Well..........I guess that's it then. Mitch received nothing for his winning ticket.
I have always bought raffle tickets in the past, each and every time I have been in Vegas, which is every year. From now on, I will never enter another raffle!!!!
Mitch Ellerman Ripped Off at Galveston Tournament
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Well..........I guess that's it then. Mitch received nothing for his winning ticket.
I have always bought raffle tickets in the past, each and every time I have been in Vegas, which is every year. From now on, I will never enter another raffle!!!!
my bad.... People i trusted told me not to..."if" we do again
things will be done different, for the better
your the best!!!!!!!! I wish you were here so i could pat you on
the back.......everbody "jay" is perfect..
I don't have time for sifting thru 17pgs, but if the above is the bottom line then that is pretty weak.
I hope the terms of the raffle were made clear up front or at least available to potential participants.
There is a little thing called management by objective: setting systems and processes up in ways that seek to ensure success. The raffle's failure seems to be related to managements' incompetence.
Show some class.
I really hope any partners you have are smarter than you are. You need help.
Your true colors are showing.
Reminds me of the biter that owed me money...he said since I asked for it "now you never gonna get it".
ther are no colors here, just black and white do not take it any other way. You started this not me..i got a total of 6 posting on this site "az" i have listen to you and others for
over a year and said nothing now i show my "true" colors. Give me a break.......
Bobby-
Can you answer what your background is in the professional world?
Just an FYI, when you own a business (Taylor Road or GWC qualify as such), you are responsible for everything that comes with it - even if you directed someone else to carry out a project (in this case, the gaffle). You are responsible for the way your employees act as well. To just wash your hands of it saying that you were not involved in the gaffle, simply doesn't cut it.
Also, what was your business exit plan if you received poor attendance making the event have a negative balance - first, short the players on the guaranteed money? You state you aren't a liar. Ok, so what happened to your guarantee on the money for the event?
Can you answer what your background is in the professional world?
Just an FYI, when you own a business (Taylor Road or GWC qualify as such), you are responsible for everything that comes with it - even if you directed someone else to carry out a project (in this case, the gaffle). You are responsible for the way your employees act as well. To just wash your hands of it saying that you were not involved in the gaffle, simply doesn't cut it.
Also, what was your business exit plan if you received poor attendance making the event have a negative balance - first, short the players on the guaranteed money? You state you aren't a liar. Ok, so what happened to your guarantee on the money for the event?
I will be there in my Mitch shirt to let everyone know about the raffle scam.
I REALLY HOPE SO:smile:
you still do not get the point, i think that is called a one tract mind.. It is not my responsible to chase mitch down..
By the way what is your background, what gives you the right to ask these things...
Ok - IMO, if guaranteed money is not paid, that would make you a liar. Do you get that point?
I have every right to ask what I want. You can choose not to answer - and then we can infer what your avoidance of the questions really means.
I owned a successful business that did 2.6 million in sales in a town of 12,000 people and then sold it. I currently own a vending business and put on national Golden Tee tournaments many times a year (nothing of the size of Galveston) but when I state something will happen - it happens. I also manage 25 people every day and know what the word accountability means. Do you?
Ok, your turn.
The real world is a harsh one Mr. Rone, fact is at the moment Mitch cannot even call out from his phone, he can receive calls at the moment into his phone though. I do think he should have been called and given time to make arrangements if any or given a cash deal, why was one guy given a cash deal for his furniture and Mitch not?
You say me and Jay are the problem, we are just trying to get Mitch what he deserves, someone obviously has the furniture and it was either given to them or sold to them. I am sure we wont get any details since your side stepping all of that.
It was not 3 months since he tried to make contact, its been 3 months as of now since the event was over. He tried to talk to people, this thread was started a month and half ago when he still had no furniture nor a settlement for it. I have said numerous times that this thread is about bringing attention to Mitch not receiving his prize and not to bash the GWC.
Mr. Rone, what happened to Mitch's furniture?, where was it last?, what was it sold for?, why was Mitch not called and given X amount of time to move it? I think if you guys run a raffle next time you will state it has to be moved at the winners expense. I assure you when you state the buyer has to move it immediately after they win it you wont sell many tickets, that is for sure.
Not many people who are playing in a tournament have the time or means to move a dining room set. I have heard he could have rented a U-haul, sure he could have canceled his flight and maybe got some pool players to load it up on a truck and drove it all the way to Arizona, but is that realistic? He did not have the money to have it shipped and did not know he needed to.
He should have been called and if it was me running that raffle I would have tried to help. If he said he could not afford to ship it or was not willing to have it shipped I would have said it will be sold and you will be given a percentage less a fee for the sale. You just don't make contact and get rid of it, that is unprofessional.
Have a Happy Holiday Mr. Rone and thanks for helping Mitch...a pool player out.
if you have or had what you say you would not have the time for this petty rif raf.. The only reason i got on this thread "they brought me up" i have posted maybe 10 times, i see your on quite a lot, must have a lot of time on your hand. You like others on this site are the type of people that will pay to watch a fight and then try to tell fighter how to fight..we said gwc would happen and it happen with very little help fron anybody on this site..you caint manage people and be successful the way you jump in here and started running me or anybody else down, you of all people know there is always two sides to every story. What do you mean its my turn, my turn was at gwc where a lot of money was spent.........
I would like to say hello to jerry f who takes care of az site he has been a big help to me. Jerry you told me and i did not listen about who my friends are. Remember in vegas where you tried to tell me ? Thats all i will say i will not say no more on this site untill the next one. I am sorry for mitch but sometimes you have to make it happen on your on, i have my whole life..............
i wish all of you a merry christmas & happy new year.............
i am sorry there are so many unhappy people on this thread with the gwc maybe we can get input from people like you on the next one and make it better....
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And, BOOM. There it is.
Why didn't Mitch get treated the same (aka: fairly)? Because he is a victim. A victim of discrimination.
He could pursue the cash value of unpaid prize, legal fees, punitive amount too. I am sure there are plenty of lawyers that would take 60% with no $ down...
Nice business plan, Rone. Why don't you just hand him a signed blank check? Glad I learned about you for free.
Geeenyus alert!
My observations are as follows...
In the real world the way it is now -
As soon as Mitch won, he should have hunted down whoever was in charge of this prize and asked 100 questions about it and wrote down who he talked to and what they said. If he found out he had to pay shipping, he could have made a decision as to what he wanted to do then... sell it to someone while he's there and let it be there responsibility, or made some arrangements with whoever was in charge of the prize, but every possible question needs to be asked, even if they had that shipping was paid right there on the raffle.
Point is, you can't trust anyone these days, you can't believe anything, even if it's obvious, you have to ask 100 questions and get someone to give very detailed info, that you can lock them down with.
It appears as if he's screwed out of some furniture, some by his doing and some by everyone else's doing. Doesn't appear anyone is doing anything to "fix" anything, even though it can lead to very bad press.
In a world we wished we lived in -
Mitch wins some furniture, he assumes they ship it, he forgets to ask any questions at the time.
But while he's there at the tourney, someone calls him with the phone number they have for him and asks him what he wants done with it. He finds out he has to ship it and move it within 7 days, they work out a deal on how to handle it.
A week goes by, the person responsible for the raffle, again calls Mitch and reminds him he's got to do something with the furniture and Mitch ends up cutting a deal or moves the furniture or gives it up.
What's right at this point, is for SOMEONE with ties to the GWC, to do something for Mitch. Whether it's the person running the raffle, the person that allowed the raffle to be ran at their event, or the people that donated the prize. Mitch can get penalized for not finding out all the details or hunting people down till he got answer in a timely fashion, but it's all nothing but bad press for everyone to leave him out to dry. It's probably what they CAN do, but not what they SHOULD do.
I also find it odd that no one with GWC could come on here to promote their event, but can come on here months later to say they have nothing to do with a guys raffle prize. There is no reason for anyone to not use a free forum that reaches thousands of potential customers that are your target audience, to promote their event. They can control exactly what they want to. Start a thread , put all the information in there, answer any questions they desire to and leave it at that. They don't have to get in flame wars, argue with anyone... Answer the questions honestly and be done with it.
I don't buy this "can't come on here, people are going to knock me, can't win crap" People are going to ask questions, some are going to knock you, most aren't. If you feel someone is just a knocker, ignore them but answer the valid questions from everyone else. It's in your best interest and 90% of the forums are going to be happy with someone they can talk to.
On a side note, Mitch seems like a fine man and I wish that his personal troubles clear themself up, so he has a much better year ahead of him.
In the real world the way it is now -
As soon as Mitch won, he should have hunted down whoever was in charge of this prize and asked 100 questions about it and wrote down who he talked to and what they said. If he found out he had to pay shipping, he could have made a decision as to what he wanted to do then... sell it to someone while he's there and let it be there responsibility, or made some arrangements with whoever was in charge of the prize, but every possible question needs to be asked, even if they had that shipping was paid right there on the raffle.
Point is, you can't trust anyone these days, you can't believe anything, even if it's obvious, you have to ask 100 questions and get someone to give very detailed info, that you can lock them down with.
It appears as if he's screwed out of some furniture, some by his doing and some by everyone else's doing. Doesn't appear anyone is doing anything to "fix" anything, even though it can lead to very bad press.
In a world we wished we lived in -
Mitch wins some furniture, he assumes they ship it, he forgets to ask any questions at the time.
But while he's there at the tourney, someone calls him with the phone number they have for him and asks him what he wants done with it. He finds out he has to ship it and move it within 7 days, they work out a deal on how to handle it.
A week goes by, the person responsible for the raffle, again calls Mitch and reminds him he's got to do something with the furniture and Mitch ends up cutting a deal or moves the furniture or gives it up.
What's right at this point, is for SOMEONE with ties to the GWC, to do something for Mitch. Whether it's the person running the raffle, the person that allowed the raffle to be ran at their event, or the people that donated the prize. Mitch can get penalized for not finding out all the details or hunting people down till he got answer in a timely fashion, but it's all nothing but bad press for everyone to leave him out to dry. It's probably what they CAN do, but not what they SHOULD do.
I also find it odd that no one with GWC could come on here to promote their event, but can come on here months later to say they have nothing to do with a guys raffle prize. There is no reason for anyone to not use a free forum that reaches thousands of potential customers that are your target audience, to promote their event. They can control exactly what they want to. Start a thread , put all the information in there, answer any questions they desire to and leave it at that. They don't have to get in flame wars, argue with anyone... Answer the questions honestly and be done with it.
I don't buy this "can't come on here, people are going to knock me, can't win crap" People are going to ask questions, some are going to knock you, most aren't. If you feel someone is just a knocker, ignore them but answer the valid questions from everyone else. It's in your best interest and 90% of the forums are going to be happy with someone they can talk to.
On a side note, Mitch seems like a fine man and I wish that his personal troubles clear themself up, so he has a much better year ahead of him.
Not sure how your mind works and I don't think anyone can figure that out. Do a search on this site for say - Fatboy and see how many posts he has and compare it to what he has in life. There are plenty of other examples.
Here is a free tip - if you want any other help with the next GWC, I will have to charge you. If things are going bad cut everything first and the prize to the pool players last. That is what you GUARANTEED. That is what you continue to ignore. That is what will help you hold your head high. Paying for that stream and all those 'viewers' (if in fact those numbers were real) - what did that get you?
Nice bleachers, good thought but they were empty like a few of your promises. The subject at hand, the gaffle. You still ignore what happened to the furniture now. Maybe you don't want to say with good reason I am sure. End result of this story is that the GWC collected the money for all the gaffle tickets, Mitch bought a gaffle ticket and won, and the GWC still got to keep the furniture and 'someone' came and picked it up. What did you make happen there?
This is absolutly rediculous. I understand peoples anger but in reality I dont see that the people running the gaffle or the GWC are to blaim. Anytime you do anything involved with sales or tournaments you should already realize the system.
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****This realy means at full field***** Symantics are a ***** but how you say things is exactly what counts. Check the fine print or ask. Even advertising claiming amounts of money to be payed may or may not say that these pay outs are out of a full field.
For Mitch I feal for him but to be honest anytime you do a raffle or any other giveaway you should always be cautious and ask the necessary questions. If they dont directly state that they will do all the shipping etc. Then you know they wont. If they would they would say it to sell more tickets.
I feel like a few of the posters on this thread are trying to get a mob mentality going and the bottom line is that the people we are trying to lyinch are the people trying to gather up greater oppertunittys for pool players.
Just my .02 cents
Alex
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****This realy means at full field***** Symantics are a ***** but how you say things is exactly what counts. Check the fine print or ask. Even advertising claiming amounts of money to be payed may or may not say that these pay outs are out of a full field.
For Mitch I feal for him but to be honest anytime you do a raffle or any other giveaway you should always be cautious and ask the necessary questions. If they dont directly state that they will do all the shipping etc. Then you know they wont. If they would they would say it to sell more tickets.
I feel like a few of the posters on this thread are trying to get a mob mentality going and the bottom line is that the people we are trying to lyinch are the people trying to gather up greater oppertunittys for pool players.
Just my .02 cents
Alex