside the top 40 or 50 players in the world, and I would happily bet on him playing against two women that, IMO, can't be regarded as any higher than in the top 100.
Well I do thank you for your explination.
The Mouth!
FWIW,
I to am quickly growing tired of 'The Mouth', I don't think anyone here is saying Seigel was not/is not a great player...but does that give him license to trash some of the best players living today, maybe ever, (only time will tell).? IMO, NO!, be it hype or not. Could Johnny or Neils beat him? Yes, and I don't think people would be suprised by that. Well Karen and Allison beat Johnny and Neils, so why is it so far fetched to some people that one of these Ladies could beat Mike Seigel?
Mike should become the ambassador to the IPT...that's all he really is to KT anyway. Watch, Seigel will be gone before you know it...enjoying his retirement and all the $$$ KT has made for him, quietly fading into Billiard History...at least one can hope.
FWIW,
I to am quickly growing tired of 'The Mouth', I don't think anyone here is saying Seigel was not/is not a great player...but does that give him license to trash some of the best players living today, maybe ever, (only time will tell).? IMO, NO!, be it hype or not. Could Johnny or Neils beat him? Yes, and I don't think people would be suprised by that. Well Karen and Allison beat Johnny and Neils, so why is it so far fetched to some people that one of these Ladies could beat Mike Seigel?
Mike should become the ambassador to the IPT...that's all he really is to KT anyway. Watch, Seigel will be gone before you know it...enjoying his retirement and all the $$$ KT has made for him, quietly fading into Billiard History...at least one can hope.
I don't think any of the women on IPT would have missed her first four shots against Efren.
Or was it five?
Or was it five?
