Mike the Mouth v/s Women

Women players

Last summer I was privilaged to watch a tournament at Fusco's in PA. Karen Corr sent me an email saying that she would b playing. It started at 1 PM but everyone had already been shooting for a couple of hours. When it was all over, it was 330 AM the next morning. 14 1/2 hours of play plus a couple more hours of practice games. By the end, most of the audience had left and half of those remaining were fast asleep. :rolleyes: It had to b very tough on the players. There were many pros there, with some of the big name men including Mike Davis and Danny Bassivich, so this was no cake walk. Karen Corr made it to the final with Lee Holt. It went Hill Hill right down to the final ball. Holt won. In those long (all in one day) tournaments like that, I feel that men do have an advantage simply due to their extra strength. But for Karen to reach the final match and take it to H/H shows her great play. :cool:

I'd love to c Karen, Allison, Jasmin, and the many other great women players put a whoop'n on the men who put them down. Believe me, it WILL happen. Then they can walk away and wimper :p like Earl the Pearl. As Johnny Archer said after his loss to a woman, u should never under estimate anyone. Any pro player deserves a lot of respect for their abilities, b they men or women.
 
From a female's point of view...

As to needing a monster break in order to win...that's just not true! Corr showed that it's not the power behind the break, but where in the rack the CB makes contact that sinks balls on the break. In her match against Archer, she was definitely more successful with her breaks than he was with his. Beyond the break...Corr and Fisher have surgical precision on the table. I was actually quite impressed with Corr's showing...she did us gals proud!!

Now, I guess I must have missed something in the translation...but why do they keep referring to the IPT as a 'mens' tour? From the very beginning, with all it's hype, they have played off the male vs female angle. To me....that makes it a mixed tour...not a 'mens' tour. I could not find the specific verbage in the IPT info stating it was a 'mens' tour. If someone has a link, I would be interested.

I have also noticed where some of the 'younger' (younger than Sigel or Strickland, anyway) players do not seem to have a problem with playing the ladies. Sounded like Corr got Archer's respect! My opinion is that some of those male players whining the loudest are perhaps the one's feeling most 'threatened' by the ladies.

Lastly....I think the 'mixed' format is a great thing for pool. It represents the age old battle of the sexes. For some of you older members here, remember the hoopla and cash generated back in the 70's from the King vs Riggs match-up on the tennis court. I remember a butt-load of press and hype over that match-up, and it really pumped alot of new blood, and cash, into professional tennis, which was beginning to wane at the time. I find the 'mixed' format incredibly entertaining!!:D

Lisa
 
NO the POINT here is that Mike thinks NO WOMAN can beat him - They can. Period. If you dont think so your nukin futz.

You can say no no no they wont win over and over -- but they will keep winning over and over
 
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9BallBust-O said:
And yes totally objectively, if I were to lay big $$ down, it would be on Corr or Fisher against Mike. If I would of had to bet on Neils and Fisher ... I would of lost the bet. Archer and Karen ... I would of lost the bet.
Then you would be 9BallBust-ed
 
macguy said:
What actually is the claim here, Allison playing the best she has ever played in her life plays as good as Mike if he is dead out of stroke and that is supposed to make some profound point about women players?
TODAY, if Mike played against Karen or Allison on IPT, I think Karen and Allison beats him. There'd be so much pressure on him, he might just implode.
 
Subsonic2u said:
Last summer I was privilaged to watch a tournament at Fusco's in PA. Karen Corr sent me an email saying that she would b playing. It started at 1 PM but everyone had already been shooting for a couple of hours. When it was all over, it was 330 AM the next morning. 14 1/2 hours of play plus a couple more hours of practice games. By the end, most of the audience had left and half of those remaining were fast asleep. :rolleyes: It had to b very tough on the players. There were many pros there, with some of the big name men including Mike Davis and Danny Bassivich, so this was no cake walk. Karen Corr made it to the final with Lee Holt. It went Hill Hill right down to the final ball. Holt won. In those long (all in one day) tournaments like that, I feel that men do have an advantage simply due to their extra strength. But for Karen to reach the final match and take it to H/H shows her great play. :cool:

I'd love to c Karen, Allison, Jasmin, and the many other great women players put a whoop'n on the men who put them down. Believe me, it WILL happen. Then they can walk away and wimper :p like Earl the Pearl. As Johnny Archer said after his loss to a woman, u should never under estimate anyone. Any pro player deserves a lot of respect for their abilities, b they men or women.


In the words of "Big Bob Ogborn" after taking a loss to a local yokel player who was being a little disrespectful after winning the match. He said to the guy, "Would you like to play some for real now"? Needless to say the guy got quiet. If you play in tournaments you will draw top players and occasionally beat them.

I have beaten Miz, Toby Sweet, Butura, Louie Roberts, Jimmy Reid, Tommy Kennedy, Steve Cook, David Howard, Danny DiLiberto and I am sure a few more whose names escape me at the moment in tournament play. I would never have played any of them for real, as Bob calls it, with out weight.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Karen embarrassed Johnny Archer.
Allison was a betting favorite had she and Mike played the finals supposedly.

I think it would be a great match to see...Karens win against Archer proves it can be done....
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Subsonic2u said:
Last summer I was privilaged to watch a tournament at Fusco's in PA... Karen Corr made it to the final with Lee Holt. It went Hill Hill right down to the final ball. Holt won. ...

You do know that Lee (no disrespect intended- he is a fine dood) needs a BIG SPOT to play a real champion, right?
 
9BallBust-O said:
This is branched off from another thread -

Something about Sigel being very disrespectful to women players. Someone said they would love to see Fisher or Corr mop the floor with his mouth. I agree - I would pay top $$ to see that.:eek:

I strongly believe and stand by this - I dont think Mike would stand a chance against either one of them.:D

In addition I would like to add that he did place below Jasmine and J Lee at the past 14.1 tournament.


Well I'm probably gonna take alot of heat on this but here it goes anyway. I'm getting kind of tired of Sigel running his mouth all the time, I imagine he is probably doing this in part to get into his opponent's head, they don't call him the mouth for nothing:) I'm well aware that Mike was a dominant force when he was in his prime but that was a long time ago. I don't recall Mike winning any tournaments in the last few years, I don't consider beating LJJ winning a tourny either. He got absolutely embarassed by Efren at the KOTH, so perhaps Mike should start worrying about winning something and not worrying about his choice of words?

I'm not aware of Sigel off the table only on the felt, but he comes across as having an ego the size of Texas. I'm not really a fan or arrogant people and he comes across as very arrogant to me, this is just the way I feel about the guy.

Flame away
 
Ok KtownD - so let me get this straight -

It would of been smart of me to bet that Neils would win over Allison? I would have ...Yet I would of lost.
It would of been wise of me to bet that Archer would win over Karen? I would have .. but I would of lost.
Yet you think Im stupid to bet against Mike over either one of them.... Um...ok

Heck it wouod of been a toss up if LJJ and I played .. boy oh boy
 
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Mikie

9BallBust-O said:
Yes I would say the same thing - womens pool isnt what it was when Mike was in his prime. They play stronger and harder. Mike is no better than Karen or Allison - just WHAT do these women have to do to make you realize that they can play. How many top rated men do they have to beat. If not Archer then who ... is Neils not good enough? What? Comeone - they are not weak little bangers put on a table to look pretty and keep the boys around. They are strong with talent and now they are going to be mixing it up and getting stronger. They have more advantage to grow. They own great game.

Hell yeah she is -- if you had 10K on the side who would you drop it on. NOT to mention the fact that i BELIEVE - it may not be true but I suppose that LJJ played a little under what she could have. I dont think she was supposed to win even if she could have. I honestly think it was a " if your gonna win, dont" .... she still made bank

And yes totally objectively, if I were to lay big $$ down, it would be on Corr or Fisher against Mike. If I would of had to bet on Neils and Fisher ... I would of lost the bet. Archer and Karen ... I would of lost the bet.

It would sure help it they won something that included men, like the Open or DCC. Winning one match means nothing.

There are tons of shortstops that have knocked champions out of tournaments. Until they step up and win, they won't get the respect they may well deserve.

And BTW, Mike is a bonafide jerk. His statements reflect his poor attitude and disrespect for others in general. I would enjoy watching him lose to anyone, especially a good women player. He is a poor choice as an ambassador of the sport for the IPT.
 
A few things stood out to me about the IPT telecast. There was Sigel whining about the women (made it sound like he was afraid to play them), McCready saying he would have played better if he had drank a couple beers first (at least he is honest), Strickland's frustration with his play (interesting study in human nature), and I think it was Putnam who blamed a missed shot on the water lady (akin to a baseball player striking out and blaming it on a guy in the bleachers who got up to go get a hot dog).

I wish they would allot more time it than just one hour.
 
Ex-King of the Hill

Deadon said:
It would sure help it they won something that included men, like the Open or DCC. Winning one match means nothing.

There are tons of shortstops that have knocked champions out of tournaments. Until they step up and win, they won't get the respect they may well deserve.

And BTW, Mike is a bonafide jerk. His statements reflect his poor attitude and disrespect for others in general. I would enjoy watching him lose to anyone, especially a good women player. He is a poor choice as an ambassador of the sport for the IPT.

MS is a jerk that got a sweet ride (and sweet payday) because he is/was good friends with Kevin T. If KT didn't know Mike, I seriously doubt IPT would have considered someone that got out of the action 10 years ago. JMO
 
Yeah on the right night you never know who a shortstop could beat. I mean in all reality its all a BS conversation. You know one time player a plays player b and wins 7-0 and the next time a wins 7-4 and then the next time 1-7 - ANYTHING can happen. Honestly the women have nothing to gain by playin in more open events except a bunch od $hit talk. I mean if Allison won over some guy damn he might freak out and start throwin stuff around - his cue flies out of his and and pokes someone in the head and then HOLY HELL!! LOL Im just BS talkin today -sturin it up.... Have a good one guys and GIRLS!! LOVE THE LADY POOL PLAYERS WHO WHOOP A$$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a result of what happens when one is bored at work!
 
Deadon said:
It would sure help it they won something that included men, like the Open or DCC. Winning one match means nothing.

There are tons of shortstops that have knocked champions out of tournaments. Until they step up and win, they won't get the respect they may well deserve.

And BTW, Mike is a bonafide jerk. His statements reflect his poor attitude and disrespect for others in general. I would enjoy watching him lose to anyone, especially a good women player. He is a poor choice as an ambassador of the sport for the IPT.


Women cannot play in the US Open or the World Championship so they are not going to win there anytime soon.

Sarah Rousey has a 20th out of 300+ players in the DCC- the highest finish for a female.
 
The top women can beat men on any given night especially in an easier game of 8 ball....Whats the big deal...

I watched some yesterday and laughed as Siegal tried to tell me that 8 ball is harder than 9 ball...I don't think this has ever been the case...Basically the patterns in 8 ball are always easier...Seems they are just pumping up there tour which is fine....Funny how they keep harping on the cloth as being really tough to play...Seems to me if you try to move the cue as little as possible what difference does the cloth make???
 
The Kiss said:
The top women can beat men on any given night especially in an easier game of 8 ball....Whats the big deal...

I watched some yesterday and laughed as Siegal tried to tell me that 8 ball is harder than 9 ball...I don't think this has ever been the case...Basically the patterns in 8 ball are always easier...Seems they are just pumping up there tour which is fine....Funny how they keep harping on the cloth as being really tough to play...Seems to me if you try to move the cue as little as possible what difference does the cloth make???
They also kept yapping about how tight the pockets were.
Well, if you look at those misses, the deep slate caused those balls to hang.
Not the pocket opening.
 
Yeah no doubt would love to see them play in the OPEN - heck Id pay for Allisons flight, hotel and entrance fee if women could play in it. Just to see.

Look I dont expect her to win. Just like I dont think Hohman or Deuel are dead nuts everytime either but everyone has a chance
 
Am I the only one that sees how this thread in itself is a testament to the brilliance of the IPT's promotion strategy. They spotlight the great women on the tour beating some of the men, and then they make sure the men make token responses about playing women....controversy ensues...people take sides....people will watch.
 
9BallBust-O said:
Ok KtownD - so let me get this straight -

It would of been smart of me to bet that Neils would win over Allison? I would have ...Yet I would of lost.
It would of been wise of me to bet that Archer would win over Karen? I would have .. but I would of lost.
Yet you think Im stupid to bet against Mike over either one of them.... Um...ok

Heck it wouod of been a toss up if LJJ and I played .. boy oh boy

Yes, it would be smart, you always try to bet with the best of it. If you have bets as good as those the rest of your life you will come out well ahead.
 
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