Money lost but unethical Cuemaker found
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Sounds like he's been difficult to work with all along. Seems as though he thinks he entitled to do so as well. Do yourself a favor and contact Josey cues and you'll get the cue you want at an honest price and you'll cherish it forever
If you take the time to research a cue-maker before you give him your money,
the outcome will be drastically different and worry free......just make sure you
work with cue-makers with integrity........Bob Owen and Jerry Rauenzahn both
told me prior to doing any business I could call any of their customers from the
past or recently and ask how pleased they were with the outcome.
Each cue-maker bends over backwards to work with you......I've done 4 customs
so far and were it not for the CA ivory ban, rest assured Bob would still be making
me cues and I would have ordered the last cue made by Jerry Raunezahn prior to
his imminently pending retirement from cue-making,
Both cue-makers were always available, called me with any questions & provided
updates and progress photos and met their deadlines every time.....in fact, this last
time, both guys had to complete my cues ahead of forecast because while my cues
were underway, CA enacted an ivory ban that took effect before my cues were due
to be completed. So Bob and Jerry worked extra hard to get my cues finished before
the ban took effect.......and both cues used ornate designs and the cue by Bob, well,
it's loaded with inlay work flawlessly executed.
I am writing not to boast or brag about what's in my case. My intention is to write to
anyone out there thinking that getting a custom cue is a frustrating experience in waiting.
Not true...no way whatsoever when you deal with cue-makers like I've dealt with. If you
can afford to order a custom cue, then locate a reliable cue-maker like Bob & Jerry.
Matt B.
p.s. Take a gander at my last two cues' both completely problem free & flawlessly too.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=436475
Wayne, when you make an order it's important to know what you're doing before you commit to something and pay a deposit. You have a responsibility as a customer to respect the busy cue maker's time because time is his product. He didn't change anything, you did and he spent his time working for you.
My rule of thumb is it's better for resale to have a fancier cue, especially if the cue maker becomes a big name. Adding $800 in inlays and rings to the cost might double or triple the value of the cue on resale.
Eddie did or will do the right thing. The right thing for you to do is apologize to him for your behavior here and in your transaction.
And it might be a blessing in disguise this thing imploded.
Oversized full-splice blank and it's going to Asia when it's done in a year?
And he's asking after 90 days how it is already ?
I just think it's funny that the person who started a thread so they could point the finger and place blame on someone is now upset because people read his thread, pointed fingers and placed blame.
I know both Eddie and Martin. Have purchased 2 Davis blanks from Martin and have had 3 cues made by Eddie. All transactions were as smooth as silk and I wouldn't hesitate with another one.
By the way... I know exactly where both are located. They are not 2 hours away from each other unless there's an accident on the freeway. However, a 2 hour round trip isn't just possible... it's probable (especially during rush hour). The 20 minute drive (one way) is doable, but not until later at night.
I know both Eddie and Martin. Have purchased 2 Davis blanks from Martin and have had 3 cues made by Eddie. All transactions were as smooth as silk and I wouldn't hesitate with another one.
By the way... I know exactly where both are located. They are not 2 hours away from each other unless there's an accident on the freeway. However, a 2 hour round trip isn't just possible... it's probable (especially during rush hour). The 20 minute drive (one way) is doable, but not until later at night.
OUTSTANDING ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot give you enough greenies for this one, I wish all people understood this.
Communication must be accurate and very explicit. I do not see anywhere in your screenshots that says Pete requires an email from Cohen, it just says "mail". To me thats 2 different things. You could have also sent a link for his email and maybe even typed a letter you would like Pete to sign and email. You have got to make it easy for the cue maker when asking for B.S. type chores.
As far as the way Cohens cues hit that is so very subjective that nobody in the world can describe that, you have got to be insane to expect an answer on that one. People will even describe the same cue differently.
1) who cares if you offered to buy his materials? Can you give back his wasted time as well?
2) I suppose if you've never been to southern California, you wouldn't understand, but a 20 minute drive can quickly turn into a 1 hour drive given the time of day, weather, or just plain bad luck. Also, 20 minutes there and 20 minutes back is just travel time. I highly doubt he went there and went back and spent exactly 0 minutes at the other shop. Even if he did outright lie about the time as opposed to slightly overstating, that still doesn't bind him in any way as the deposit isn't directly connected to that.
3) No, the point is that you keep badmouthing him after he has been more than helpful to you. You are lucky he didn't charge you a holding fee for your blanks.
Yeah. Notice how neither screen shot used the word email. This is not tough. "Could you please send Cohen an email stating that you agree to have the blank sent to him.?"
"drop him a mail" - what does that even mean? And how can someone confirm something that hasn't happened yet? As he asks in his second screenshot.
Maybe Cohen wants the email so he has the guy's email address so he can warn him about his new customer?
I understand that everyone describes it differently and there's also nothing wrong with him not wanting to reply it.
But the matter here is the he's saying that i did not ask him anything when in fact i did. Obviously he is trying to discredit me saying that i created excuses as to why i don't want to continue working with him. Additionally, as you can tell it is B.S types chores what intention do you think cohen had. Other than to waste time for Pete and myself.
If a person that is been there has told me i don't see why i shouldn't trust him. He directly used the 2 hours as time spent there to justify why he should have the deposit. Which i actually believed him. Until told otherwise, if you don't think that lying to someone so blatantly is inherently wrong then it's fine i guess.
Here is the issue which you still fail to grasp.
He promised to mail it after receiving a mail from Pete, i tried telling Pete already and to no avail, and he threatened to forfeit everything including the blank. I am in no way trying to hustle or blackmail Eddie by sending him the email that Pete sent me. All i want to do is increase the process. Though he claims i've been wasting his time, if he has sent it out 7 days ago none of this will happen.
Important please read this Mr Masayoshi.
Well if Cohen wants to email him, i'm sure that he can google Pete Omen on google and find his email.
Don't get what you're saying regarding the emails.
Seems pretty accurate........
Seems pretty accurate that he's extending his own "wastage" of time by choosing to demand a mail by Pete instead of just mailing it out and being done with it. How contradictory.
So your argument is that you aren't talking about right and wrong - but it is HIS fault. Everything about this is right and wrong and it seems the overwhelming sentiment is that you are the one in the wrong here. And it isn't that people do not understand your point it is that they disagree.
Once you started changing the deal you no longer get to rely on your initial conversation. I'm sure the guy never agreed to get dragged from pillar to post because you didn't know what you wanted. You basically reneged on the deal twice, once on the initial specs and then again later, agreeing to the revised quote for the revised specs and then backing out.
And when it comes down to it, your only answer is really "yeah but he didn't do things exactly as I wanted him to even though I never held up my end of the bargain twice". The reality is that it is a situation entirely of your own creating and he really owes you nothing. Except your blank back after you pay for it to be shipped back. That he is willing to do anything beyond that should be a reason for you to be grateful, not for you to go and try to (unsuccessfully, IMO) trash him on a public website.
My guess is that if, at this point, a poll were taken here you'd get about 20% and Cohen would get about 80%. And I'm guessing that there are cuemakers out there who are noting your name from your screen shots and putting you on their "Do not build" list.
Look at the date and time it was edited. He added it much later than when most of us read it.
It is noteworthy that he thinks going back to his original post and rewriting it to address issues people raised is the appropriate way to deal with this. Did he think that everyone who had participated in the thread rereads it from the first message every time? Of course not. From the start he has been playing games and I'd guess that he was playing games with Cohen.
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Whatever you've just said can be answered with what has been written above in the many pages of this thread.
I'm not going to reread the whole thread to find out how you edited your posts to fit later evolutions of your story. Doing that to your first post was intellectually dishonest.
And frankly if you are in Singapore, as someone said, then you are about 8000 miles off on the location of the ethics problem.
message to the OP: you're going to need to get a new username and new email before you try to get serious business from any cuemaker that has read this post...