Milliken
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It's more comparable to Simonis 760 in speed and playability.
IMO it is the best cloth out there right now,doesnt have to be re streched like 860 and last longer.And cost a bit less.I have covered over 100 tables with it.
If you're having to re-stretch Simonis 860, then you're not installing it correctly in the first place. Any cloth will come loose if it isn't installed right the first time.
Your right, I must of had the cloth upside down.Thanks
What about if the cloth is regularly being wiped down with a damp cloth? I believe I have seen simonis get a bit loose after this type of care. I think very humid conditions would cause it too wouldn't it?
Wiped down with a slightly damp rag is not the same as wiping it down with a wet rag, yes water will cause the threads to slip in the weave causing the cloth to relax a little, but you're not suppose to get the cloth wet either, so Simonis cloth like any other cloth will lose it's elasticity if it's been wet. Humidity has never cause my bed cloths to come loose, not even in Mississippi or Louisiana in the summer time, and it won't if it's installed correctly...which is the MAJOR problem of MOST table mechanics, they DON'T know how to properly install the bed cloths, no matter what make it is.
If it has come loose from cleaning it wrong, then if you don't have wax in the seams, iron the cloth like you'd iron a wool blanket to get the wrinkles out and it'll cause the wool/nlyon to shrink making the cloth tight again.
Glen
Even upside down...my Simonis bed cloths won't come loose over time
I think this applies to almost any cloth if it's stretched to the limit. My el cheapo Rapid 777 cloth that I have on my table has been there a year and hasn't loosened at all. The Chinese table mechanics were very good about stretching it tightly.
Conversely I had someone do Simonis many years ago on a table for Vegas and within a week you could draw the cloth up with your hand. They came over and redid it and all was great after that.
In my opinion it's very close. But I am also biased because I worked for Sterling and got to play on this cloth all the time.
Sterling did several experiements where they had it installed next to Simonis 860 in a Pepsi Challenge type deal without telling the players which was which. As I understand it the better players in the room either couldn't tell the difference or preferred the Milliken SuperPro in those blind tests.
It is definitely NOT closer to 760 in my opinion, speaking as a player who gambles.
If it starts out fast but slows down, fine. But if it stays "new simonis" fast, no good for my needs.
Chuck
The cloth plays like it's "broken-in" from day one. Jeremy Jones said it best after he won the 2008 BCA Open in Charlotte where Milliken Super Pro was used. He said that the cloth played the same on day one as it did on the final day. He said it wasn't slick the first couple days like most tournaments.
You can find his interview on www.RunOutRadio.com and hear his exact statement on for yourself. Just look for the 2008 episode around June or so.
And this is what we heard from many other people throughout the years.
This cloth is gaining a lot of traction on the underground scene. A lot of room owners are buying it and putting it on their tables without telling everyone what it is so that they aren't looked down on by the folks who think Simonis is the only cloth that matters. They call in and report back to Sterling that their customers love it.
Ask around on the main forum and get some opinions from people who don't sell it and who don't sell the competing brands.
Funny thing is John, you don't hear the players complaining about playing on Simonis and want to switch to another kind of cloth. If Jeremy didn't win, he'd have been complaining about how the Milliken didn't play like Simonis and that's why he didn't win. Simonis 860HR plays just like it's broke in too, when it's newly installed, but stays that way until it's time to recover the table again. When the US Open and the DCC switch to Milliken as the cloth of choice, then you'll have proven your point, but I don't see that happening anytime soon buddy, but we can always agree to disagree:grin: Milliken is not a bad cloth, it's just not Simonis, but given a choice between Championship Tour Edition 3030 and Milliken, I'd go Milliken all the way:grin:
Glen
The ONLY reason that any professional pool tournament uses any brand of cloth is money.
The ONLY reason that SuperPro was used in the tournament Jeremy won is because in that event they outbid Simonis for the sponsorship rights.
And the only reason Jeremy was asked about it is because Simonis was not used and so the fact that another cloth brand was in play was a talking point.
SuperPro is a great cloth made in a mill that has been in business LONGER than Simonis. Both are great cloths made by great companies.
LIke I said though, the OP should ask people who have it on their tables what they think. John Schmidt would be a good choice. He is a pro, loves Simonis and now owns a pool room where he put all SuperPro on his tables.
You need to do some fact checking, John has both Simonis AND Milliken on his tables, not just Milliken...I just spoke with him:grin:
Great. Then the OP can call him and get his opinion since he has both. Or better still the OP can go on the main forum and ask if anyone has played in John's place and see what their opinions are.
John, you're back peddeling buddy..LOL you said ALL of John's tables had Milliken Super Pro on them, but I understand all you're trying to do is sell Milliken cloth, so I'll help you out, OK.
If anyone decides that they DON'T want to install Simonis cloth on their pool table(s) then please go right ahead and install the Milliken Super Pro cloth on your table(s) instead of ANY other kind of cloth. I've installed it before, it's a great cloth in my opinion, better than any other cloth I know of on the market, it's just not Simonis, that's all. My first choice is Simonis, but if I HAD to choose something else, it would be the Milliken Super Pro cloth.
There, does that help John?:grin:
Glen
And your point on this statement is?
What else is made in the mill that produces MSP?
and ftr, not looking to rehash the cloths again
And your point on this statement is?
What else is made in the mill that produces MSP?
and ftr, not looking to rehash the cloths again
I don't know. Does that matter? The reason I bring it up is because in a previous "debate" someone said that Simonis is the oldest pool table cloth maker and that's not entirely true. Strachan has been in the business of table cloth for as long as Simonis according to the people who work there and the mill that actually makes the cloth has been in existence longer.