Mind of Steel

Sorry, but a "miss" or the reason of the miss, as another poster had mentioned, should not be "fixed" during match play. That is done during practice not competition.

If your skills are not adequate or your knowledge is not adequate for the missed shot, you must go back to the practice table to "Earn" your confidence. If you already know how to make the shot and have just missed it, let it go, put it on the shelf for practice time and wait for your next opportunity at the table.

JoeyA

Your story is very good for being in the moment & continuing to complete but...

That shot was missed for some reason & if the reason is one that can fixed it should be fixed.

To me it's amazing what both short & long memories 'athletes' have. One might forget that shot while competing but have it come back to memory 2 weeks or 2 months later.

IMO, it's better to get a on table & either find the problem & fix it or...confirm that it was a freak occurance & then be done with it. That way it will not come to mind at a future date & even if does one knows that the problem was fixed or that it was a freak occurance & will not happen again,

That way one can truly forget it. That way one can maintain & even build confidence.

Just my 2 cent opinion.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
Hi Tony,

I just realised that I don't know how old you are or how long you have been playing.

Anyway, It's not an easy thing to do & in fact it may not even be real but you can't be worried about what anyone thinks of you or your playing ability, at least not when you're actually playing.

You'll show that you care when you focus & give each shot the care that it deserves & you miss less. Remember, everyone misses, even 'the best' miss. Earl misses, Efren misses. They just miss way less than most of us.

I don't think I have any consistent action like you tapping the chalk on the table. I may sometimes put the chalk down on the table a bit hard or I may take it back to the chair with me. But...the one thing that I know that I do do is that I leave the table slowly as I get out of the way & go to the chair. I'm not happy & I don't want to leave, I want to shoot again ASAP, but...I have to wait for my opponent to miss, IF they miss.

If I've missed position or hooked myself, I take my time & find the best option. That is where your focus needs to be & not on what anyone else may or may not be thinking about you or the shot that you just messed up on.

It's all about focus & the level of it that you put on the table & what is at hand. It should be 100% on the table at all times & your mind should never drift to anything else.

I've said it on here before that when I'm playing seriously, someone could be rapeing my wife or daughter on the next table & I would not even notice or hear them screaming for me to help them. I know that is an extreme example but that is what total focus is all about. I've been there very often whenever I felt that I needed to be there. Sometimes it's not that easy to get there. But...with experience it becomes easier & it can be turned off & on so as to not be so taxing to be totally focused for long stretches.

I hope something I said here helps you & naturally all of this are just my opinions & my take on your topics.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

I'm 26, and I've been playing for a little over a year now. Another thing that I want to get out of the habit of doing, is after I miss, I'll keep standing until my opponent sinks their first shot. I think it's rude, and I should sit down right away, but sometimes I just step away from the table, and stand off to one-side.
 

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No one likes to miss a ball or shape or to not perform to the level they expect. What you really need to ask yourself is what do you really derive from the machinations you say you perform when you do miss? You wrote that perhaps it's to indicate to yourself or your opponent you're not happy with the result. If I'm your opponent I love this kind of display as it indicates you're wrapped up in thoughts you should not allow to occupy space in your head and all I have to do is apply heat and lean and you will fall. I think if you ask those that display no emotion at an error you'll find they aren't happy about it but they are seasoned enough competitors that they won't give their opponent the satisfaction of seeing it. If you truly want to excel you should be instantly analyzing the reason you did not achieve your desired result but most importantly be objective and honest with yourself about why you didn't. You'll never get the last shot back, it's done. You need to also understand that while you can't get it back you can prevent it from marring your next one, think about that

Since I've only been playing for a year, I think I'm a little worried that it would come off as snobby. But I guess so does expecting perfect shape all the time. I guess I'm just worried about coming across as being better than I actually am.
 
Since I've only been playing for a year, I think I'm a little worried that it would come off as snobby. But I guess so does expecting perfect shape all the time. I guess I'm just worried about coming across as being better than I actually am.


Well your post here kind of says it all
1. It doesn't matter how long you've been playing, you cannot start forming proper perception early enough.
2. The fact that you "worry" about others perception of you or your game indicates your conscious mind is far too involved when you're playing.
3. You SHOULD expect to play each shot correctly, to attain the shape you desire every time.

What I'm about to state I've done before in other threads. In order to truly excel at this game it requires dedication and great effort. It is a discipline truly. You must first develop proper technique and a rock solid PSR. Once you have played enough and have developed these and learned muscle memory you will find yourself where every other person that wants to play seriously does, staring at the abyss that is the mental game. The ability to navigate this is the difference between those that plateau & never get any better & those that break through and become great players.

This is a visual game, what I mean by this is it is pictures that get your subconscious to draw on learned muscle memory to not only execute a shot but to get the desired resulting position and that isn't even going deep enough. Not only do you need to attain position but you need to be in position on the RIGHT side of the ball to get to where you're going on the next shot and the one after that. Conscious thought will not get you there, visualization will, you have to "see" it.

Your conscious mind has a very small part in this game, while you are upright & surveying the table before you its place is to decide upon the path you will take to navigate the rack, not just the next shot, but at least the next 4 shots because if you're not looking that far ahead then invariably you will eventually end up on the wrong side of the ball & be out of line.

Once you have decided how you will navigate the rack your conscious minds job is done & you need to disconnect it & activate your subconscious to draw on learned muscle memory to execute that path. This is not done with talk inside your head, that inner chatter is your conscious mind & if you can hear that voice you haven't disconnected it. You disconnect it by visualizing the path your conscious decided upon. You have to really "see it" in your minds eye and you better not drop on that ball until you do. Once you have "seen" it you have activated your subconscious to draw on muscle memory to turn that vision into reality, not only pocketing the ball but in placing the cueball into position for the next shot. Once you've "seen it", then & only then do you drop on that ball and allow your subconscious to execute that vision & it will. There is no wavering in this, it requires focus, an inordinate amount of it. This is why an unwavering, unchanging PSR is critical, it becomes ritual & allows you to produce a consistent pattern of training your conscious & subconscious to work together to produce the desired result, each knowing its place and part in the process.

When these get out of whack & fight each other you're in trouble. If your down on a ball & that voice in your head starts yammering you better get back up because if you don't you will not execute, you have a better chance of throwing a snowball and hitting the sun.

Lastly lets talk about the bane of all pool players, that voice of the conscious mind. You hear people talk about pressure of a shot or situation, there is no such thing. Next is fear, of failure, of losing, of how you will appear to others that are watching, that doesn't exist either. Pressure and fear are not created by a situation, a shot is a shot, whether in practice or the final shot to win the final of a tournament or the case ball in a gambling match up. If you drill that shot 50 times in a row in practice & then you should be able to drill it to close out a match for the cash or to win a tournament, it's the same shot. Fear and pressure don't exist, they're not real, the only place they exist is in your mind, the place where YOU create them, because situations don't create them, YOU do.

The good news is you can also choose not to create them, to not feel them because it IS a choice. That shot in a situation to win is no different than the same shot you drill effortlessly in practice. The only difference is your perception of it, if you feel pressure it is because you have created it by placing more importance to it in the situation to win than you did in practice. So it stands to reason that you can also choose to not place more importance to it. In closing I'll ask you what is the difference between 2 players of identical ability when one has ice water running through his veins in competition & executed flawlessly & the other is a nervous wreck and drives the ball into the rail dogging it? One has learned to control his mind & the other hasn't. You will either control your mind or it WILL CONTROL YOU. If you learn to control your conscious mind you will free your subconscious mind. If you free it your ass will follow.
 
Has he been reading my posts?

Uh oh. I predict someone is TOIling away at some fortune cookie response to this one... :eek:

I think he described why the TOI is so powerful without anyone adding to it.

Has he been reading my posts? :groucho:
 
Sorry, but a "miss" or the reason of the miss, as another poster had mentioned, should not be "fixed" during match play. That is done during practice not competition.

If your skills are not adequate or your knowledge is not adequate for the missed shot, you must go back to the practice table to "Earn" your confidence. If you already know how to make the shot and have just missed it, let it go, put it on the shelf for practice time and wait for your next opportunity at the table.

JoeyA

Hi Joey,

I think you somehow misread my post or I did not make myself clear.

I was talking about fixing it the next day or at the earliest opportunity when one is not competing.

I was responding to the JUST-FORGET-ABOUT-IT.

We're capable of making all the shots on the table BUT...we do mis & when we do, we had better either know why or find out why.

Like CJ says, he considers hitting the wrong part of the pocket as a sort of mis that needs to be addressed immediately on the next shot.

There are many levels of play & we are all not on the same level & how one handles a mis can depend on what level one is at. At the lower levels many need more knowledge & why they missed is valuable knowledge from which to learn.

As I said recently here somewhere, I can usually deduce why I missed a shot with in seconds & certainly in less than a minute in most all cases & hence it is usually of no concern to me.

But...if I can't figure it out & don't know why, I won't sleep well until I have figured it out. Sometimes I wake up knowing what it was & sometimes it takes getting to a table the next day. But I doubt if ever I've just forgotten about it without having an answer.

I just wanted to make myself clear since it appeared I miscommunicated.

Thanks & Best 2 You,
Rick

PS When competing...It's forgotten as soon as my focus goes to what's required IF I get back to the table which is almost immediately although it's sort of a split focus as I have to let go of what WAS the 'focus' had I made the shot.
 
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Tony,

Your last two posts show to me your concern for your opponent & your concern for what people might think of you personally more than your game.

I think that is all fine good & well & there is nothing wrong with that.
But... don't allow your concerns for those things to affect your game.

If I had to guess, I'd say that they are affecting your game.

It's like Colonel said regarding your conscious thoughts, etc.

You can't be thinking about any of that while you're playing.

When you're finished playing you can think about all that sort of stuff & if you think about it enough you'll make correcting what you do so that it is no longer a distraction.

Do what you think is correct, by that, I mean do what you would want your opponent to do for you. Play the game politely. BUT play it to the best of your ability & do not let anything distract you from doing that.

There is a time & place for each. When it's your turn to shoot do whatever you think will help you to play well.

When it's not your turn to shoot get out of your opponents way & politely wait your turn even if you're burning up inside but take deep breathes & settle down before going back to the table.

Best of Luck on building YOUR custom built pool bus for YOUR Pool Journey,
Rick
 
Well your post here kind of says it all
1. It doesn't matter how long you've been playing, you cannot start forming proper perception early enough.
2. The fact that you "worry" about others perception of you or your game indicates your conscious mind is far too involved when you're playing.
3. You SHOULD expect to play each shot correctly, to attain the shape you desire every time.

What I'm about to state I've done before in other threads. In order to truly excel at this game it requires dedication and great effort. It is a discipline truly. You must first develop proper technique and a rock solid PSR. Once you have played enough and have developed these and learned muscle memory you will find yourself where every other person that wants to play seriously does, staring at the abyss that is the mental game. The ability to navigate this is the difference between those that plateau & never get any better & those that break through and become great players.

This is a visual game, what I mean by this is it is pictures that get your subconscious to draw on learned muscle memory to not only execute a shot but to get the desired resulting position and that isn't even going deep enough. Not only do you need to attain position but you need to be in position on the RIGHT side of the ball to get to where you're going on the next shot and the one after that. Conscious thought will not get you there, visualization will, you have to "see" it.

Your conscious mind has a very small part in this game, while you are upright & surveying the table before you its place is to decide upon the path you will take to navigate the rack, not just the next shot, but at least the next 4 shots because if you're not looking that far ahead then invariably you will eventually end up on the wrong side of the ball & be out of line.

Once you have decided how you will navigate the rack your conscious minds job is done & you need to disconnect it & activate your subconscious to draw on learned muscle memory to execute that path. This is not done with talk inside your head, that inner chatter is your conscious mind & if you can hear that voice you haven't disconnected it. You disconnect it by visualizing the path your conscious decided upon. You have to really "see it" in your minds eye and you better not drop on that ball until you do. Once you have "seen" it you have activated your subconscious to draw on muscle memory to turn that vision into reality, not only pocketing the ball but in placing the cueball into position for the next shot. Once you've "seen it", then & only then do you drop on that ball and allow your subconscious to execute that vision & it will. There is no wavering in this, it requires focus, an inordinate amount of it. This is why an unwavering, unchanging PSR is critical, it becomes ritual & allows you to produce a consistent pattern of training your conscious & subconscious to work together to produce the desired result, each knowing its place and part in the process.

When these get out of whack & fight each other you're in trouble. If your down on a ball & that voice in your head starts yammering you better get back up because if you don't you will not execute, you have a better chance of throwing a snowball and hitting the sun.

Lastly lets talk about the bane of all pool players, that voice of the conscious mind. You hear people talk about pressure of a shot or situation, there is no such thing. Next is fear, of failure, of losing, of how you will appear to others that are watching, that doesn't exist either. Pressure and fear are not created by a situation, a shot is a shot, whether in practice or the final shot to win the final of a tournament or the case ball in a gambling match up. If you drill that shot 50 times in a row in practice & then you should be able to drill it to close out a match for the cash or to win a tournament, it's the same shot. Fear and pressure don't exist, they're not real, the only place they exist is in your mind, the place where YOU create them, because situations don't create them, YOU do.

The good news is you can also choose not to create them, to not feel them because it IS a choice. That shot in a situation to win is no different than the same shot you drill effortlessly in practice. The only difference is your perception of it, if you feel pressure it is because you have created it by placing more importance to it in the situation to win than you did in practice. So it stands to reason that you can also choose to not place more importance to it. In closing I'll ask you what is the difference between 2 players of identical ability when one has ice water running through his veins in competition & executed flawlessly & the other is a nervous wreck and drives the ball into the rail dogging it? One has learned to control his mind & the other hasn't. You will either control your mind or it WILL CONTROL YOU. If you learn to control your conscious mind you will free your subconscious mind. If you free it your ass will follow.


Great Post! Freedom of Choice:)

Thanks

Chrippa
 
continue to calibrate misses - it's not wise to wait until it's too late.

Sorry, but a "miss" or the reason of the miss, as another poster had mentioned, should not be "fixed" during match play. That is done during practice not competition.

If your skills are not adequate or your knowledge is not adequate for the missed shot, you must go back to the practice table to "Earn" your confidence. If you already know how to make the shot and have just missed it, let it go, put it on the shelf for practice time and wait for your next opportunity at the table.

JoeyA

I continue to calibrate how the object ball's contacting the pocket - when I slightly hit the inside, or outside it's taken into account on my very next shot. I won't tolerate not hitting the center, this keeps me from getting to comfortable and losing my focus and/or concentration.

When I undercut (using TOI) a shot I will accelerate more on the next one forcing it to the center. When my shot over-cuts I'll cue slightly less inside on my next shot (unless the shot was straight in, or a "slow-rolled" ball).

This is the advanced level of the '3 Part Pocket System' and it's geared so that you reach the ultimate outcome.....to hit every shot as identically as possible. Buddy Hall was the master of this style in his prime, the pocket even made the same sound, shot after shot, after shot, after shot.......this is effective and intimidating.

The key is to continue calibrating to prevent misses, it's not wise to wait until it's too late. [The Game is my Teacher]
 
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Be here- right now! In the present

Rick pointed out some good things-
The words about V. Lombardi are very true.
Everyone is individual- and here is the key. Everyone has to learn it for himself and here "knowledged" humans can help. To help the player to work out a pre-shot-routine (or routines in general- several small and later on puttin the pieces together) which he can follow and make it work.

You have to be in the present- everytime again at the table. NO matter what you have done before. A great shot, or a miss. It doesn t matter at all.
you have to "BE HERE- RIGHT NOW" and just focus on the process! NOT THE OUTCOME. Of course many know these words- heard them often. But to really pay here attention is not that easy :-)

Everyone fights with his nerves- everyone has to fight with distracions-- also the champions. But this is what seperates also the really strong players from the champions. The champions just know to deal better with distractions- they re just better in "gettin the job done".

I remember a 14.1 match at the european championship 2 years ago.
A former world champion, one of the best in the world playing another super strong player (would say close to professional level).
Game to 100-- BOTH run out of gas mentally. Both made about 7 or 8 unforced errorrs (really missing a ball.. it was crazy). They played for about 2 and a half hour..... a very good example how important the mental game is. On every level.
Good to demonstrate that also world class players can fall into "this deep hole"-

Good postings here- and good food for thought :-)
 
Rick pointed out some good things-
The words about V. Lombardi are very true.
Everyone is individual- and here is the key. Everyone has to learn it for himself and here "knowledged" humans can help. To help the player to work out a pre-shot-routine (or routines in general- several small and later on puttin the pieces together) which he can follow and make it work.

I've been having trouble with my pre-shot routine. I've noticed I've been using 90/90 for easier shots, and CTE for harder shots (because it still takes me a while to line up the visuals while standing upright. I can get them right away when I crouch down, but puts too much strain on my back), When I use 90/90, I lack precision, but it requires less conscious effort on 0-30 degree cuts.

My question is, should I get rid of the less precise system even thought it lets me to shoot more naturally (at the moment), in favour of mastering the more complex system till it becomes natural?, Will my performance suffer from having two different systems?
 
I've been having trouble with my pre-shot routine. I've noticed I've been using 90/90 for easier shots, and CTE for harder shots (because it still takes me a while to line up the visuals while standing upright. I can get them right away when I crouch down, but puts too much strain on my back), When I use 90/90, I lack precision, but it requires less conscious effort on 0-30 degree cuts.

My question is, should I get rid of the less precise system even thought it lets me to shoot more naturally (at the moment), in favour of mastering the more complex system till it becomes natural?, Will my performance suffer from having two different systems?


While there are those that will vehemently disagree I believe your performance will suffer from utilizing "aiming systems". They have their place when you're first starting out until you can learn to "see", just as training wheels have a place when you first learn to ride a bike. But you don't keep training wheels on a bike very long do you? Ditch them. Train your mind to visualize.
 
I'm tired of waiting. Here, let me stand in...

Lou Figueroa

That sums up my confidence issues perfectly. Not that I'm Mr. Intelligent or anything.

I've had issues over the past few years but I've pretty much figured it out. My confidence issues stem from not competing enough AND actually having a realistic idea of where my game stands. I know I'm not a pro -- not even close.

But then I'll play someone who doesn't know any better. They think they could beat SVB. Their view of their game is so distorted that they just ooze confidence. They expect to make every shot they take. It's a very misguided confidence, but it's confidence nevertheless.

Now I understand that overconfidence can hurt you. It can lead to a lot of frustration and even confusion when you see balls go flying into the rails instead of into the pockets and it certainly can hurt your development, since an overconfident player will have a hard time identifying their weaknesses because in their view -- they don't have any. But I still can't help but envy these guys and their confidence. I do think this sort of confidence can help lesser players get across the finish line before the less confident but more skilled player.

Well at least that's what I tell myself when I get beat by someone like this. I'm the more skilled player....yeah that's it.
 
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